Advice for 32gb 3600 kit

[ThrashZone]

but isn't 3200 ram cheaper now that every one is buying 3600 or more?

The memory sits in A2 and B2 slots.

I agree, no point to OC my memory, I will keep it at 16-18-18-36 1T which I believe is not bad for stock speed since it is dual rank .

Anyway while the gskill F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC runs at 3600 with 16-19-19-39 and it is priced 190€ , Crucial BL2K16G36C16U4B runs at 3600 with 16-18-18-38 and is priced 156€

what do you think?

The gskill has temperature sensor while the crucial lacks it (but will this sensor work on my motherboard)?

Gskill has RGB which I hate and I would like to know if turning aura off in the motherboard bios will turn off ram rgb too

Hi,
Depends on the CL
C16 is b-die at 3600 so it is preferred
3200c14 is b-die and is preferred
There are lot of cheap 3600 and 3200 kits but sadly are not very good that's why they are cheap
Just like yourself you have two kits from corsair same speed and same cl and they didn't use the same chips in both sets

One is samsung a low bin but okay set with loose timings proves it
Second has micron or hynix can't remember and it's your above sets anchor.
If both sets run at rated speed you're lucky live with it.

That's why it's always better to buy a single kit even a crap kit will work better together but likely not much past rated speed.

 

[Zach_01]

yeah, B-die single rank is too easy to OC up to 3800mhz
View attachment 172529View attachment 172530

Very nice!
Can I see please the Thaiphoon Burner specs of the sticks?
And with what DRAM voltage?

Thanks!

Also im using Dram Calculator with preset, not the import.

My cpu is Silver rated. I don't think this rate is related to FCLK. The rating is based on lowest vcore at certain cpu clock.

This the potential of 32GB Ripjaws GVKC:
View attachment 172533

Why not with the import specs?

 

[MaurizioC]

It is same price F4-3600C16D-32GVKC (Hynix DJR/CJR).
The difference is running at 3733/3800 in that crucial, you need to increase timing like 16-19-18-18-38, so they're same.
And btw, in that G.Skill i can boot 16-17-17 but i can't make it stable.

G.Skill (Hynix DJR/CJR)
Crucial (Micron E-Die)

For me I'll choose G.Skill brand and Hynix than Micron E.
But both don't have temp sensor. You have to spend more if you need that.

but if I were to run them at stuck wouldn't be better the crucial?

 

[mxking035]

Why not with the import specs?

It recommends CL14 in 3600/3733/3800mhz .
But doesn't even boot at 3600mhz even tried many voltages.

 

[MaurizioC]

Hi,
Depends on the CL
C16 is b-die at 3600 so it is preferred
3200c14 is b-die and is preferred
There are lot of cheap 3600 and 3200 kits but sadly are not very good that's why they are cheap
Just like yourself you have two kits from corsair same speed and same cl and they didn't use the same chips in both sets

One is samsung a low bin but okay set with loose timings proves it
Second has micron or hynix can't remember and it's your above sets anchor.
If both sets run at rated speed you're lucky live with it.

That's why it's always better to buy a single kit even a crap kit will work better together but likely not much past rated speed.

i have one kit with 2 sticks

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Very nice!
Can I see please the Thaiphoon Burner specs of the sticks?
And with what DRAM voltage?

Thanks!


Why not with the import specs?

Oh, I'm sorry my kits are not a low binned samsung b-die. I have been bought this at a lower price than 3600 cl16 sticks. I just need 1,39v to make the setting stable for daily, just 1,385v if I set the trfc 160 ns. I need more effort to push the sub timings until I got the latency under 62 ns.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

It recommends CL14 in 3600/3733/3800mhz .
But doesn't even boot at 3600mhz even tried many voltages.

View attachment 172541

Hi, for Hynix C/DJR, the trick to run at 3600 or above changes your tRRDC and tRTP in-range value of 20-21. This IC isn't scaling with voltage. Try it with loose tRRDC or tRTP

 

[MaurizioC]

Oh, I'm sorry my kits are not a low binned samsung b-die. I have been bought this at a lower price than 3600 cl16 sticks. I just need 1,39v to make the setting stable for daily, just 1,385v if I set the trfc 160 ns. I need more effort to push the sub timings until I got the latency under 62 ns.
View attachment 172544

since you have rgb gskill, does rgb turn off if you disable rgb on your motherbaord from bios?

 

[Adhyaksa17]

since you have rgb gskill, does rgb turn off if you disable rgb on your motherbaord from bios?

Oke I will try it now, wait

 

[mxking035]

Oh, I'm sorry my kits are not a low binned samsung b-die. I have been bought this at a lower price than 3600 cl16 sticks. I just need 1,39v to make the setting stable for daily, just 1,385v if I set the trfc 160 ns. I need more effort to push the sub timings until I got the latency under 62 ns.

Nice, I would like to have that kit in 2x16GB size.
I think only available in Royal Series which has 2x16GB on those timings.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

since you have rgb gskill, does rgb turn off if you disable rgb on your motherbaord from bios?

Hi, I have been checked it before. The rgb is off when you disable from bios. The rgb still on until you come into the windows, yes no rgb on my PC :v

Nice, I would like to have that kit in 2x16GB size.
I think only available in Royal Series which has 2x16GB on those timings.

No, that kits ready for all types of Trident Z in 32gb kits except Trident Z Neo I think, and ready for Ripjaws.

 

[Zach_01]

Just my 0.02 to all...
Keep in mind that to have sticks with better ICs (actual chips), is only half of the quality you want. The PCB that chips are on, is also very important.
Look and compare mine and Adhyaksa17 specs.

Me: B-dies, 2666U speed grade, A0 8-layer PCB.
Him: B-dies, 2133 speed grade, A1 10-layer PCB.

Anyone can see at DRAMcalc the difference in proposed settings between A0 and A1 on the same speed with the same ICs.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Oh, that setting is not my best setting, I just set this setting for safe only with 1.39v because of thermal.
If you want more differences in our chips, I can set my modules until the limit. Since my room is really hot at 30 degrees something, I had a little doubt about the thermal if I set to the limit @1.475v. This is a fully stable memtest 1000% on my set up.
You can see this my kits limit for daily if I can keep the thermal safety. Yeah, I got around 59.8-60 ns latency when I set to the limit. I think my stick is good B-die, but still, there are many better ones B-die out there, I know this.

 

[mxking035]

Oh, that setting is not my best setting, I just set this setting for safe only with 1.39v because of thermal.
If you want more differences in our chips, I can set my modules until the limit. Since my room is really hot at 30 degrees something, I had a little doubt about the thermal if I set to the limit @1.475v. This is a fully stable memtest 1000% on my set up.
You can see this my kits limit for daily if I can keep the thermal safety. Yeah, I got around 59.8-60 ns latency when I set to the limit. I think my stick is good B-die, but still, there are many better ones B-die out there, I know this.
View attachment 172563View attachment 172564

That was extreme for some RGB kit. Nice

 

[Adhyaksa17]

That was extreme for some RGB kit. Nice

Yeah, thank you. Maybe I was lucky when bought these kits. But I still missing B-die 3600 cl16-16-16 kits on my lab to compare with my own kits.

 

[Chomiq]

This the potential of 32GB Ripjaws GVKC:
View attachment 172533

That value is pure bullshit. It is based on nothing more than guess.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

That value is pure bullshit. It is based on nothing more than guess.

Yes, I agree with you, difference kits with the same rating can have different OC capability. The apps just counting the tCL on nanoseconds and the IC to predict the OC potential

 

[MaurizioC]

Hi, I have been checked it before. The rgb is off when you disable from bios. The rgb still on until you come into the windows, yes no rgb on my PC :v

Thanks for the answer but I am not sure I understood it. If you disable from bios it is always off right?

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Thanks for the answer but I am not sure I understood it. If you disable from bios it is always off right?

Oh, sorry for my poor english. Yes it is always off. It is only on when booting at the first time, then will be off.

 

[mxking035]

Oh, sorry for my poor english. Yes it is always off. It is only on when booting at the first time, then will be off.

What is you board? Is it availble in any board for Am4?

That value is pure bullshit. It is based on nothing more than guess.

Thats why i do manual, import values brings me to CL14 even at 3800 which I cannot even boot at 3600 at cl14

 

[Adhyaksa17]

What is you board? Is it availble in any board for Am4?


Thats why i do manual, import values brings me to CL14 even at 3800 which I cannot even boot at 3600 at cl14

My board is Asus tuf b450m plus gaming with aura sync. Maybe all Asus board with aura sync has the features. I don't know about another vendor mobo like Gigabyte, MSI, or ASRock

 

[MaurizioC]

Oh, sorry for my poor english. Yes it is always off. It is only on when booting at the first time, then will be off.

Please I didn't want to make you feel unconfortable Thank you so much for the information

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Please I didn't want to make you feel unconfortable Thank you so much for the information

Yeah, no problem. Glad to help you.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

i would like something with cl 16



are you sure? i think i could receive some more fps into gaming/h265 encoding or folding

In most cases your looking at 1-2% with the odd game outliers that do scale a bit 5/7%.

There's no guarantee that your CPU , it's IMC or your cooling system will hold up in use either, at those speeds.

Folding see's no discernible gain.

You can get 2X16 sticks at reasonable prices so if I were buying now I would try and get it in two sticks as it's easier on the IMC but four single rank sticks do add up to dual rank and it does have a minor 1/2% performance lift.
Try for some listed as tested on AMD.

 

[Zach_01]

Please I didn't want to make you feel unconfortable Thank you so much for the information

If you dont want RGB and BIOS has the option to disable them then its the optimal way to do it. I have my share (and others too) of bad luck with this kind of software that must run all times to control RGB, even to keep them off. I have board RGB disabled by BIOS. I dont have RAM sticks with lights so I dont really know whats what there. My GPU also has a MSI dragon logo. I did install MSI's DragonCenter but quicly disable it because it kept messing with GPU drivers for my custom settings and also was keeping CPU from entering idle/low power stages. So I left the GPU logo on.