Friday, July 11th 2008

R700: Several Product Details Exposed

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btarunr
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The Taiwanese team of Tom's Hardware revealed several confidential (no more) slides pertaining to the AMD R700 product line, exposing details of the product codenamed "Spartan". It's now confirmed that it comes with a total of 2 GB of GDDR5 memory spanning across sixteen 1 Gb chips.

The picture is that of the HD4870 X2 itself in an angle never pictured before:

The first slide shows certain details about the R700 "Spartan", the GPU core speed isn't disclosed yet. Crucial bits: 32Mx32 GDDR5, driver version 8.52 or later, deviceID: 0x9441.
The second one reveals the card's video-related features. It is supportive of DisplayPort, AIBs may choose to add it in their non-reference designs.

Here's the slide which shows it has 2x the performance/watt compared to 'previous generation', R680:

Some more product details, a bit on its anti-aliasing features:

A concise list of features:

And finally, system-requirements. They recommend at least a 650W PSU. A power-user wouldn't take it literally, they are just making sure that even the worst-quality PSU out there with wonderful wattage printed on the stickers could be able to run it. A good quality PSU with anywhere between 35~40A on the +12V should be able to handle a single card with a 95W CPU and two HDDs in place:
Source: Tom's Hardware

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51 Comments on R700: Several Product Details Exposed

#26
alexp999
Staff
wolf2009i'm hoping so too, although i wont have the moeny to buy one, nor the res i play at ,LOL . wat a waste this card will be for my res 1280x1024 except for crysis .
Once I get my new monitor I'll be playing at 1680x1050, with the odd occasion playing 1080p if I take the PC downstairs.

Just noticed, if you get a 4870X2 and once I get my new CPU and cooler, we will have near identical systems! :cool:
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#27
Megasty
dani31the 4870 X2 will be 10.5'' long (considering that Tom's Hardware's picture is the real deal)
The 8800GTX was also 10.5" long, its pretty much a standard length for high-end cards.
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#28
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
panchomanum someone needs to help me out here.. im a little lost... what the hell are the phenoms doing here? is r770 a phenom or something?
Here's what went wrong. This story was published properly. Then I worked on a phenom article in which I chose the same image filenames (1.jpg, 2.jpg.....) as the one on this article. Uploading those Phenom article's images overwrote files on the server. Fixed.
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#29
Jansku07
This looks good: :toast:
Good news! I can confirm that based on my own tests microstuttering is gone on R700!

I've tested with R700 (ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2) and R680 (ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2) in Crysis (1600x1200 and High settings). I used Fraps and enabled Frametimes logging. I recorded 2 seconds from exactly the same point in game (loaded from save game). Based on my recorded data, with ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 frames are rendered after ~21,5 and every other frame after ~49,5 ms. With ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 all framres are rendered after ~ 21,9 ms.
Source: www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3132311&postcount=469. Thats Sampsa from muropaketti, and here's the card he's talking about.

It's not FPS, its ms. Explanation (1s=1000ms):
21.9ms doesn't mean 21.9FPS. It means 1000/21.9 = 46 FPS.

Every odd frame at 20ms and every even frame at 50ms puts the FRAPS framerate at 1000/35 = 28.5FPS; and puts the actual fluidity around 1000/50 = 20 FPS

Every frame at 20ms puts both the FRAPS framerate and the "real" framerate at 1000/20 = 50FPS. Believe it or not, the fluidity of 4870x2 in that certain scene is 2.5 times better than 3870x2
Source: www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3132354&postcount=475 HD4870X2 looks more tastier than ever!
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#30
mdm-adph
Well, damn.

Seeing as how there's already news of Nvidia rushing ahead with g300 GPU plans, I take it there's no dual-g92b-55nm card in the works from Nvidia? That'd be a pretty neat card, but since the g200 is already out, is all dev on the g92 dead?
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#31
Unregistered
Jansku07This looks good: :toast:
Source: www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3132311&postcount=469. Thats Sampsa from muropaketti, and here's the card he's talking about.

It's not FPS, its ms. Explanation (1s=1000ms):
Source: www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3132354&postcount=475 HD4870X2 looks more tastier than ever!
well thats all and good .

but from my personal experience i have never known how it looks like , well then i only played on crossfire for 2 hrs. maybe i needed more time .
#32
yogurt_21
hmm according to the 5th slide ont he bottom it shows a vantage x6920 score.
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#33
alexp999
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yogurt_21hmm according to the 5th slide ont he bottom it shows a vantage x6920 score.
Didnt notice that before. Thanks for pointing it out.

What I dont get, how do they know what the highest score is going to be on that day??

Or is the just a draft, basically showing the partners what is going to go on the retail box. Then when it has actually been done it will be updated with the correct data.
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#34
mandelore
DrPepperTHIS IS SPARTAAA :laugh:
ATI :nutkick: NVIDIA (lol couldnt help it hehe)
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#35
freaksavior
To infinity ... and beyond!
well i highly doubt my da 800 can power 2 of those.
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#36
imperialreign
Looks like ATI has finally decided to go absolutely spartan on nVidia this round . . . oh, yes . . . there will be blood



(puns inteneded)
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#38
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Wow, simply awesome. 500 bucks for this is definitely worth it.
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#39
GPUCafe
GPU Cafe Representative
btarunrYes. So much for GPU Cafe's claim.



I was laughing as I typed that^ (no more) :D
August 12 is the date for the street. The preview is still slated for Monday. :cool:

AMD just did a tit for tat (9800GTX+ launch; preview & then 4 weeks later the product hits retail)
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#40
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Preview doesn't amount for a launch, does it?
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#41
Jansku07
I really hope there isn't microstuttering issues with HD4870X2. It looks promising, but we'll just have to wait and see. btw, does anyone know much it costs for AMD to make HD4870X2s? It would be interesting to know. :twitch:
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#42
steelkane
I wonder sometimes if the guys from 3DFX are working for ATI.
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#43
GPUCafe
GPU Cafe Representative
btarunrPreview doesn't amount for a launch, does it?
I guess that depends on the definition of a launch .. the 9800GTX+ was launched on the 16th of June according to Nvidia.
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#44
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Obviously the definitions differ then, and they are specific to NV and ATI. The HD4850 was launched/released on the same day, though samples were sent out early and NDAs struggled to keep a gag on us.
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#45
MilkyWay
(Nvidia) -- tHIS IS mADNESS !!!!!

(ATi) No this is RADEEEOOON !!!

(ATi) :nutkick: (Nvidia)

yeah i wonder if anyone from 3dfx went to ATi, i knew the merger messed up ATi a little with people not wanting to relocate offices

Didnt 3dFX get bought by Nvidia? so they would have all the engineers
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#46
GPUCafe
GPU Cafe Representative
btarunrObviously the definitions differ then, and they are specific to NV and ATI. The HD4850 was launched/released on the same day, though samples were sent out early and NDAs struggled to keep a gag on us.
Technically speaking the 4850 was launched the day it was in people's hand and they started posting their bench results. AMD was forced to launch the 4850 with previews. Even the 4870 was available on launch day.

Totally different with the GTX260 and 9800GTX+ launch.
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#47
candle_86
MilkyWay(Nvidia) -- tHIS IS mADNESS !!!!!

(ATi) No this is RADEEEOOON !!!

(ATi) :nutkick: (Nvidia)

yeah i wonder if anyone from 3dfx went to ATi, i knew the merger messed up ATi a little with people not wanting to relocate offices

Didnt 3dFX get bought by Nvidia? so they would have all the engineers
Nvidia didnt buy all of 3dfx just the bits they wanted, think of it more along the lines of a pack of wolves closing in and taking the little peices they want. For instance Nvidia doesnt own the rights to 3dfx SLI technology some 2d grahpics company does that does specialized computers for bussiness ect. NVidia bought what tech they wanted and the rest of the tech world feed on the remains.
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#48
steelkane
It's just that it used to be nvidia & 3DFX, ATI wasn't even in the game with any card, just seemed like shortly after the nvidia, 3DFX buy out, that ATI started coming out with cards to compete against nvidia. & here they are today still battling, I sometimes wish 3DFX was still around to battle.
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#49
H82LUZ73
steelkaneIt's just that it used to be nvidia & 3DFX, ATI wasn't even in the game with any card, just seemed like shortly after the nvidia, 3DFX buy out, that ATI started coming out with cards to compete against nvidia. & here they are today still battling, I sometimes wish 3DFX was still around to battle.
I disagree ,ATI at the time had the radeon 8500 and was about to launch the 9500 pro around the time Nvidia bought 3DFX.After that the 9700 pro and XT`s started.i remember this because when i went in to buy my V5000 Sanjay at the store ask if I would buy the 9500 for $150 dollars cheaper ,I said no and the rest is history.
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#50
newconroer
WarEagleAUWow, simply awesome. 500 bucks for this is definitely worth it.
Really?

What will this offer you that's worth that much, that justifies paying it, but not for an Nvidia product at that money?

I'm really curious to know what YOU believe it will offer, that would be NECESSARY ?
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