TheMailMan78"Fine artist" turned pro.

Which means you're no longer fine?

I'll repeat my question in the hopes your next answer will be less obscure.

Most sincerely.

Why do I always here the arguement "I hate fattening the wallets of CEO's" That has no substence at all. In fact go to a communist country if your jelous of people who found a way to make more money than you. I'm sure as hell jelous of CEO's of big companies for making more money. I'm also envious of their position but I know if I had the right attitude I or most of us could reach such a status.

AnnCoreWhich means you're no longer fine?

I'll repeat my question in the hopes your next answer will be less obscure.

Most sincerely.

I used to paint and illustrate in the classic styles. Now I do it commercially. I'm an artistic prostitute you could say. :laugh:

TheMailMan78It is the same thing. Your credit score has a direct effect on your life. Some have it good. Some bad. But it is yours and you must protect it. Whats at consequence is the quality of every artists life. Weather they make a million bucks or .1 cent per song is up to the consumer. You take this away by making whatever they do free you open a door to pandoras box. Services of any kind will come into question.

Your credit score is not something you own. It isn't something that you can buy, sell, nor directly control. It is there whether you like it or not and you can only effect it through indirect means. You can't even look at it w/o paying for it. It is not even remotely the same thing other than it cannot be touched (1 definition of tangible).

Nor does it follow that all services will fly out the window or that artists (poor artists) need to suffer. If services are still valuable, they will be continued to be paid for. This a natural evolution you see, it is the record companies services that are no longer needed, not the artists. They can still make money in various other methods, such as concerts or commercial licensing. How do you reasonably expect for all file-sharing to be brought down w/o invading personal liberty or seriously hindering technology? How can you expect simply saying, bad boy stop stealing and the occasional chance to say it in court will actually have any consequence on the system as a whole? CD's and the like didn't exist before the last century, nor did record companies. They had a good run, now their time has come to find other ways to thrive, cuz selling CDs just isn't needed.

TheMailMan78I used to paint and illustrate in the classic styles. Now I do it commercially. I'm an artistic prostitute you could say. :laugh:

And as an artistic prostitute you are paid for your services. Do you own your paintings? Or does the company you work for? As such who makes money when your art works for the company? You? If you were a true prostitute you would have a set price no matter who benefits most from the fornicating. Who really gets screwed? :D

DrPepperWhy do I always here the arguement "I hate fattening the wallets of CEO's" That has no substence at all. In fact go to a communist country if your jelous of people who found a way to make more money than you. I'm sure as hell jelous of CEO's of big companies for making more money. I'm also envious of their position but I know if I had the right attitude I or most of us could reach such a status.

Healthy optimism, it will be squashed as you see more of the business world. Being a CEO isn't a bad thing, however there are many who foolishly squander recourses of many w/o having done anything valuable to earn the right to do it. Having control over others is a huge responsibility, not something people who simply have the "right attitude" can handle.

DrPepperWhy do I always here the arguement "I hate fattening the wallets of CEO's" That has no substence at all. In fact go to a communist country if your jelous of people who found a way to make more money than you. I'm sure as hell jelous of CEO's of big companies for making more money. I'm also envious of their position but I know if I had the right attitude I or most of us could reach such a status.

I'm not jealous. I think it's morally wrong.

Ever hear of making an honest living? I'm sure you have and I'm almost sure you probably make one and would be somewhat pissed if your boss was being payed obscene amounts of money because you're the one with the bright ideas and you're the one that does all the work.

The Mailman78, nice. I hope you enjoy what you do for a living. It's a pity not more people can enjoy themselves making a living.

AnnCoreI'm not jealous. I think it's morally wrong.

Ever hear of making an honest living? I'm sure you have and I'm almost sure you probably make one and would be somewhat pissed if your boss was being payed obscene amounts of money because you're the one with the bright ideas and you're the one that does all the work.

The Mailman78, nice. I hope you enjoy what you do for a living. It's a pity not more people can enjoy themselves making a living.

I've not got a job atm going to the navy soon and I am jelous that some guys are doing nothing yet earning millions but even if I didn't get paid I'd still work in the armed forces because it is a passion.

im shocked i understand the artist view but lol i think its awsome at the same time. thart would never hapen here lol haahha

farlex85Your credit score is not something you own. It isn't something that you can buy, sell, nor directly control. It is there whether you like it or not and you can only effect it through indirect means. You can't even look at it w/o paying for it. It is not even remotely the same thing other than it cannot be touched (1 definition of tangible).

Nor does it follow that all services will fly out the window or that artists (poor artists) need to suffer. If services are still valuable, they will be continued to be paid for. This a natural evolution you see, it is the record companies services that are no longer needed, not the artists. They can still make money in various other methods, such as concerts or commercial licensing. How do you reasonably expect for all file-sharing to be brought down w/o invading personal liberty or seriously hindering technology? How can you expect simply saying, bad boy stop stealing and the occasional chance to say it in court will actually have any consequence on the system as a whole? CD's and the like didn't exist before the last century, nor did record companies. They had a good run, now their time has come to find other ways to thrive, cuz selling CDs just isn't needed.



And as an artistic prostitute you are paid for your services. Do you own your paintings? Or does the company you work for? As such who makes money when your art works for the company? You? If you were a true prostitute you would have a set price no matter who benefits most from the fornicating. Who really gets screwed? :D



Healthy optimism, it will be squashed as you see more of the business world. Being a CEO isn't a bad thing, however there are many who foolishly squander recourses of many w/o having done anything valuable to earn the right to do it. Having control over others is a huge responsibility, not something people who simply have the "right attitude" can handle.

So what is your stance on this? It's ok to steal from others?

erockerSo what is your stance on this? It's ok to steal from others?

No his stance is make it legal to steal that way no one is a thief. Next up.....rape.

DrPepperI've not got a job atm going to the navy soon and I am jelous that some guys are doing nothing yet earning millions but even if I didn't get paid I'd still work in the armed forces because it is a passion.

Power to you. I truly believe that people who make a difference in the world don't get enough credit or money.

TheMailMan78Well then anything that isnt tangible should be free then huh?

Whether you like it or not, welcome to the future. :shadedshu

farlex85Your credit score is not something you own. It isn't something that you can buy, sell, nor directly control. It is there whether you like it or not and you can only effect it through indirect means. You can't even look at it w/o paying for it. It is not even remotely the same thing other than it cannot be touched (1 definition of tangible).

Actually, in America, the credit companies have deemed in their infinite wisdom and mercy to allow consumers to peek at their credit information for free, but only once each solar cycle.

(No, actually they're required to do it by law, thanks to the The Fair and Accurate Credit Transaction Act of 2003. Figures.)

erockerSo what is your stance on this? It's ok to steal from others?

No, it is not. My stance on this particular thread subject is that I hope it will be a positive force in revising and contributiong to the improvement of digital trade so that there will be some sort of solution in which theft goes down, companies continue to earn profits, and consumers' privacy is not invaded. They will likely at least advocate the last one, which with some compromises will hopefully eventually lead to some harmonious solution with the former 2.

farlex85No, it is not. My stance on this particular thread subject is that I hope it will be a positive force in revising and contributiong to the improvement of digital trade so that there will be some sort of solution in which theft goes down, companies continue to earn profits, and consumers' privacy is not invaded. They will likely at least advocate the last one, which with some compromises will hopefully eventually lead to some harmonious solution with the former 2.

More than likely, we're all going to be paying monthly fees in the future for unlimited access to everything, whether we actually access it or not.

mdm-adphWhether you like it or not, welcome to the future. :shadedshu


Actually, in America, the credit companies have deemed in their infinite wisdom and mercy to allow consumers to peek at their credit information for free, but only once each solar cycle.

(No, actually they're required to do it by law, thanks to the The Fair and Accurate Credit Transaction Act of 2003. Figures.)

Yes you can look at your report for free once per year. Your actual numeric score you still have to pay for though. However there are some nifty ways to get that too for free, once every 6 months you can use this site: www.quizzle.com

mdm-adphMore than likely, we're all going to be paying monthly fees in the future for unlimited access to everything, whether we actually access it or not.

Yeah, and I can live with that. That seems to be one of the better solutions come up with so far. For instance just make TPB a paid subscription site. You still share but now TPB pays artists and games and such for putting them on there. Better dl speeds probably. :)

Remember guys this party isn't called the "Artist empowerment movement" Its called the Pirate party. By thief's for thief's. Don't try an sugar coat it damn it.

TheMailMan78Remember guys this party isn't called the "Artist empowerment movement" Its called the Pirate party. By thief's for thief's. Don't try an sugar coat it damn it.

It's true the name is a rather poor choice I think. I imagine they did that so as to gain instant recognition, unfortunately that recognition will likely often be negative, as pirates are by definition thieves. Their cause is not a bad one though, at least not according to their reported objectives (privacy).

farlex85Yeah, and I can live with that. That seems to be one of the better solutions come up with so far. For instance just make TPB a paid subscription site. You still share but now TPB pays artists and games and such for putting them on there. Better dl speeds probably. :)

Honestly, I could live with it too, if only so big companies would stop suing the shit out of everyone in existence over licensing/pirating/sharing matters.

TheMailMan78Remember guys this party isn't called the "Artist empowerment movement" Its called the Pirate party. By thief's for thief's. Don't try an sugar coat it damn it.

Look, I'll agree with you -- it's a stupid name, and needs to change. But it isn't the shadowy worldwide thieving organization you're making it out to be, either.

guys you're arguing too much and in vain

better drink a cold beer and listen the pirated or non-pirated music and relax

laszloguys you're arguing too much and in vain

better drink a cold beer and listen the pirated or non-pirated music and relax

Without debate there can be no compromise. Without compromise there can be no peace. Still though, music, relaxing, and drinking can go hand in hand with debating. In fact, I think it should be required for all members of parliament to drink beer and play Mozart in the background........ :D

I have an idea. Its a crazy one. How about we pay for the stuff we want. Instead we are changing the moral landscape to justify our gluttony. Its sad we are to the point we glorify even elect thieves.......well ones that are open to the idea publicly. :laugh:

laszloguys you're arguing too much and in vain

better drink a cold beer and listen the pirated or non-pirated music and relax

Dude we are just tech junkies that barely have the power to change our underwear. This "debate" is all in good fun.

I still don't understand how stealing movies, games and music is "moral" or whatever you're saying. What's ok with stealing?

farlex85Without debate there can be no compromise. Without compromise there can be no peace. Still though, music, relaxing, and drinking can go hand in hand with debating. In fact, I think it should be required for all members of parliament to drink beer and play Mozart in the background........ :D

believe me you won't see any compromise on this matter;)

Some things never change my friend. One thing is for sure. Whatever is decided the artist will suffer. That never changes. I just don't want to have a new slave owner. I know this ones moods all to well.

ShadowFoldI still don't understand how stealing movies, games and music is "moral" or whatever you're saying. What's ok with stealing?

Nothing unless you rewrite what's wrong and right.

TheMailMan78I have an idea. Its a crazy one. How about we pay for the stuff we want. Instead we are changing the moral landscape to justify our gluttony.

I want air. Should I have to pay for that?

"Information" is quickly become as ubiquitous as the aforementioned air -- you can't regulate it, you can't control it -- you can't charge people for it on a piecemeal basis, as the old way was. ("Information" being anything you can't hold in your hands. Anything in the digital world qualifies as this.)

I'm not saying everything should be free, but the old price systems are beyond dead.

TheMailMan78Some things never change my friend. One thing is for sure. Whatever is decided the artist will suffer. That never changes. I just don't want to have a new slave owner. I know this ones moods all to well.

I know what you mean -- in the end, nothing for the artist will really change (but perhaps he/she will have more control over what they create).

However, you really need to reexamine your idea of "suffering." YMMV, but I don't create art for money -- I do it for the love of creating art. (When I decide to do something artistic.) If you're only an artist for the money, perhaps you need to look deep within yourself and ask yourself is that really what you want to be doing?

ShadowFoldI still don't understand how stealing movies, games and music is "moral" or whatever you're saying. What's ok with stealing?

Legally nothing.

TheMailMan78Some things never change my friend. One thing is for sure. Whatever is decided the artist will suffer. That never changes. I just don't want to have a new slave owner. I know this ones moods all to well.



Nothing unless you rewrite what's wrong and right.

Artists will/have flourished with the internet. It's amazing all the wonderful art you can find so quickly.

laszlobelieve me you won't see any compromise on this matter;)

I know, some people are more receptive than others. Compromises unfortunately have to sometimes be forced, and those unwilling to bend are, as I said, broken. There is always room in the middle.