Is this company dense? Why don't they sell the P190 without the PSUs? I as well as other's have asked for it that way...:shadedshu

ty weer.

half decent for an antec case. the nzxt tempest that was reviewed yesterday provides a good comparison.

Grings thanks for the perspective.

A bit of extra room at the top leave mod ability and room to work with some of the pesky fan mechs out there considering no removable mobo tray. price and the fact it is one of few to color the whole thing black... not just the outside. I'd recommend this to my budget gamer clients.

curious about airflow at psu. bottom ventilation seems insufficient for a 120-130mm intake

I thought it was a rather stealthy, tidy looking case. I really like the sprayed interior its a nice touch and adds to its stealthiness :P

Very nice. Might have to pick this one up when I get my new P45 motherboard in the summer. For those interested I found a review of this already(pre-production model): www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12726&search=twelve%20hundred There are quite a few improvements going on from what is stated in the review(and other research I've done verifies this). This info should keep the premature naysayers quiet. :toast:

I loved the 900, but it sure did suck for cable management, actually, it didnt have any. This looks a bit more stylish, and I still love the top, just kinda miffed they seemed to have taken away the little tray for putting stuff in, like the 900 has. Love more air. Air Filters too! Hell, the Tempest would have been my next case (or the p182/180 p190 or Cosmos S) but now Im not so sure.

Side Note: Not to mention, the Tri Cool fans on the highest setting arent that loud to begin with. My computer room has great acoustics and on loud I can barely hear the tri cool fans.

I have 4 of the Tri-Cool fans in my Lian-Li. On high they are definitely audible, but not deafening. They are more than bareable for me, and my 8800GTS's fan is still louder when it kicks up to full blast. When they are set to medium they are silent, and still push a very nice amount of air.

I like the black inside, if only all case makers did that. The top does look a bit crap though.

Weer I just don't see the point of giving >200$ for a case that please don't tell me won't be loud. You can't compare the silent P190 with buletrpoof side panels and front door to minimize noise with this mesh case that has 3x120 front intakes and mesh on almost the whole side panel. Also what I meant behind EATX is the actual space that such a case would leave between the motherboard and HDD cage. All EATX cases have plenty of free space between the motherboard and HDDs, making it very easy to install longer cards, cables, even watercooling radiators. With non EATX cases your 8800GTX/3870 X2 card will fit very tight and in some cases you'll need to move the HDD cage (in cases like nine hundred and probably this one). Why give 200$ and be forced to do rearangements just to fit your single video card. That's where this does not make sense. On the other hand all this vertical space is somewhat unusable, you can't fit a watercooling radiator on top because of the ugly big fan, what's to be fitted above the mobo? this space is practically useless. You can buy a Cosmos, or even Cosmos S for $190~250.

The price tag on this case is really offputting. Too expensive and it puts it in the ranks of decent Lian Li, Silverstone and CoolerMaster cases. If it was sub 150 it would be a much better option IMO.

price is too mush. is basically an ugly 900...

We're all entitled to our preferences Mal(may I call you that?). But I think it's only fair that if you're going to lay criticisms on a new product, that at the least they be based more on fact than obvious supposition, however convincing it may seem. Heck I even added a link to a review earlier(few posts up) that addresses most of the other posters concerns and negative speculation(stress on the word here) of what they thought this new case would be.

Heck it only took me about 5 minutes of light searching(www.google.com/products) to find the specs/pricing info on this unit before I even found that review link. So to address those that worry about fitting long cards in the 1200, it is almost 2 inches deeper than the 900(20.2vs18.4).

As for pricing you are definitely right at $209MSRP it would be a bit overpriced. It is a good thing then that most of us(that can do a search worth a darn) don't usually pay MSRP isn't it? That same search mentioned above revealed about a dozen sites are(or will be) selling this at around $160-170.

There are quite a few other points that could be addresed but at the moment I'm on my way out. This case obviously isn't for everyone. However for what it's supposed to be it offers a great deal IMO(although not perfect) and compared to the NineHundred(ignoring size differences) Antec has gone to reasonable lengths to address most of the shortcomings of that previous unit.

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Definitly stick with my coolermaster stacker 832 as there's no comparison

malwareWeer I just don't see the point of giving >200$ for a case that please don't tell me won't be loud. You can't compare the silent P190 with buletrpoof side panels and front door to minimize noise with this mesh case that has 3x120 front intakes and mesh on almost the whole side panel. Also what I meant behind EATX is the actual space that such a case would leave between the motherboard and HDD cage. All EATX cases have plenty of free space between the motherboard and HDDs, making it very easy to install longer cards, cables, even watercooling radiators. With non EATX cases your 8800GTX/3870 X2 card will fit very tight and in some cases you'll need to move the HDD cage (in cases like nine hundred and probably this one). Why give 200$ and be forced to do rearangements just to fit your single video card. That's where this does not make sense. On the other hand all this vertical space is somewhat unusable, you can't fit a watercooling radiator on top because of the ugly big fan, what's to be fitted above the mobo? this space is practically useless. You can buy a Cosmos, or even Cosmos S for $190~250.

While I agree that this Antec case isn't worth it, just because it has all those fans doesn't mean it's loud. My Stacker 830Evo has 7 120mm fans, but they're all low speed, and completely drowned out by gfx card fans.

is it just me or is this not in the news box on the front of the forums?

Love the look of my 900, hate the look of the 1200. I would like to see an upgrade to the 900 with just dust filters for the front two 120mm fans and better cable management. A sliding motherboard tray would be nice too.

ElWapo973We're all entitled to our preferences Mal(may I call you that?). But I think it's only fair that if you're going to lay criticisms on a new product, that at the least they be based more on fact than obvious supposition, however convincing it may seem. Heck I even added a link to a review earlier(few posts up) that addresses most of the other posters concerns and negative speculation(stress on the word here) of what they thought this new case would be.

Heck it only took me about 5 minutes of light searching(www.google.com/products) to find the specs/pricing info on this unit before I even found that review link. So to address those that worry about fitting long cards in the 1200, it is almost 2 inches deeper than the 900(20.2vs18.4).

As for pricing you are definitely right at $209MSRP it would be a bit overpriced. It is a good thing then that most of us(that can do a search worth a darn) don't usually pay MSRP isn't it? That same search mentioned above revealed about a dozen sites are(or will be) selling this at around $160-170.

There are quite a few other points that could be addresed but at the moment I'm on my way out. This case obviously isn't for everyone. However for what it's supposed to be it offers a great deal IMO(although not perfect) and compared to the NineHundred(ignoring size differences) Antec has gone to reasonable lengths to address most of the shortcomings of that previous unit.

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Yes you can call me mal or whatever you want, it's not a problem at all.
I speak from my personal experience with at least five Antec 900 builds ... and I was so pissed, because owners of these systems gave a lot of money for their Antec 900s (here the case costs almost 200$, don't ask why ... monopoly) and they were completely fooled that these cases were top of the pops. :( Now this Twelve Hundred comes just to prove how right I am to be angry, that's all.

malwareYes you can call me mal or whatever you want, it's not a problem at all.
I speak from my personal experience with at least five Antec 900 builds ... and I was so pissed, because owners of these systems gave a lot of money for their Antec 900s (here the case costs almost 200$, don't ask why ... monopoly) and they were completely fooled that these cases were top of the pops. :( Now this Twelve Hundred comes just to prove how right I am to be angry, that's all.

Then fight fair, my friend. Use reason and logic to convince those of the case's cons which, even if not enough to fill them with the same hatred, will make you feel better. Let the feeling of respect for knowing the truth and doing the 'right' thing make you feel better, and not insiting more hate but rather a knowledged, calm, confident, and rational understanding of the situation, which could only lead to the most calculated of actions, yielding the best positive effect possible. And remmeber, nothing in the would is worthy enough for you to be hurt by it, while you having no ability to change it.

WeerThen fight fair, my friend. Use reason and logic to convince those of the case's cons which, even if not enough to fill them with the same hatred, will make you feel better. Let the feeling of respect for knowing the truth and doing the 'right' thing make you feel better, and not insiting more hate but rather a knowledged, calm, confident, and rational understanding of the situation, which could only lead to the most calculated of actions, yielding the best positive effect possible. And remmeber, nothing in the would is worthy enough for you to be hurt by it, while you having no ability to change it.

i have no idea what you just said, but i applaud you for offering rational advice, and sound counsel.

i am so very tired... so tired. *sleeps*

Musselsit also comes with mounting holes for ATX and MATX mobos, drilled by the precision of skilled antec engineers. Each hole is backed by a 3 year warranty, and guaranteed not to stop being a hole at any time.

Lmfao.
Ugh this case though, it looks rough and unfinished...

The top and that blowhole are particularly attrocious, and the front lacks any distinguishing features to make it a nice looking case. The side panels are ok I guess...

Its like an ugly chick, best viewed from rear :D

peoples tastes vary. you should see some of the ugly glaring rigs people have with lights... uggh.

Its a PC, not a freaking epilepsy inducer. why not mod a toaster to blink lights, it makes as much sense...

malwareAbsurd case ... why on earth would you buy such a case? Because it's loud as hell, because it's ugly, or maybe because it's 21 century and this one can't even accommodate EATX mobo (forget about internal space) ...

Loud? Um, the fans on the inside are all TriCool fans. I have an Antec Nine Hundred and it's very quiet. This will be no different as it adds another 120mm fan. On low RPM they are all quiet.

It's also the coolest running case I have ever used that is that quiet, and I had a P180 before this.

Here's a review: www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12726

his comment on loud is not based on the fans, its the chassis. its full of holes, especially at the front - compared to cases like the P150/180/solo, its going to transmit a LOT of noise back at you. For a silent user (like me) this case is horrible.

Musselshis comment on loud is not based on the fans, its the chassis. its full of holes, especially at the front - compared to cases like the P150/180/solo, its going to transmit a LOT of noise back at you. For a silent user (like me) this case is horrible.

Its like my case then lol...
70% mesh, 29% aluminium, 1% plastic :p

ex_revenIts like my case then lol...
70% mesh, 29% aluminium, 1% plastic :p

yeah pretty much. the mesh is ok for lowering case temps, but its nasty if you want a quiet system. I cant leave my P150 alone... also i cant tell when its on. made that mistake a few times, hehe.

Musselspeoples tastes vary. you should see some of the ugly glaring rigs people have with lights... uggh.

Its a PC, not a freaking epilepsy inducer. why not mod a toaster to blink lights, it makes as much sense...

Yeah, some builds can be over the top on color choice and too much light, and stuff going on in their case, but I feel a little bit of personality that comes with adding parts that glow, or light up when they turn on adds...well....zazz to a rig. It's kind of like pimping your ride...it may be a little tacky, but it looks good in the eyes of the beholder.;)

Anyways, the Antec twelve hundred doesn't look like a bad case. It all depends on price for me. If it is less then $110-120 I can live with it, but if it is over $120 even by a penny, I wouldn't even give it a second glance. I can't find it anywhere, anyone know the price in the US?