flashstar10-25%???

It's crazy how nearly everyone is counting ATI out before the fighting has even begun. Again, with 1008 Gflops of power versus 930 Gflops for Nvidia's offering, the R770 should be at least on par with the 280 GTX even assuming that games are optimized for Nvidia.

If only it was that easy to assume that - oh wtf, I will :D

& when it come to past the 4870x2 will pwn earth, heaven, & hell :D

Im starting to save ...

Having two power connectors may just be a formality, to make sure it doesn't overload the first power connector, or the PCIe bus. May not even be necesarry for people on PCIe 2 motherboards, as they'll provide more power.

Ripper3Having two power connectors may just be a formality, to make sure it doesn't overload the first power connector, or the PCIe bus. May not even be necesarry for people on PCIe 2 motherboards, as they'll provide more power.

absolutely ! i think its just to main compatibility with PCI-E 1.1 . On PCI-E 2 , one connector could have done the job as the slot can provide 150W , and the cards TDP is 157W .

Need 2 6 pin connectors for anything over 150w of power. Since the 4870 consumes ~150w, it makes sense to have some leg room for overclocking.

edit: Yeh what he said above me.

wolf2009absolutely ! i think its just to main compatibility with PCI-E 1.1 . On PCI-E 2 , one connector could have done the job as the slot can provide 150W , and the cards TDP is 157W .

there are still many that have motherboards that support the 1.1 spec.

MegastyI think fudzilla goofed up in one way or another. The 4850 should be $229 but on paper should also be faster than the 9800 GTX. Comparing it to the stuff that's already out, the 3850x2 slightly beats the 9800 GTX while the 3870x2 kills it. The 4870 should match or be faster than 3870x2. Everything depends on what nVidia does with the 280 & 260 GTX. It might turn out to be a closer fight then we thought :toast:

I take Fudzilla and The Inquirer with a grain of salt myself.

Just so people know, the 260 and 280 gtx cards will destroy the rv770xt. Itll require the r700 to provide any competition at the top end. The pricing should tell you that. Nvidia arent idiots, if they price the 280 gtx at $500 will ati are looking at sub $300 for the rv770xt, theres clearly a reason.

Whats the point of hyping these cards up beyond what their specs tell you. Theoretically, the rv770xt can only be twice as good as the 3870 (and thats using the really high estimates of shader clocks). Also when has theoretical performance ever translated exactly into actual performance?

I can't wait for the " the drivers arn't mature yet " excuse to appear.

ghost101Just so people know, the 260 and 280 gtx cards will destroy the rv770xt. Itll require the r700 to provide any competition at the top end. The pricing should tell you that. Nvidia arent idiots, if they price the 280 gtx at $500 will ati are looking at sub $300 for the rv770xt, theres clearly a reason.

Whats the point of hyping these cards up beyond what their specs tell you. Theoretically, the rv770xt can only be twice as good as the 3870 (and thats using the really high estimates of shader clocks). Also when has theoretical performance ever translated exactly into actual performance?

so whats the point of you using derogatory statements and hyping the Nvidia parts up then? Also the last time a card was really worth 400 clams was the 9700 Pro AIW back in the day, anything over that price i specified is worthless. Also dont say its worth it because you dont have a 8800 Ultra.

DrPepperI can't wait for the " the drivers arn't mature yet " excuse to appear.

It already has :laugh: But honestly, I love ROPs, TMUs, & shaders as much as the next person but just how well will these stand up to the watered down specs of the 260 & 280, oops I think I just said it :rolleyes:

Sapphire

Waiting to see Sapphire version of this card (with blue color ;))

:laugh: my ROPS is bigger dan yours

It looks like a monster, but I'm sick of dual slot cards. I'd go with dual 4850's unless they release a sigle slot ver.

eidairaman1so whats the point of you using derogatory statements and hyping the Nvidia parts up then? Also the last time a card was really worth 400 clams was the 9700 Pro AIW back in the day, anything over that price i specified is worthless. Also dont say its worth it because you dont have a 8800 Ultra.

Derogatory? Where? Also, someone who goes to university and doesnt have a job is hardly nvidia's intended market with higher end cards.

Secondly, nvidia arent idiots. They will price cards accordingly. Nvidia have a lot more experience and information to price their cards. you saying no card is worth over $400 means nought.

Similarly, ati arent idiots, they will price their cards accordingly. Prices tell you everything. Take for example processors. You want to find the ordering of performance of AMD and Intel CPUs, prices are very accurate. Why prices are an accurate estimator of performance should be obvious.

Just so you know, my last 4 cards have all been ati. The most likely card i am going to buy next year is again going to be ati simply because i like the low power consumption (ati powerplay) and have prices more in my range. But im not going to delude myself about who will have the better cards*.

edit: *better cards in terms of raw performance

The 4870 is a sleek looking card. Red and black always looks good. I think I'll Crossfire a couple of them for my summer build.

Thats more on the spot now, Ya- despite my system being considered a Dinosaur, the only thing that is in it is the 1950 Pro, i know the 3850 is out but im not upgrading to that card because this one still has the capability to play COD4 etc just fine. Btw there is one game that has quite abit of physics in it and that is Project Torque, look at the construction yard.

ghost101Derogatory? Where? Also, someone who goes to university and doesnt have a job is hardly nvidia's intended market with higher end cards.

Secondly, nvidia arent idiots. They will price cards accordingly. Nvidia have a lot more experience and information to price their cards. you saying no card is worth over $400 means nought.

Similarly, ati arent idiots, they will price their cards accordingly. Prices tell you everything. Take for example processors. You want to find the ordering of performance of AMD and Intel CPUs, prices are very accurate. Why prices are an accurate estimator of performance should be obvious.

Just so you know, my last 4 cards have all been ati. The most likely card i am going to buy next year is again going to be ati simply because i like the low power consumption (ati powerplay) and have prices more in my range. But im not going to delude myself about who will have the better cards*.

edit: *better cards in terms of raw performance

The ATi cards in more recent times are just too darn sexy looking!
I didnt appreciate having a male ghost recon dude on my Asus 8800GTX!
I prefered the Sappire x1950xtx twin sisters!

Please note :- ATi is not even on the same playing field as Nvidia. Billions of dollars say so!
I am an ATi fanboy, recently converted over after AMD bought them, but it will be a while longer before AMD/ATi catch up again.

Ill be after 2 of the 4870x2's, but i doubt they will compare with 3way SLi 280's with some genius's C+ written CUDA script specific for a certain game.

why bother with 3way SLI when the 9800GX2s in 3way cant muster but 7 FPS in crysis. That does sound more like Poor Coding on the Creators part as other games both companies cards play right.

They do look good. If only they could release a black PCB version. I highly doubt we'll see an AGP 4850, but it'd be sod's law if we did. I've just had a 3850 as a b'day present.

Just found this (google translated):

[First Look] AMD / ATI RV770 Versus NVIDIA G92 advantage - even in hot pursuit after the high-end R700

Since the double-A after the merger, the display card product speed has exceeded rival NVIDIA, related technical specifications is also part of a new generation of ATI Radeon HD 4800 series has been ready and are expected to be part of this year COMPUTEX manufacturers Live Demo, the other hand, NVIDIA camp , The latest of them related products published by the change from G92 chip, leading to the recent release of the GeForce 9800GX2, GTX performance does not substantially exceed the previous generation at the same level, the outside world generally look to the upcoming NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 (Core: 575MHz,, Memory: 1000MHz, 3dmark vantage P11000 +), 260 before the snow can be a shame. Control the area of motherboards, NVIDIA product release date repeatedly postponed, even Hyper Power technology in the related third-party motherboard products still exist some problems, and ATI's Hyper Crossfire technology has been extended to the consumer market, so private firms in this period that NVIDA Into a苦战.

AMD Radeon HD 4800 series in the upcoming occasion, announced RV770 comparison with the G92 under the specifications of advantages, including carrying GDDR5 memory, DirectX 10.1, 55-nanometer GPU, PCI-E2.0, UVD2 technology, PowerPlayer energy saving energy , Integrated HDMI video output, it is undeniable that, Radeon HD 4800 series of hardware features of the leading NVIDIA G92, regardless of costs such as AMD took the lead in the Radeon HD 4870 allocation of Qimonda GDDR5 memory, support more rapid frequency, low consumption , And other advantages, but, after all, just a technical announcement significance than actual sales help, on the other hand, it also highlights the NVIDIA card technology for the forward-looking than AMD, to a certain extent there will be some marketing help, Furthermore UVD2 The VC-1, MPEG-2, H.264 high-definition video decoding rate has exceeded NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology.

However, some features are not immediately present advantages, such as the use of DirectX 10.1 technology, technical support for the current game Shaodikelian, NVIDIA for PC GAME has been holding important part of the initiative, the latest assassins creed the game because of pressure by NVIDIA , Will be released updates to the original DirectX 10.1 effects DirectX 10, in other words, technical support DirectX 10.1 is still greater than the actual significance of technology announced sales help, but contribute to AMD's marketing strategy practices.

As NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280,260 has not yet officially released, AMD estimates in the third quarter of the targeted products were not competitive, these two products included in the relevant third party said, Radeon HD 4800 series of no less than the opponent At the same level products, from the list can still see the Radeon HD 4870 listing makes NVIDIA GeForce9800GX2 not faced pressure on the prices, the official associated Radeon HD 4850 sales, also for the current other GeForce9800 sales prices need to take follow-up strategies, such For consumers, the situation is a multi-Dali.

AMD also notice Radeon HD 4800 series was published, is expected to be introduced as the single Radeon HD 3870X2 cards dual-core products, product, code-named R700, the relevant third party said that at present, although provisional, respectively Radeon HD 4870X2, 4850X2, the total memory capacity of 1GB, but there are also only introduced Radeon HD 4850X2, in any case, it appears that the second half of 2008, ATI and NVIDIA's GPU battle will be intense.

Radeon HD 4800 Series Specifications


Source: www.tomshardware.tw

$100 more for the XT is a bit much. Especially if its only 30% better.

Originally found in a Portuguese forum

Dated 30th of May:

Exclusive - Taipei (Taiwan) - AMD’s graphics team has put the finishing touches at its new GPU generation and actually has begun shipping the new 4850 card to OEM partners and retailers: The new Radeon series will sell for prices between $199 and $499.

According to information we came across in Taiwan, AMD/ATI is gunning for a sizeable launch of the new product generation, with Radeon 4850 512 MB boards leading the charge. However, the exact price has not been set yet, even if it is certain that the GDDR3 512 MB version (codenamed Makedon) will debut in a range between $179 and $219. If you ask us, we believe that the board be priced exactly at $199 (US, CAN) as well as 199 Euro.

We were told that AMD/ATI will decide on final pricing during the Computex tradeshow (which is scheduled to open on Monday) in order to have all the puzzle pieces for a June 18 in place. It certainly does not look like a paper launch at this time and the June 18 is an as-of-now date, since the company could revise is launch schedule to avoid a launch right on the heels of Nvidia’s new high-end parts.

The good news here is certainly that ATI is aiming for $199, sub-$299 and $499 price targets. However, the release dates of the faster SKUs may be problematic: Nvidia is working on new mainstream chips as well, which will debut in Q3 of this year, our sources indicate.

The Radeon 4870 512 MB is expected to ship in volume sometime this summer. This will be the first graphics card in the market to integrate GDDR5 memory. However, the 4870 X2, will face stiff competition from the GeForce GTX 260: Radeon 4870 X2 cards will sell for $499, while the GeForce GTX 260 is likely to debut at $449.

It is unclear whether ATI’s 480 and 960 shader units will be enough to capture market share in the targeted price ranges. All we know is that the game is on and the winner is yet to be decided. According to ATI partners, Nvidia still has a big advantage in its logistics division, both in sales and PR.

Source: Tom's Hardware

Dated 31st of May:

How we get today via email from a anonym source, so the packaging of the new HD4850 from HIS will look like. How you can see on the packaging, the 4850 contains, what have several times written, 512 MiB memory. In addition the delivery contains, the same the 3800 series, a screw driver.

Source: ATI-Forums.de

Visiting one of the many manufacturers here in stormy Taipei, we just happened to stumble across this little number sitting on the side. A few shots later (why is it the most important ones always have the most blur?) and we decided to ask around as to its story.

Apparently, it's a dummy sample direct from the double-A team, which the companies use to get the basic gist of what they need for artwork and branding, and so that they can start working on their own cooling solutions.

Said company remained exceptionally tight lipped (like a well trained terrier) about the details of the card, and we didn't have time to whip out the screwdriver to see underneath. Check the (overly zoomed) picture right to see that it's the RV770 all right!

So here it is - it could be mistaken for the Radeon HD 3850, except for the larger fan, although nothing much else has changed on the surface. It's still red and single slot with a six-pin PCI-Express power connector. We scrounged for some light to get a side on die shot but it just wasn't happening.











The question that remains is performance and how it's going to shape up to Nvidia's current (and next-generation) products. For that, we'll have to wait and see, but you can discuss AMD's next-gen cards in the forums.

Source: Bit-Tech News

Dated 1st of June:

How we reported some days ago, the new Catalyst 8.6 contains the support of the RV770 and more further models of the new 4000 series. Today we can show with a save source you further models, under all the IDs of the 4400 series:

Source: ATI-Forums.de

OverclockedBooIt looks like a monster, but I'm sick of dual slot cards. I'd go with dual 4850's unless they release a sigle slot ver.

I used to think that way but dual slot coolers are way better. They blow hot air out of the back of the case. Single slot coolers can't do that.

I can see they made some improvements to the HSF on the 4850. The "top" of the card, or the part that faces the side of the case is now open, there is more room for ventilation. They also seem to be using a different fan with more blades. Using a side fan for exhaust would work well with these cards.