Friday, July 10th 2009
AMD Staring at 140W Barrier with Phenom II X4 965?
Two of AMD's biggest setbacks with the 65 nm Phenom X4 series were 1. the TLB erratum fiasco with the B2 revision of the chip, and 2. the virtual TDP wall it hit with the 2.60 GHz Phenom X4 9950, at 140W. At that wattage, several motherboards were rendered incompatible with the processor because they lacked the power circuitry that could handle it. The company eventually worked out a lower-wattage 125W variant of the said chip, and went on to never release a higher-clocked processor based on the core.
MSI published the complete CPU support list of its a new BIOS for the 790GX-G65 motherboard a little early, revealing quite some about unreleased AMD processors. At the bottom of the list its the Phenom II X4 965. This 3.40 GHz quad-core chip will succeed the Phenom II X4 955 as AMD next flagship desktop offering. Its TDP is an alarming 140W. Alarming, because this is a chip with a mere 2 unit bus multiplier increment over the Phenom II X4 940, the launch-vehicle for AMD's 45 nm client processor lineup. There are, however, two things to cheer about. RB-C2 is not going to be the only revision of this core, future revisions could bring TDP down, or at least make sure clock-speeds of future models keep escalating, while respecting the 140W mark. A future variant of Phenom II 965 could come with a reduced TDP rating. The list interestingly also goes on to reveal that AMD will have a 95W version of the 3.00 GHz Phenom II X4 945.
Source:
HardwareLuxx.de
MSI published the complete CPU support list of its a new BIOS for the 790GX-G65 motherboard a little early, revealing quite some about unreleased AMD processors. At the bottom of the list its the Phenom II X4 965. This 3.40 GHz quad-core chip will succeed the Phenom II X4 955 as AMD next flagship desktop offering. Its TDP is an alarming 140W. Alarming, because this is a chip with a mere 2 unit bus multiplier increment over the Phenom II X4 940, the launch-vehicle for AMD's 45 nm client processor lineup. There are, however, two things to cheer about. RB-C2 is not going to be the only revision of this core, future revisions could bring TDP down, or at least make sure clock-speeds of future models keep escalating, while respecting the 140W mark. A future variant of Phenom II 965 could come with a reduced TDP rating. The list interestingly also goes on to reveal that AMD will have a 95W version of the 3.00 GHz Phenom II X4 945.
184 Comments on AMD Staring at 140W Barrier with Phenom II X4 965?
most new AMD boards can handle 140w just fine it was a group of MSI, asus and GB boards that came out when AMD first released 125w and 140w parts that couldn't cope and they couldn't cope with the older 125w 6000+ and 6400+ either.
my point was no OEM has used that high of a watt chip when it first came out none of them do you see any OEM that had the 6400+ in a PC or how about one with the FX57 or wait how about a QX9650? no you see ones with a 5600+ in it or a 4000+ or a Q9550 most OEM's do not use high bin cpu's at all regardless of TDP.
and go ahead on your high horse about the multi card shit i honestly don't care that intel threatened and cheated nvidia out of the SLi license but whatever if that business practice makes you happy go buy some stock in intel.
Look, I don't give a shit what system I buy. I buy the best for my money at the time of purchase. Last time I built an entire rig, my budget was high, and the QX got the nod, as it was faster than anything else out there.
Next year, I plan to upgrade again, and probably on a rather large budget again. Whoever has the fastest setup, with the features I need in my price range will get my money.
I don't deal in fanboy emotions, I deal in facts. It is a fact that 140w is a problem for many OEMs that offer AMD, or else they would actually offer 140w cpus instead of waiting for 125w variants to release months later.
It is a fact that case airflow effects cooling, and that a single low rpm 120mm fan as an exhaust in an mATX case is not adequate on a good many high-heat output systems.
And yes, high performance OEMs do offer the top tier cpus, and higher TDPs do effect their designs, whether you like it or not.
So, go ahead on your anti-intel tirade, it still doesn't change facts, cd.
this is NOT AMD's Choice/Fault its nVidia, they are to worried about loosing a few mobo or videocard sales to allow cross compatibility between cf and sli.
Its childish and STUPID because but its how some companies think.
yes nV would loose some sales in one cat, but it would more then be made up for by the sales in the other, there are alot of people i know who would buy nVidia chipsets IF they could run CF and SLI on them, same goes for nVidia videocards, IF they could use 2+ nVidia videocards in a 790 board in SLI they would jump on it, but thanks to nVidia's stupidity they loose out on sales because those same people just say "Screw it" and go get a couple ati cards.
Alienware=Dell, so them even offering anything AMD is a miracle, only happening to avoid
lawsuits for themselves and intel.
voodoopc......to me they are kinda a joke these days
falconNW.....same deal, sure they can build you a high end AMD rig, but you could build you're self the same rig far cheaper......or have somebody locally build one for you.
I could list other sites that offer AMD systems that you could consider OEM's, but none of them that offer "high end" AMD stuff have even close to the market share of the top oem's like dell,hp,gateway,acer,exct the top OEM's have rarely offered the top end cpu's because honestly THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY OFF THOSE SYSTEMS, they make far more off the budget and mid range class systems and sell far more of them.
go to any bigbox system seller and see what they sell more of, low end, mid range or high end, most of them around here dont even offer what i would call high end systems, they offer mid range as high end and low and ultra low as your other choices.
on a side note, most OEM systems that have 120mm fans in them, don't use "low speed" fans they use high speed fans that are speed controlled by the board, example, pull the 120mm fan out of a dell, reconfigure the plug to work on a normal board, and plug it in, the fan will be LOUD AS HELL, and move ONE HELL OF ALOT OF AIR, in fact in the case of dell boxes, that fans MORE THEN ENOUGH to cool even the hottest of cpu's and keep the flow going to allow even high end videocards to be happy(dell may suck, but their case designs for mini and full towers are quite good for airflow most of the time)
i havent found that board available at any retail outlet yet either....
Kinda off topic though. :confused:
since Im sure you will argue without looking into it yourself.
www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/gigabyte-bios-hack-subverts-nvidia-sli-certification-sticks-i?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadgetits NOT hardware based, nvidia's drivers detect if the boards bios have a cert fro SLI in them, if they do they allow SLI to work, if not, well your BONED.
dont post something as fact if its not :)
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