although i really hate apple i fail to see why it's apple fault?
they ware morons the first time they bought it then they cry because the price fall and now after they know that what they did was the least against the terms and condition they cry because they ware to stupid to understand that this is cracking they crack their iphone and update it

all those things prove that most of the apple fans and users are stupid

They took out a contract with a service provider NOT with CRapple; the phone belongs to the buyer and if they mod it so be it. If new firmware is forced onto the device without their consent then bricks it I don't see how that's the users fault.

at the end of the day they bought the phone under the agreement of it being locked top a specific network, if i buy a ps3 and try to hack it to play xbox games and it breaks it i then cant go to sony and say i am suing you because i tried to modify my device and now it doesn't work. the moral of the story is do not rush our to be the first wait till the specifications satisfy your needs.

jocksteelukat the end of the day they bought the phone under the agreement of it being locked top a specific network, if i buy a ps3 and try to hack it to play xbox games and it breaks it i then cant go to sony and say i am suing you because i tried to modify my device and now it doesn't work. the moral of the story is do not rush our to be the first wait till the specifications satisfy your needs.

exactly .. smart man there .. but i hate crackle ...

jocksteelukat the end of the day they bought the phone under the agreement of it being locked top a specific network, if i buy a ps3 and try to hack it to play xbox games and it breaks it i then cant go to sony and say i am suing you because i tried to modify my device and now it doesn't work. the moral of the story is do not rush our to be the first wait till the specifications satisfy your needs.

agreed, this is just whiney humans trying to make a dollar for breaking the rules...happens all the time and sadly a lot of the time people get away with it, for example the lady I saw at Wal Mart yesterday deliberately spill some ice cream and they take a huge spill on it in line and then cause a huge fuss, most likely intending to sue...people just annoy me to know end...

Pretty funny how stupid some people are, but this article is saying that there might be a way to backtrack your iPhone (if you want to lie):

9to5mac.com/fix-your-bricked-iPhones-pronto-234563

rhythmeisterThey took out a contract with a service provider NOT with CRapple; the phone belongs to the buyer and if they mod it so be it. If new firmware is forced onto the device without their consent then bricks it I don't see how that's the users fault. FUCK APPLE :slap:

Actually, lots of companies make their phones exclusively with one wireless provider (LG Chocolate with Verizon). If you were to somehow hack the LG Chocolate and change its service to AT&T I'm sure you would run into the same firmware problem and you would be out of luck.

Some stupid people have to conform to having the latest phone before everyone else, but they don't want to pay 200$ to get out of there current wireless contract. In the end they figure out their "master" plan is flawed and they are out 600$, so now they look for someone to blame besides themselves.

Some people are just plain stupid.

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I hope most of you are kidding.. if I buy a product it's mine, not Apple's. I own it, and no terms and conditions are going to stop me from using it the way I want. I bought, it's mine.. it belongs to me.. why do you people not see this?

What if you weren't allowed to work on your car, because it violates the terms and conditions? I'm not talking about warranty.. I'm talking about putting a new radio and the manufacturer decides that you shouldn't be able to drive that car anymore.

apple did warn em. so idk how the people plan on winning the suit.

Well, I agree that it's insane to lock a phone to one company, but Apple pretty much had the right to do so. That would be giving somoene money to go buy a gallon of milk and returning with a beer instead.

hatWell, I agree that it's insane to lock a phone to one company, but Apple pretty much had the right to do so. That would be giving somoene money to go buy a gallon of milk and returning with a beer instead.

lol :laugh:

at&t has been pressuring apple to reduce the amount of unlocked iphones for ages.
at&t's been trying to file suits against people that unlock their iphones, etc. but they cant succedd cause the phone belongs to apple. but apple is in a contract with at&t to keep the service with at&t only.

ChaoticBlanknessI hope most of you are kidding.. if I buy a product it's mine, not Apple's. I own it, and no terms and conditions are going to stop me from using it the way I want. I bought, it's mine.. it belongs to me.. why do you people not see this?

What if you weren't allowed to work on your car, because it violates the terms and conditions? I'm not talking about warranty.. I'm talking about putting a new radio and the manufacturer decides that you shouldn't be able to drive that car anymore.

Not always...

I wanted to sell a phone that was under contract from O2. Legally I couldn't as I hadn't finished the full 12 months, of which the phone was still been paid off.
Not untill then had I paid for it fully and is now mine todo as I please.

Speaking of which, any UK users may like to know ther the iPhone is coming to the UK on the O2 network.

Of course you could've sold that phone, YOU own it not the network provider-you merely agree to their contract stating that you will pay £x/ month!
I recently extended my Orange contract and got a W850i off them (when it was released at the start of the year) which I promptly sold on fleabay (I even told them I was going to sell it as soon as it arrived) as I liked my w810i better, but they didn't want to give me a lesser phone and better monthy rates :D

RavenasActually, lots of companies make their phones exclusively with one wireless provider (LG Chocolate with Verizon). If you were to somehow hack the LG Chocolate and change its service to AT&T I'm sure you would run into the same firmware problem and you would be out of luck.

Some stupid people have to conform to having the latest phone before everyone else, but they don't want to pay 200$ to get out of there current wireless contract. In the end they figure out their "master" plan is flawed and they are out 600$, so now they look for someone to blame besides themselves.

Some people are just plain stupid.

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I'll say it again, the phone is NOT crapple's property, they merely manufactured it. Yes people are stupid but what is MORE stupid is locking them down to certain networks so that they are not suitable for all interested parties :shadedshu That's capitalism for ya tho, the almighty dollar ain't it? :banghead:

ChaoticBlanknessI hope most of you are kidding.. if I buy a product it's mine, not Apple's. I own it, and no terms and conditions are going to stop me from using it the way I want. I bought, it's mine.. it belongs to me.. why do you people not see this?

What if you weren't allowed to work on your car, because it violates the terms and conditions? I'm not talking about warranty.. I'm talking about putting a new radio and the manufacturer decides that you shouldn't be able to drive that car anymore.

Your metaphor is way off, it's more like if you we're driving YOUR car (which you purchased from Apple) on ANOTHER PERSON'S property (Verizon Wireless's Network), knowing when you bought the car you couldn't drive it on their property.

I mean you shouldn't drive on other peoples property without their permission anyway, it's just common logic.

RavenasYour metaphor is way off, it's more like if you we're driving YOUR car (which you purchased from Apple) on ANOTHER PERSON'S property (Verizon Wireless's Network), knowing when you bought the car you couldn't drive it on their property.

I mean you shouldn't drive on other peoples property without their permission anyway, it's just common logic.

If you pay to use this other network they won't care what device you access it with :D

You violated the TOU that you agreed to when you bought the iPhone, so you have no case. Sorry, you shouldn't have unlocked the phone.

rhythmeisterIf you pay to use this other network they won't care what device you access it with :D

Either way, you violated the terms of the contract that YOU signed before buying. Like newtekie1 says, there is absolutely no arguement.

The laws so far have allowed AT&T and Apple to do this. Therefore, there are no grounds for legal action.

The contract is between the network provider and yourself, the iPhone is merely the carrot dangled in front of you to get your signature in this case...it is STILL your property to do with as you wish

can someone check the terms of service? i bet there's something fun in there that says you own the phone, they own the software.

rhythmeisterThe contract is between the network provider and yourself, the iPhone is merely the carrot dangled in front of you to get your signature in this case...it is STILL your property to do with as you wish

I don't understand your point? Yes you may do with it what you wish, but that doesn't mean that Apple's firmware won't cut you off. That's the point of this thread.

hatWell, I agree that it's insane to lock a phone to one company, but Apple pretty much had the right to do so. That would be giving somoene money to go buy a gallon of milk and returning with a beer instead.

panchomanapple did warn em. so idk how the people plan on winning the suit.

newtekie1You violated the TOU that you agreed to when you bought the iPhone, so you have no case. Sorry, you shouldn't have unlocked the phone.

I agree w/ all 3 posts here.

RavenasI don't understand your point? Yes you may do with it what you wish, but that doesn't mean that Apple's firmware won't cut you off. That's the point of this thread.

The point of the thread was to keep people upto date with the ultra fashionable iPhone. MY point was that the device in question is merely a selling point to hook people into a contract. The customer OWNS the phone and if crApple force a firmware onto it which bricks it then they should be made to pay for the device as it is paid for IN FULL by the network provider, via customers and probably subsidies, so crApple have no right to do this in my opinion :banghead:

The firmware is a users choice to update, not a auto install. If it was an automatic update that would be one thing but it is the users choice. I see no grounds for a lawsuit however it does suck horribly for the owners who got bricked units.

Gotta get my 2 cents in here. I agree that the phone is the property of the customer. That being said, Apple has a right to protect its investment and if that means developing firmware that disables phones that have been intentionally tampered with, I don't see that as anything but a shrewd business decision. If the people were clever enough (or dumb enough) to hack the phone in the first place, I'm sure they'll find a way to roll back the firmware too. In the end it's up to the hacker if they're going to update the software or not. They started playing hardball when they cracked the phone, but get all whiny when Apple plays back at them. IMO they totally had it coming... you mess with the bull, you get the horns.