mb194dcCan get them in the UK for £799 as I type including 20% UK VAT. Can't really imagine anyone really being excited though, you're getting 4080 performance for a similar price to what the 4080 was going for over the last year anyway.

Interesting also plenty of 4070TI left around in stock, also for the same price as 5070TI, make it make sense ?

It's another case of Nvidia deliberately launching with very little stock, to support prices at these nosebleed levels a bit longer...

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Stock levels were lower than the 5080 (source: Mooore's law is dead). Sure, when you sell three cards in a store and people have been waiting to upgrade since COVID, they will sell fast.

What an achievement...

They didn't sell out. There are simply no other cards :banghead:. Nvidia deliberately and consciously ended production of RTX 4080, 4090 many months ago.
In addition, the premiere of the RTX 5000 was paper launch, there are simply no 5090 and RTX 5080 cards. So the cards are selling because there are no others, because Nvidia doesnt produce them. It could just as well launch them in 2-3 months.
Is this the of hype and BTC mining for graphics card right now ? And on top of that, problems with deliveries and production for objective reasons such as the pandemic? No? So where are the cards?

Additionally, Nvidia's MSRP prices are false and the actual prices are higher. The RTX 5080 from AIB costs the same or more than the 4080. Nvidia's MSRP for the 5090 was $400 higher, but those cards are gone, and AIB's prices were also higher. In reality, we have fake FPS, fake prices, fake availability of cards.

TPUniqueMan, I had prepared everything for the launch, ready to refresh the websites of various retailers and put an MSRP card in my cart. Payment was prepared as well. But not even that helped... in less than a minute, everything was gone ‍♂️

Not going to buy an overpriced, non-MSRP card. Not going to buy a 9070 which was supposed to have been released back in January, either.

Eh, perhaps I'll scour eBay for a 4060 Ti 16Gb at decent price, to use as a stop gap until the next nVidia/AMD generations on smaller nodes ‍♂️

So you are going to wait and see how much time it will pass until you convince yourself to buy an overpriced 5070Ti. :p
Good plan.

9070 getting delayed, is NOT a reason to remove it from your options, except if you are trying to make up reasons to remove AMD from your options. In that case AMD was never an option and Nvidia will take your money one way or another. 9070 coning at inflated prices, that's a reason to not buy it. Getting delayed, is not.

In any case if you don't have a card, if you are in the category of those selling their mid-hi end cards 3-6 months before the new cards arrive, staying for those months with the iGPU, hoping to buy a new one at MSRP, why go for a second hand 4060 Ti and not buy a new Intel B580? I expect finding a good price on a second hand 4060 Ti will start becoming difficult now that everyone knows that GPU prices will go again up. Only the sub $300 market will still have value for some time, thanks to Intel.

N/AThe AI bubble will burst. It's doing it right now. There was supposed to be a Blackwell ultimate chip this year. Now wafers are transitioning to 5000 series.

Blackwell is problematic, that's why Nvidia is rushing the release of it's next architecture.
AI bubble isn't going to burst any time soon. Big corporations and big countries are throwing money on it and they will keep doing so for the next year or even years. By the time the decide to lower their expenditures, AI in everything, apps games, you name it, might be the next cool thing, with consumers rushing to buy AI PCs and AI smartphones.




P.S.
Prices in Greece. It's the most known retailer here for PC stuff and usually more expensive that others. If they are selling at 1249 minimum, I guess in Greece the cheaper 5070 Ti is over 1000 Euros.

Meh, had a 6600XT, and had AMD for the past 10 years [Decade} they had their chance to show their cards but too slow once again... Bought the 5070TI. AMD had more enough time to reveale price and performance since Jan [When they had cards it stock at retailers} you know F Nvidia and AMD because not going to wait for GPU prices to get even worse!

Probably should have waited but everytime I get burned by AMD somehow.

john_So you are going to wait and see how much time it will pass until you convince yourself to buy an overpriced 5070Ti. :p
Good plan.

9070 getting delayed, is NOT a reason to remove it from your options, except if you are trying to make up reasons to remove AMD from your options. In that case AMD was never an option and Nvidia will take your money one way or another. 9070 coning at inflated prices, that's a reason to not buy it. Getting delayed, is not.

In any case if you don't have a card, if you are in the category of those selling their mid-hi end cards 3-6 months before the new cards arrive, staying for those months with the iGPU, hoping to buy a new one at MSRP, why go for a second hand 4060 Ti and not buy a new Intel B580? I expect finding a good price on a second hand 4060 Ti will start becoming difficult now that everyone knows that GPU prices will go again up. Only the sub $300 market will still have value for some time, thanks to Intel.


Blackwell is problematic, that's why Nvidia is rushing the release of it's next architecture.
AI bubble isn't going to burst any time soon. Big corporations and big countries are throwing money on it and they will keep doing so for the next year or even years. By the time the decide to lower their expenditures, AI in everything, apps games, you name it, might be the next cool thing, with consumers rushing to buy AI PCs and AI smartphones.




P.S.
Prices in Greece. It's the most known retailer here for PC stuff and usually more expensive that others. If they are selling at 1249 minimum, I guess in Greece the cheaper 5070 Ti is over 1000 Euros.

AMD has been problematic as well with the 5700 and 470 cards.... I actually had the 470 and all was fixed within 3 Months. Just drivers not hardware same with this. When they figure out the hardware vs software it will hopefully become much better and reliable.

Just check what crap AMD had with the 7900's at start, but theyt fixed it with drivers. Surely Nvidia can do the same?

QuicksMeh, had a 6600XT, and had AMD for the past 10 years [Decade} they had their chance to show their cards but too slow once again... Bought the 5070TI. AMD had more enough time to reveale price and performance since Jan [When they had cards it stock at retailers} you know F Nvidia and AMD because not going to wait for GPU prices to get even worse!

Probably should have waited but everytime I get burned by AMD somehow.

They are at the mercy of Nvidia, so they try to play it safe or something. Don't know. If we had all the info AMD has, we might be more understanding of what they are doing. In the end, performance, availability and price of the 9070 series will decide if AMD waiting was a good thing for them and.... not so bad for us. Seeing Nvidia faking MSRP I don't blame them performing all this act. But they need to keep their feet on the ground. We know that AMD waiting and Nvidia faking MSRPs means that 9070 will come at a higher price. I just hope it wouldn't be much higher than what was expected. I mean a $549, $649 MSRP and latter prices going down slowly to what would have been the original 9070 MSRP, if 9070 was released in January, wouldn't be that bad. Unfortunately it will be a good excuse for Nvidia trolls and fans to try to make AMD look like the worst of the two, a way to make Nvidia with it's FAKE MSRPs and it's lies looking like the good guy.
Anyway, we must keep in mind that we don't need AMD to only do one favorable release, we need them to be here for years. Offering us 9070s for $449 and $499 for example, only to see people not buying, or Nvidia responding with flooding the market with a 5060 Ti at $499 and everyone buying that card, even if it is half as fast as the plain 9070 (a repeat of 3050 vs 6600 current situation), would harm Nvidia a little, but will kill the Radeon group. And a dead Radeon Group is not a good thing. Waiting for years for Intel to become competitive, is not a logical wish.

QuicksAMD has been problematic as well with the 5700 and 470 cards.... I actually had the 470 and all was fixed within 3 Months. Just drivers not hardware same with this. When they figure out the hardware vs software it will hopefully become much better and reliable.

Just check what crap AMD had with the 7900's at start, but theyt fixed it with drivers. Surely Nvidia can do the same?

I am not talking about one or two gaming cards, I talk about the architecture of Blackwell. A hardware problem, not something fixable with drivers. Nvidia themselves said they found a problem and fixed that, but I wonder if they did, especially seeing those driver problems with 5000 series cards.

john_They are at the mercy of Nvidia, so they try to play it safe or something. Don't know. If we had all the info AMD has, we might be more understanding of what they are doing. In the end, performance, availability and price of the 9070 series will decide if AMD waiting was a good thing for them and.... not so bad for us. Seeing Nvidia faking MSRP I don't blame them performing all this act. But they need to keep their feet on the ground. We know that AMD waiting and Nvidia faking MSRPs means that 9070 will come at a higher price. I just hope it wouldn't be much higher than what was expected. I mean a $549, $649 MSRP and latter prices going down slowly to what would have been the original 9070 MSRP, if 9070 was released in January, wouldn't be that bad. Unfortunately it will be a good excuse for Nvidia trolls and fans to try to make AMD look like the worst of the two, a way to make Nvidia with it's FAKE MSRPs and it's lies looking like the good guy.
Anyway, we must keep in mind that we don't need AMD to only do one favorable release, we need them to be here for years. Offering us 9070s for $449 and $499 for example, only to see people not buying, or Nvidia responding with flooding the market with a 5060 Ti at $499 and everyone buying that card, even if it is half as fast as the plain 9070 (a repeat of 3050 vs 6600 current situation), would harm Nvidia a little, but will kill the Radeon group. And a dead Radeon Group is not a good thing. Waiting for years for Intel to become competitive, is not a logical wish.


I am not talking about one or two gaming cards, I talk about the architecture of Blackwell. A hardware problem, not something fixable with drivers. Nvidia themselves said they found a problem and fixed that, but I wonder if they did, especially seeing those driver problems with 5000 series cards.

Maybe I made another mistake, but AMD just lost a sale because of theirs. tit for tat and we customers always lose.

QuicksMaybe I made another mistake, but AMD just lost a sale because of theirs. tit for tat and we customers always lose.

AMD losing a sale, means Nvidia wins a sale.

So FAKE MSRPs and lies are the best marketing today.

Maybe AMD should do the same in the future.

john_AMD losing a sale, means Nvidia wins a sale.

So FAKE MSRPs and lies are the best marketing today.

Maybe AMD should do the same in the future.

Maybe, maybe not AMD prices was < 600$ for 9070XT and the prices has become 750$+ latelly???

Meh, not going to hold my breath on hope and promises from AMD... They like to oversell their performance in the past.

QuicksMaybe, maybe not AMD prices was < 600$ for 9070XT and the prices has become 750$+ latelly???

Meh, not going to hold my breath on hope and promises from AMD... They like to oversell their performance in the past.

We don't know the actual MSRP for those two. All the leaks have been all over the place and the price release could also be a place holder or could be an aftermarket up charge.

All we can do is see and judge then.

So it seems the board partners were right in pricing the cards so high.

QuicksMaybe, maybe not AMD prices was < 600$ for 9070XT and the prices has become 750$+ latelly???

Meh, not going to hold my breath on hope and promises from AMD... They like to oversell their performance in the past.

The pricing rumors have been from $550 for the 9070XT all the way up to $800, who knows what pricing will be but I'm not very confident they will undercut Nvidia by much, maybe they'll sell if the cards can just be in stock, then again people are still buying the 5070Ti for $1000+.
But I don't get the logic of AMD didn't make a card when you wanted them to so you'd rather hand the leather jacket man $1000 for a midrange card.

TPUniqueBut I'm simply loathe to validate incompetence. Nvidia has been, and is currently doing a lot of crooked shit - but this year, in my view, the Azor's Boys are by far the worst.

Wtf?

QuicksMaybe, maybe not AMD prices was < 600$ for 9070XT and the prices has become 750$+ latelly???

Meh, not going to hold my breath on hope and promises from AMD... They like to oversell their performance in the past.

Those prices at $500 plus or minus some dollars, where rumors. We don't know if they where true.
If they were true, we don't know if AMD had any reasonable profit margin from these prices. Maybe AMD heard that Nvidia will release the 5070 at $549 and thought that 9070 XT could sell only if priced at $500. It doesn't mean that $500 was a price that was making sense for AMD's board of directors. Maybe at that price most high ranked officials at AMD where thinking "why waste wafers for such products?". Seeing Nvidia bluffing with FAKE MSRPs and zero availability, it does offer AMD the option to price it's cards higher. Hope they don't choose prices that will make people put them in the same category of greediness with Nvidia. If the rumored price for the non XT 9070 was around $500, that card shouldn't go over $550. AMD could use Nvidia's FAKE price and market it like this, for example: "We give you real cards at real MSRPs".
XT can be priced at $650 if the performance is right. But at least one of the cards should remain rechable from day 1. If they fail with 9070, people will punish them by not buying 9060s and 9050s if such models become available in the future, meaning the whole 9000 series will fail.

Calling it here, performance the same as 9700XT and price of $700

TheGeekn°72I don't really get why you'd refuse yourself a 9070 just because it's late (if anything, it's a good thing, hopefully they avoided some of their usual mistakes on the software side of things...), you haven't seen any actual prices or performance benches yet

9070 is a turd.

Dahitasource: Mooore's law is dead

Please, please don’t think he knows anything about anything.

Nvidia has already proved with the 5080 and 5090 how easy it is to sell out if you only sell a highly limited number of products to a handful of idiots willing to camp in front of a Microcenter days before launch.

"Selling out" a whopping 10 graphics cards is hardly news.

Sad.....

MelvisSad.....

At least some reviewers aren't afraid to call it out for what it is.

john_9070 coning at inflated prices, that's a reason to not buy it. Getting delayed, is not.

Finally someone saying it, it would have helped Nvidia a hell of a lot more to delay their own launch to proof test RTX50 than releasing a dumpster fire to use paying customers as beta testers, handing out borked PCIe5 implementation and melting connectors on an almost proprietary design (I know it's not but they were the leader in the design/R&D behind it) just because releasing on time is more important than releasing a good product is straight up disgusting

QuicksAMD has been problematic as well with the 5700 and 470 cards.... I actually had the 470 and all was fixed within 3 Months. Just drivers not hardware same with this. When they figure out the hardware vs software it will hopefully become much better and reliable.

Are you really presuming experience with a to-be-released card from your experience with a card that's already over a decade old ?

Visible Noise9070 is a turd.

How do you know ? Do you have benchmarks ? Did you have a hands on session with it ?

TheGeekn°72How do you know ? Do you have benchmarks ? Did you have a hands on session with it ?

I have a brain that hasn’t fallen for the usual AMD hype train.

And I can read:


Let’s everyone welcome AMD to 2022 mid GPUs.

Visible NoiseI have a brain that hasn’t fallen for the usual AMD hype train.
And I can read
Let’s everyone welcome AMD to 2022 mid GPUs.

wow, so you're really gonna base off your expectations for the 70XT on that one slide hastily thrown together 15mn before cancelling the CES Radeon presentation and resume it to "it's a turd" instead of taking the 359846 leaks that came through basically every couple day and put your critical thinking skills at work to guesstimate an actual expectation of what it will be ?

TheGeekn°72wow, so you're really gonna base off your expectations for the 70XT on that one slide hastily thrown together 15mn before cancelling the CES Radeon presentation and resume it to "it's a turd" instead of taking the 359846 leaks that came through basically every couple day and put your critical thinking skills at work to guesstimate an actual expectation of what it will be ?

Yes. Do you need the links to all the interviews where they have been saying the same thing for the last five months, or can you google them yourself?

MelvisSad.....

Yep. Steve was credible at one time. Now he’s just a sad parody of himself, having succumbed to the clickbait money. Unwatchable.

Visible NoiseI have a brain

o_O

Visible Noisethat hasn’t fallen

:roll:

Visible NoiseLet’s everyone welcome AMD to 2022 mid GPUs.

If the 9070 XT is a mid-2022 GPU, then so is the 5070 Ti and everything below.