Rebo&Zootythe fact that it dosnt work?

check with people in any large torrent sites IRC chanil, if you ask about peerguardian most of the ppl will just laugh at you thinking its saving you from being caught.....

you block their KNOWN addys, but those companys know all about pg2, and guess what, they use proxys allover the world, as well as hiring people to run p2p apps and collect data for them from home......

basickly pg2 is like putting a rubber on thats got holes in it, you may think your protected but really its not doing much other then giving you a faulse sence of security.

So would you simply not bother using it, or say that some protection is better than none?

It's obvious that the big anti-p2p agencies will have proxies and unknown addresses etc.. but if you can block *some* of those addresses (including the *main* ones) is that not better than nothing?

Also, do you not think it makes you a slightly more difficult target. Look at the pirate bay.. 9 MILLION people using it.. no way in hell can you identify every one of those people. Let's say that 10% are using PG2 and other forms of "protection." Wouldn't the anti-p2p people rather pick on the "easier" targets.. i.e. those who download lots of popular stuff and leave it seeding for ages?

Also, do you think private trackers are safer? I think there's a bit of a sense of false security unless they are REALLY under the radar.. obviously things like Oink weren't exactly under the radar enough, lol

y'all ain't posting quick enough, damn it! If we're going to live up to this survey, we need to start hitting 1 post/minute around here.

Pick up the typing pace, people!!

DavidelmoSo would you simply not bother using it, or say that some protection is better than none?

It's obvious that the big anti-p2p agencies will have proxies and unknown addresses etc.. but if you can block *some* of those addresses (including the *main* ones) is that not better than nothing?

Also, do you not think it makes you a slightly more difficult target. Look at the pirate bay.. 9 MILLION people using it.. no way in hell can you identify every one of those people. Let's say that 10% are using PG2 and other forms of "protection." Wouldn't the anti-p2p people rather pick on the "easier" targets.. i.e. those who download lots of popular stuff and leave it seeding for ages?

Also, do you think private trackers are safer? I think there's a bit of a sense of false security unless they are REALLY under the radar.. obviously things like Oink weren't exactly under the radar enough, lol

i just dont download stuff that will get me dinged with a letter to my isp :P

Easy Rhinowell that makes sense since the internet was essentially "built" by selfish/impatient computer geeks who wanted a fast and easy way to get porn. nothing has changed.
the internet :nutkick: you

I always thought the ' Internet ' was invented for military application. Just before the release of the project it was found to be flawed in terms of security due to the actual handshake proceedure and blah blah and could never be repaired and basically the whole concept needed to be rebuilt ground up.

Ads between movies, ads in the mailbox, ads on billboards, ads everywhere and they suck.
Hasnt someone in America sued for too much ads ?

HaytchI always thought the ' Internet ' was invented for military application. Just before the release of the project it was found to be flawed in terms of security due to the actual handshake proceedure and blah blah and could never be repaired and basically the whole concept needed to be rebuilt ground up.

Ads between movies, ads in the mailbox, ads on billboards, ads everywhere and they suck.
Hasnt someone in America sued for too much ads ?

wrong . . .


Al Gore invented teh inturnetz.




:D

HaytchI always thought the ' Internet ' was invented for military application. Just before the release of the project it was found to be flawed in terms of security due to the actual handshake proceedure and blah blah and could never be repaired and basically the whole concept needed to be rebuilt ground up.

Ads between movies, ads in the mailbox, ads on billboards, ads everywhere and they suck.
Hasnt someone in America sued for too much ads ?

I hear that some dick at Nike wants to use the moon as an ad surface..:twitch:..What an a-hole..:wtf:..we've more than enough advertising earthside, with internet and otherwise without mucking up the rest of the solar system.:confused:

pentastar111I hear that some dick at Nike wants to use the moon as an ad surface..:twitch:..What an a-hole..:wtf:..we've more than enough advertising earthside, with internet and otherwise without mucking up the rest of the solar system.:confused:

setup projector satlites to project a giant colored nike swoosh :P

well,that could be funny if somebody hacked it and played prOn on it HAHAHA

Rebo&Zootysetup projector satlites to project a giant colored nike swoosh :P

well,that could be funny if somebody hacked it and played prOn on it HAHAHA

lol:laugh:

Rebo&Zootysetup projector satlites to project a giant colored nike swoosh :P

well,that could be funny if somebody hacked it and played prOn on it HAHAHA

somewhere out there - a 12 year old hacker has just had the most brilliant idea of his short life . . . now if only mummy and daddy would let him borrow one of their DVDs

12yo, i think it was somebody younger then that who cracked dvd's css protected....rofl.....god that would be a riot..........look up at the moon and see somebodys ass moving back and forth :P

well . . . they don't call it a moon for nothing :p

i was waiting for that :D

what would be the best would be if the hacker was able to implment better security then the company that stuck the projectors up there keeping them out and constantly changing the movie to more bizzar stuff.

imagin pairents not letting their kids outside at night OR letting them look out of the car at night because they might see the moon :P

best p0rnjection screen in the world . . . prime target for a goatse sighting :eek:

imperialreignbest p0rnjection screen in the world . . . prime target for a goatse sighting :eek:

haha, dont forget tubgirl, hai2you, 2girls1cup, 2girls1finger, woodpooping.......rofl

Yes, some developers get all wrapped up in the bells and whistles and forget about keeping things simple.

Agreed...like those damn Shockwave pages...not everyone has 2mb/s connect. I just want to buy a motorcyle muffler, not wait 5 minutes.

haha, u want sad, check some sites, i got 5mbit and some take MINUTES to load.....fukin flash/shock sites.......annoing as hell.......

They had to do a survey to figure this out?

JoJoeThey had to do a survey to figure this out?

yep - just like the US government had to go to session last year just to decide that english is the official language of the United States.


Funny how well "important" people can waste money, huh?

DavidelmoSo would you simply not bother using it, or say that some protection is better than none?

It's obvious that the big anti-p2p agencies will have proxies and unknown addresses etc.. but if you can block *some* of those addresses (including the *main* ones) is that not better than nothing?

Also, do you not think it makes you a slightly more difficult target. Look at the pirate bay.. 9 MILLION people using it.. no way in hell can you identify every one of those people. Let's say that 10% are using PG2 and other forms of "protection." Wouldn't the anti-p2p people rather pick on the "easier" targets.. i.e. those who download lots of popular stuff and leave it seeding for ages?

Also, do you think private trackers are safer? I think there's a bit of a sense of false security unless they are REALLY under the radar.. obviously things like Oink weren't exactly under the radar enough, lol

No, using PG2 does you no good whatsoever. It's false sense of security. By the time it blocks a connection, they already have all the info they need. Namely your IP, and what torrent it's associated with. It's a pure waste of your computer's resources.

CyberDruidAgreed...like those damn Shockwave pages...not everyone has 2mb/s connect. I just want to buy a motorcyle muffler, not wait 5 minutes.

Now are they Shockwave or Flash? Most use Flash these days. :p

jonmcc33Now are they Shockwave or Flash? Most use Flash these days. :p

acctualy shockwave was the audio componanat and flash was the visual, and some still refer to shockwave because, well really it still excists as a part of flash.

Rebo&Zootyacctualy shockwave was the audio componanat and flash was the visual, and some still refer to shockwave because, well really it still excists as a part of flash.

lol or in my case I just am too damn iggerant to know the diff...

Wile ENo, using PG2 does you no good whatsoever. It's false sense of security. By the time it blocks a connection, they already have all the info they need. Namely your IP, and what torrent it's associated with. It's a pure waste of your computer's resources.

But surely your IP and the torrent isn't enough alone? Don't they have to prove that you are sharing that file?

I know that in previous cases, the "evidence" has been files which the anti-p2p people have downloaded from the accused persons computer. They may be able to SEE you in the swarm, but if they can't get files from you, they can't prove that you were sharing.

I also don't understand the "false sense of security" argument... it's only a bad thing if you act differently or recklessly because you think you are protected. If you have PG2 running, *and* you act carefully (i.e. sticking away from brand new movies on public trackers etc) I don't see how that isn't giving you a small amount of extra security.

Also, going back to the numbers thing. If you were silly enough to download Iron Man from the pirate bay, you'd see there have been >10,000 downloads. Obviously, anti-p2p people can't chase everyone so do you not think that making things even 5% more difficult, *still* reduces your odds?

And currently PG2 is using 3.2mb of my 4Gb of RAM.. I don't think it's slowing me down too much.

Any thoughts?

DavidelmoBut surely your IP and the torrent isn't enough alone? Don't they have to prove that you are sharing that file?

I know that in previous cases, the "evidence" has been files which the anti-p2p people have downloaded from the accused persons computer. They may be able to SEE you in the swarm, but if they can't get files from you, they can't prove that you were sharing.

I also don't understand the "false sense of security" argument... it's only a bad thing if you act differently or recklessly because you think you are protected. If you have PG2 running, *and* you act carefully (i.e. sticking away from brand new movies on public trackers etc) I don't see how that isn't giving you a small amount of extra security.

Also, going back to the numbers thing. If you were silly enough to download Iron Man from the pirate bay, you'd see there have been >10,000 downloads. Obviously, anti-p2p people can't chase everyone so do you not think that making things even 5% more difficult, *still* reduces your odds?

And currently PG2 is using 3.2mb of my 4Gb of RAM.. I don't think it's slowing me down too much.

Any thoughts?

first off, no they dont gotta proove shit to send ur isp a letter(most isp's take 4 or more letters for you to get in any real trouble with them) and 2nd the kinda proof your taking about is easy to create/fake, its like making a fake irc/chat log showing somebody saying something they never said.

and no 5% wont do shit, because if ur in the US or a country the RIAA has any pull/power in, they will send your isp a letter to get you dinged for illegal downloading, they arent gonna sue you unless ur like that dumb little bit.h that was sharing like 50k songs on her family puter using limewire(or something like that)

as to the risk beling lower because the peer counts high, that is true, BUT your at higher risk if your one of the few in that sworm thats in a country where the riaa has the power to harrass your isp, see they can easly tell what country and even what area of what state your in by your IP addy, as such they can send you isp a letter about your sharing/downloading even if they have zero proof other then your ip addy.

its not the getting sued part your in need to worrie about unless ur some kind of pirat kinpin, but then you wouldnt be in the states so u wouldnt be getting sued, its your isp getting letters and cutting you off if they get to many, PG2 has zero effect on them sending said letters.