BEST RAM FOR ASUS HERO X570

[mstenholm]

I can confirm that as well. As you can i see i put a GTX 1080 TI in my system and i had not a single problem with it running i my system. No freezing up, no BSOD it jut works. Since she renders, i hope she have a 6 core Xeon or I7 in it then as the 6 core xeon for X58 are so dam cheap. Else it about dam time you give your girls one for chrismas

RTX 2070, Win 7 and X58. Last day today and then my 3900x will take over the 24/7/365 job of being my main rig. 10 years of faithful service and I couldn't have asked for more.

 

[thesmokingman]

The main goal is a good gaming PC.

64GB+ will actually be slower.

 

[Tomgang]

Yup. Already thought of that and def won't be looking at anything less than 3200 MHz. The thing is, I just want to build my very own gaming rig. I know that sounds insane when I've built so many rigs over these past couple decades but never a gaming rig for myself. To me, a 3900x seems like over kill for a gaming rig and o.c. (although a factor) isn't really a super big deal if the unit runs well at stock speeds IMO. Perhaps I should just settle for a 3700x but I really would like to have 64 GB of RAM coz I have this "spidy sense" thing about the future and PCIe gen 4.

Hornestly Ryzen 9 3900X for pure gaming is overkill and will be for some time in the future as well. Optimal right now for games is 6 cores/12 threads, games just dont use more than that these days and for some future profing 8 cores/16 threads would not be a bad idea. 3900X cut be better be acount for if you stream while gaming and doing other CPU heavy task like rendering or doing animation.

Also for gaming alone 32 GB is more than you will need for years to come. I can still get away with gaming in 1440P with 12 GB ram al throw with Red Dead Redemption i am on the limit with 12 GB ram. But 32 GB will keep you going for a good long time.

For pure gaming i would not go for any more than a 3700X and 32 GB ram. That is more than surficient for a while. Heck 3950X is overkill for my needs frankly, but i like overkill and waste money. alright not waste money, but i like to know that i have more than i need. I hate when i run in to a bottleneck in my system you see.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You'll likely have issues running 64GB at high speeds and low timings. Even going from 16GB to 32GB I had to lower timings by a decent margin.

Specifically on Ryzen lower timings means lower performance how much that is actually noticeable in every day usage is debatable especially if you don't also grab a 2080 ti or faster and use it at 1080p.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

RTX 2070, Win 7 and X58. Last day today and then my 3900x will take over the 24/7/365 job of being my main rig. 10 years of faithful service and I couldn't have asked for more.

YUP. I hear ya. When I build my work station I knew I gave her a good PC to replace her little Dell. But then her sister wanted something better so I had to get another X58 put together. Then the third daughter felt left out so . . . Silly me, I bought a new system board for her with UEFI and a Haswell socket and it's given me nothing but trouble. Can't even compare.

 

[thesmokingman]

Does anyone know if 16GB modules are both single/dual ranked? I know it’s kind of hard a dense 16Gb rank...

It is down to the ics, but generally is the dimm is double sided its dual rank. Ideally we want 4 ranks, how we get to that doesn't matter.

You'll likely have issues running 64GB at high speeds and low timings. Even going from 16GB to 32GB I had to lower timings by a decent margin.

That would depend on the ram used. My Gskill c15 3600mhx 32gb (4x8GB) dropped in w/o one hiccup and ran at their specced 15-15-15 1T w/o needing me to do anything with the timings. I still however lowered some sub timings even more cutting 100 pts off cinebench just because.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

Hornestly Ryzen 9 3900X for pure gaming is overkill and will be for some time in the future as well. Optimal right now for games is 6 cores/12 threads, games just dont use more than that these days and for some future profing 8 cores/16 threads would not be a bad idea. 3900X cut be better be acount for if you stream while gaming and doing other CPU heavy task like rendering or doing animation.

Also for gaming alone 32 GB is more than you will need for years to come. I can still get away with gaming in 1440P with 12 GB ram al throw with Red Dead Redemption i am on the limit with 12 GB ram. But 32 GB will keep you going for a good long time.

For pure gaming i would not go for any more than a 3700X and 32 GB ram. That is more than surficient for a while. Heck 3950X is overkill for my needs frankly, but i like overkill and waste money. alright not waste money, but i like to know that i have more than i need. I hate when i run in to a bottleneck in my system you see.

Sounds like sound advice, Tom. Guess I'll rethink my approach then and put my savings into better quality RAM vs slightly faster CPU and more GB. That one on one with infinity fabric seems to be a big factor so perhaps a high end C16 kit @ 8GB per stick might be ideal. **I mean, I'm already using a good work station that provides me with more than enough RAM for other things** Maybe I'll splurge on a little RGB bling instead. lol

 

[thesmokingman]

Sounds like sound advice, Tom. Guess I'll rethink my approach then and put my savings into better quality RAM vs slightly faster CPU and more GB. That one on one with infinity fabric seems to be a big factor so perhaps a high end C16 kit @ 8GB per stick might be ideal.

Here are some sticks I would look at. They're more expensive than the cheap stuff obviously. But I value my time more than dicking around with bad ram for days.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16Q-32GTZSW - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16Q-32GTZSW with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

^^I had 2 sets of these leftover from a previous 7820x build. I had bought these years ago obviously when they were double the price, coincidentally that was the last time I bought ram so compared to todays pricing, it is dirt cheap lol. That said old school Samsung B-dies from Intel days dropped right into my Asus 3900x build w/o one issue. I ended up handing down that rig so I needed a new set of dimms.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C15D-16GTZ - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C15D-16GTZ with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

^^I' got these for my 3900x, got em for 140 when they were on sale and coming from the last time I bought ram, it's still cheap.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-32GTZSK - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-32GTZSK with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

Also, general rule stay away from "odd numbered timings" like the c15 kit I am using. Boards don't like displaying odd timings w/o disabling gear down mode. And disabling gear down mode means a bit of tweaking timings and settings and other crap making it a bigger pain than that timing is worth. That's generally why we rarely see odd timing ram on cas latency.

 

[Tomgang]

RTX 2070, Win 7 and X58. Last day today and then my 3900x will take over the 24/7/365 job of being my main rig. 10 years of faithful service and I couldn't have asked for more.

Dam so even the latest RTX cards works on X58. X58 can have Ray-tracing as well, that whas the X58 surprice for the day
I run Win 10 on my X58 since 2015 when it came out. So far X58 have service me for 10 and half year (got it back in may 2009). X58 will also be replaced as my main rig wint a ryzen setup, but that dosent mean X58 is useless for me. I all ready have plans for X58 as a combined Retro gamer, Backup PC if my main rig fails and as a guess gamer. So X58 will not just be sitting and collect dust.

Sounds like sound advice, Tom. Guess I'll rethink my approach then and put my savings into better quality RAM vs slightly faster CPU and more GB. That one on one with infinity fabric seems to be a big factor so perhaps a high end C16 kit @ 8GB per stick might be ideal. **I mean, I'm already using a good work station that provides me with more than enough RAM for other things** Maybe I'll splurge on a little RGB bling instead. lol

Yeah for gaming alone go for 3700X, 32 GB 3600 MHz CL16-16-16-36 memory and for the saved money get a better GPU or maybe a better monitor or something else for gaming like a good mouse. That you will be far more satisfied with than burning more money on better CPU/more ram that wount give you higher FPS any way and i think most other gamers on this site will a greed to this statement as well. For games is frankly like this = higher clock ram/low timings over more memory capacity as high clock/low timings can improve the FPS while high capacity wount help you a bit unless off cause you all ready running out of memory.

yeah running memory/IF in 1:1 is importent as you will need very fast memory when running 2:1 to get same or better performance. Also AMD them self says sweet spot for Ryzen 3000 is 3600 MHz.

Se this also:

Best RAM & Memory Timings for Ryzen 3000 CPUs - PremiumBuilds

In this guide we show you the best performing RAM & memory speeds & latencies for Ryzen Zen 2 processors, including the Ryzen 3600X, 3700X & 3900X.

premiumbuilds.com

Youtube/overclocker Der8aur has testet 5000 MHz with 2:1 on Ryzen 3000 and it is not worfh it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It is down to the ics, but generally is the dimm is double sided its dual rank. Ideally we want 4 ranks, how we get to that doesn't matter.



That would depend on the ram used. My Gskill c15 3600mhx 32gb (4x8GB) dropped in w/o one hiccup and ran at their specced 15-15-15 1T w/o needing me to do anything with the timings. I still however lowered some sub timings even more cutting 100 pts off cinebench just because.

I was more talking about 3800Mhz with 32GB or more with good timings.... 3600 seems to be pretty easy even with budget ram as I've yet to work with a board (3) that couldn't do 1:1:1 with decent timings....

I had to drop timings from 14/15 at 3800 to 16 and Trfc from 336 to 364..... going from 16GB to 32GB I agree with you though it will depend on what kit you are running.

 

[mbeeston]

No, it's not just bad luck, they have a lot of minor revisions of memory and they simply don't work with certain AMD setups at their rated speeds.
Admittedly some of it is down to the board makers, as on my previous rig, early on, the memory wouldn't run faster than JEDEC spec, then slowly it got up to 2600, 2800, 2933 and finally 3000MHz. It even hit 3066MHz on a couple of UEFI releases, but it was a bit flake. At no point would the RAM work at 3200MHz, not even when relaxing the timings beyond ridiculous settings. Tried the RAM in this rig, as I was hoping that it would work better with the vastly improved memory controller on the Ryzen 3000-series, not 1MHz above 3000...

you just defined "bad luck", and i'm sorry you had it.
untill i got this 1070ti i had every nvidia card i ever bought died in less then 2 months. and this one working for over a year. by the logic in this thread i should have avoided nvidia.
my 3900x says hello.

 

[thesmokingman]

you just defined "bad luck", and i'm sorry you had it.
untill i got this 1070ti i had every nvidia card i ever bought died in less then 2 months. and this one working for over a year. by the logic in this thread i should have avoided nvidia.
my 3900x says hello.

I'm not sure what's going on but you could be the Nvidia Killer?

 

[moproblems99]

you just defined "bad luck", and i'm sorry you had it.
untill i got this 1070ti i had every nvidia card i ever bought died in less then 2 months. and this one working for over a year. by the logic in this thread i should have avoided nvidia.
my 3900x says hello.

I mean what is wrong with trying to save someone from potential trouble? Absolutely nothing is lost (or gained) between brands. They can certainly buy Corsair but I would hate to see them come back with a help thread: Corsair not reaching timings with Zen2.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Avoid Corsair like the Plague.

Why? I have corsair everything and I have no issues.

 

[mstenholm]

Why? I have corsair everything and I have no issues.

Paired with the CPUs/X570 MB in question?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Sounds like sound advice, Tom. Guess I'll rethink my approach then and put my savings into better quality RAM vs slightly faster CPU and more GB. That one on one with infinity fabric seems to be a big factor so perhaps a high end C16 kit @ 8GB per stick might be ideal. **I mean, I'm already using a good work station that provides me with more than enough RAM for other things** Maybe I'll splurge on a little RGB bling instead. lol

What ever you end up doing expect to have to manually tune your ram even with a decent 3800 kit. The typical difference with XMP settings going from 3200-3800 is 3-5FPS but only if you have a 2080 ti also.

 

[Zach_01]

Why? I have corsair everything and I have no issues.

We are talking about Corsair combined with ZEN2... I use LPXs too but as I already said a lot of users have issues with this combo, so he (OP) should avoid them.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

Myself, Corsair would have to give me a $200.00 credit before I ever bought anything from them again. It has nothing to do with the RAM I've purchased from them, or the reliable power supplies they sell, but I would say anything involving RGB with Corsair isn't worth the aggravation for one thing and my experience with customer service (if that is what it is to be called) leaves a lot to be desired. Any future builds I do for any clients will not be started without a caveat if they want me to use Corsair product in the build. I will definitely not be purchasing any further Corsair product for personal use if I can avoid it. So far so good.

 

[Zach_01]

From my understanding (info by this thread, many other threads, and some videos from BZ, the bottom line for latest ZEN’s DRAM subsystem, when placed next to DaisyChain, is to use as few ranks as possible and target for the 3800 1:1:1 ratio with tight timings.

Up to a point of course with the timings cause it’s not making much sense to pay a tone of money just for timings. Not linear gains/ROI...

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

From my understanding (info by this thread, many other threads, and some videos from BZ, the bottom line for latest ZEN’s DRAM subsystem, when placed next to DaisyChain, is to use as few ranks as possible and target for the 3800 1:1:1 ratio with tight timings.

Up to a point of course with the timings cause it’s not making much sense to pay a tone of money just for timings. Not linear gains/ROI...

Yup. And 8 GB sticks for gaming.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Here are some sticks I would look at. They're more expensive than the cheap stuff obviously. But I value my time more than dicking around with bad ram for days.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16Q-32GTZSW - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16Q-32GTZSW with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

^^I had 2 sets of these leftover from a previous 7820x build. I had bought these years ago obviously when they were double the price, coincidentally that was the last time I bought ram so compared to todays pricing, it is dirt cheap lol. That said old school Samsung B-dies from Intel days dropped right into my Asus 3900x build w/o one issue. I ended up handing down that rig so I needed a new set of dimms.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C15D-16GTZ - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C15D-16GTZ with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

^^I' got these for my 3900x, got em for 140 when they were on sale and coming from the last time I bought ram, it's still cheap.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-32GTZSK - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-32GTZSK with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

Also, general rule stay away from "odd numbered timings" like the c15 kit I am using. Boards don't like displaying odd timings w/o disabling gear down mode. And disabling gear down mode means a bit of tweaking timings and settings and other crap making it a bigger pain than that timing is worth. That's generally why we rarely see odd timing ram on cas latency.

I have the sticks in the first link. Judging by the picture, if it's true to the specs is A1 memory sticks. Pretty decent, but cannot get Cas 12 stable at 4000mhz with them. Instead I run them at 4300mhz 16-16-16-37 but not on a Ryzen platform. Mine are also a much higher rating at 4277mhz Cas 19-19-19. 1.40v

Why? I have corsair everything and I have no issues.

But how do you mean no issues?? Is this a set it and forget it no issues or You can tweak them easily with no issue?

EDIT:
For reference to those that aren't sure....

I'm talking about A1 or A2 PCB.

Curtosey of HWBot Bruno
The image shows A1 on the left and A2 on the right.

 

[Zach_01]

Yup. And 8 GB sticks for gaming.

Another question to everybody...

Total of 4 ranks of memory

1) 4x8GB 1rank modules. Individual ranks (potential more raw performance)
2) 2x16GB 2rank modules. Fewer modules (potential less MemoryController stress =stability when tweaked)

What configuration will be optimal for OP's setup to get the most out of it?

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

What ever you end up doing expect to have to manually tune your ram even with a decent 3800 kit. The typical difference with XMP settings going from 3200-3800 is 3-5FPS but only if you have a 2080 ti also.

Well, thank you for this. Considering I'll be using a budget graphics card it looks like even 3200 MHz fits the bill for me.

 

[moproblems99]

Well, thank you for this. Considering I'll be using a budget graphics card it looks like even 3200 MHz fits the bill for me.

A budget gpu? May as well dump the 64gb of ram too. Unless you have that use case.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

Yup. Already decided to go with 32 after all I've read. Would still like to get some decent 1:1:1 ratio going at a half decent frequency without paying through the nose for it.