Advice for 32gb 3600 kit

[mxking035]

Ok I managed to take BIOS screenshots thanks to Zack advice

this timings:
Trcpage = 0
MemAddrCmdSetup = 0
MemCsODTSetup = 0
MemCkeSetup = 0

and try again with:
RttNom = RZQ/7
SOC=1.1v

hope it will boot

 

[Zach_01]

Did you happen to try the settings from post #69?

 

[MaurizioC]

this timings:
Trcpage = 0
MemAddrCmdSetup = 0
MemCsODTSetup = 0
MemCkeSetup = 0

and try again with:
RttNom = RZQ/7
SOC=1.1v

hope it will boot

I tried. No boot still

Did you happen to try the settings from post #69?

I just tried that too... no boot.

I hope not to damage anything...

I think I will give up the idea of tuning my ram. Maybe it's the mainboard-ram combo...

 

[ThrashZone]

I tried. No boot still


I just tried that too... no boot.

I hope not to damage anything...

I think I will give up the idea of tuning my ram. Maybe it's the mainboard-ram combo...

HI,
Mixing of ram kits yes
Mother board no.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Ok I managed to take BIOS screenshots thanks to Zack advice

Thank you for checking this




A part from trying settings again and taking screenshots, I watched this video again.

He says that b-die ram kits are for overclock and unless you do not want to overclock hard you can avoid paying big money for them.

It also seems to me that dual rank configuration are superior than single rank configuration


View attachment 172365


and this articole from tomshardware seems to recomend dual rank memory too:

Ryzen Above: Best Memory Settings for AMD's 3000 CPUs, Tested

Is Ryzen 3000 optimized for DDR4-3200? What if we want more? We examine everything from frequency to rank count to nail down optimal settings.

www.tomshardware.com

In first place I bought my 3200 c16 kit because of this article since my kit is dual rank and 1T

so mayve there are less expensive options to consider?

Hi, i think you should reset all of your setting. Let's all setting auto except your CPU OC setting.
Maybe i can help you to tightening your memory timing. Since your B-die is dual rank and not a good B-die with RC B0.
First, disable docp and change your frequency to 3200 and then FCLK to 1600
Next, let your soc voltage auto, but set your SOC Load line calibration to extreme
Third, DRAM voltage = 1,45V (safety for daily B-die)
Then, set primary timing to 14-16-16-36, sub timing auto
Remember, set all to auto first
If you can boot, you can increase your frequency.
If thats setting is stable, next you can set your sub timing.


I think your problem is your B-die B0 (dual rank old bin) very complicated to OC, it can run xmp but they don't have to much OC capability.

When you wanna OC your memory and they can't boot. First, set your primary timing, frequency, dram voltage. Just set your primary timing and frequency first and dram voltage, let the other setting remain auto.

 

[mxking035]

I tried. No boot still


I just tried that too... no boot.

I hope not to damage anything...

I think I will give up the idea of tuning my ram. Maybe it's the mainboard-ram combo...

Can you try FCLK in Auto, lets see if it's the CPU.

 

[MaurizioC]

Hi, i think you should reset all of your setting. Let's all setting auto except your CPU OC setting.
Maybe i can help you to tightening your memory timing. Since your B-die is dual rank and not a good B-die with RC B0.
First, disable docp and change your frequency to 3200 and then FCLK to 1600
Next, let your soc voltage auto, but set your SOC Load line calibration to extreme
Third, DRAM voltage = 1,45V (safety for daily B-die)
Then, set primary timing to 14-16-16-36, sub timing auto
Remember, set all to auto first
If you can boot, you can increase your frequency.
If thats setting is stable, next you can set your sub timing.


I think your problem is your B-die B0 (dual rank old bin) very complicated to OC, it can run xmp but they don't have to much OC capability.

When you wanna OC your memory and they can't boot. First, set your primary timing, frequency, dram voltage. Just set your primary timing and frequency first and dram voltage, let the other setting remain auto.

Hi, thank you for your message but dram to 1.45 seems a little too extreme for me.

Can you try FCLK in Auto, lets see if it's the CPU.

did not work

I think I will wait to see if zen3 can benefit from fast memory and which frequencies likes before to even consider buying anything.

For now I will keep ma corsair at xmp

 

[Zach_01]

Hi, thank you for your message but dram to 1.45 seems a little too extreme for me.

Samsung's B-dies can take up to 2.0V with proper active cooling.
I try them (b-die A0) up to 1.5V for testing purposes. Now I have them 1.45V every day with "light" active cooling (120mm fan ~700rpm close to sticks).

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Hi, thank you for your message but dram to 1.45 seems a little too extreme for me.



did not work

I think I will wait to see if zen3 can benefit from fast memory and which frequencies likes before to even consider buying anything.

For now I will keep ma corsair at xmp

Hmm, oke then you can try with 1.4v first. But don't go with tCL 14. Increase the frequency first. Just follow my guide with 3466 cl 16-18-18-36 or 3600 cl 18-20-20-44

 

[mxking035]

did not work
For now I will keep ma corsair at xmp

So your kit can't do 3600mhz.

Samsung's B-dies can take up to 2.0V with proper active cooling.

I don't think his kit is near Samsung B-Die, real Sam B-Die can do flat P/T like 16-16-16-36.
It's the same with my previous kit (4x8GB) B-Die (downbin) can't work stable higher than 1.4v or 1.42v max.

For now I will keep ma corsair at xmp

Better. Or sell it and buy new one with your post #1 is a good choice.

 

[MaurizioC]

Better. Or sell it and buy new one with your post #1 is a good choice.

I think I will wait zen3 review.

Is it better

F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC - Specification - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 CL16-19-19-39 1.35V 32GB (2x16GB)

www.gskill.com

or

F4-3600C16D-32GVKC - Specification - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Ripjaws V DDR4-3600 CL16-19-19-39 1.35V 32GB (2x16GB)

www.gskill.com

they look the same from specs but the ripjaws cost 17€ less.

I do not care about RGB and can it be disabled for the trident z? Do the ripjaws have temperature sensor too?

 

[mxking035]

they look the same from specs but the ripjaws cost 17€ less.

The first one I think is better. I think there is software that can disable RGB.
Tha RGB one can do better timings like 16-18-18 in 3600/3733/3800mhz.

I don't know why need for Zen3 reviews for Ram. I has still FCLK.

 

[MaurizioC]

Yes you can use gskill software but i would like it to disable led if they are disabled into motherboard bios.

It is rumored that zen3 will raise sweet spot from 3600 to 3800/4000 so I think it is better a while. Price will change at least.

 

[mxking035]

It is rumored that zen3 will raise sweet spot from 3600 to 3800/4000 so I think it is better a while. Price will change at least.

Ah ok agreed. Are you going to upgrade to Zen 3?

 

[MaurizioC]

no but I think that if 3800/4000 becomes the new standard, price swill change and/or new kits will arrive

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Yes you can use gskill software but i would like it to disable led if they are disabled into motherboard bios.

It is rumored that zen3 will raise sweet spot from 3600 to 3800/4000 so I think it is better a while. Price will change at least.

Almost all of reviewer say that Ryzen 5000s max 4000 fclk 1:1
Either ripjaw or trident z has thermal sensor i think. If you find a b-die chip, don't pick 3600 cl-16-19-19-39. It is usually hynix C/D-die, not guaranteed b-die. B-die usually has timing 14-14-14, 14-15-15, 14-16-16, 15-15-15, 15-16-16, 16-16-16, 16-17-17, 17-18-18. If the difference of tCL and tRP or tRCD is 3 @3600mhz or above (16-19-19), it will be hynix C/D-die, if the difference is 2 (16-18-18) it will be micron E-die or samsung B-die, if the difference is 1 or 0 (16-17-17 or 16-16-16), it will be samsung B-die. The pattern is same up to 4000+ mhz, but very very rare hynix IC that can be rateng xmp on 4000+. 4000+ mhz is almost usually samsung b-die. If the timing is loose it's mean bad binning or it has micron E-die with good binning

 

[Chomiq]

no but I think that if 3800/4000 becomes the new standard, price swill change and/or new kits will arrive

Nope, sorry. There's a reason why good memory kits are priced like this. Intel platforms were already stable at these speeds and the prices are still high. You need quality dies to run stable at these speeds.

 

[mxking035]

no but I think that if 3800/4000 becomes the new standard, price swill change and/or new kits will arrive

I don't think price will go down. Still DDR3 is same price as DDR4.

Does your ram sits on the right slots? A2 and B2?
Probably your ram can do only max at 3200CL15 or 3600CL18, so no point to OC.
Some people call this downbin B-Die as Scamsung B-Die .

 

[MaurizioC]

but isn't 3200 ram cheaper now that every one is buying 3600 or more?

The memory sits in A2 and B2 slots.

I agree, no point to OC my memory, I will keep it at 16-18-18-36 1T which I believe is not bad for stock speed since it is dual rank .

Anyway while the gskill F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC runs at 3600 with 16-19-19-39 and it is priced 190€ , Crucial BL2K16G36C16U4B runs at 3600 with 16-18-18-38 and is priced 156€

what do you think?

The gskill has temperature sensor while the crucial lacks it (but will this sensor work on my motherboard)?

Gskill has RGB which I hate and I would like to know if turning aura off in the motherboard bios will turn off ram rgb too

 

[Adhyaksa17]

but isn't 3200 ram cheaper now that every one is buying 3600 or more?

The memory sits in A2 and B2 slots.

I agree, no point to OC my memory, I will keep it at 16-18-18-36 1T which I believe is not bad for stock speed since it is dual rank .

Anyway while the gskill F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC runs at 3600 with 16-19-19-39 and it is priced 190€ , Crucial BL2K16G36C16U4B runs at 3600 with 16-18-18-38 and is priced 156€

what do you think?

The gskill has temperature sensor while the crucial lacks it (but will this sensor work on my motherboard)?

Gskill has RGB which I hate and I would like to know if turning aura off in the motherboard bios will turn off ram rgb too

If you no problem with hynix or micron just buy the Crucial BL2K16G36C16U4B runs at 3600 with 16-18-18-38 and is priced 156€. I think the IC is micron rev E

 

[Zach_01]

no but I think that if 3800/4000 becomes the new standard, price swill change and/or new kits will arrive

3800MHz is already a standard with ZEN2. Its just that not all sticks can do it. With ZEN3 probably will be 4000, or maybe 4200.

 

[mxking035]

Anyway while the gskill F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC runs at 3600 with 16-19-19-39 and it is priced 190€ , Crucial BL2K16G36C16U4B runs at 3600 with 16-18-18-38 and is priced 156€

It is same price F4-3600C16D-32GVKC (Hynix DJR/CJR).
The difference is running at 3733/3800 in that crucial, you need to increase timing like 16-19-18-18-38, so they're same.
And btw, in that G.Skill i can boot 16-17-17 but i can't make it stable.

G.Skill (Hynix DJR/CJR)
Crucial (Micron E-Die)

For me I'll choose G.Skill brand and Hynix than Micron E.
But both don't have temp sensor. You have to spend more if you need that.

3800MHz is already a standard with ZEN2. Its just that not all sticks can do it. With ZEN3 probably will be 4000, or maybe 4200.

Also not all cpu is lucky for 1900 fclk , I can do maximum 1866 fclk only.
So I have to run 3733mhz only but it's fine for me.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

3800MHz is already a standard with ZEN2. Its just that not all sticks can do it. With ZEN3 probably will be 4000, or maybe 4200.

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yeah, B-die single rank is too easy to OC up to 3800mhz

 

[Zach_01]

Also not all cpu is lucky for 1900 fclk , I can do maximum 1866 fclk only.

The same belief I had for mine. First I thought mine couldnt do stable above 1833. It turns out I was having the wrong approach, trying to overvolt the IO, VDDP, VDDG parts.
My CPU is bronze rated, by silicon quality. Look again my ZenTimings CPU voltages. Its the RAM sticks that need to pushed. It took me months of trying and testing, with no prev experience.
You have to try DRAMcalc settings to the detail and then maybe fine tune a little more if possible. First I was doing only half of them and use my own thoughts for the other half.

And its not like my sticks are the ultimate quality ones either...

 

[mxking035]

The same belief I had for mine. First I thought mine couldnt do stable above 1833. It turns out I was having the wrong approach, trying to overvolt the IO, VDDP, VDDG parts.

Tried it, even in my previous ram, also tried LLC. My ram can work 3800mhz or even more as I tried to decoupled flck or in Auto and it boots.
So only i suspect the CPU FCLK limit, not sure on my Mobo. Also im using Dram Calculator with preset, not the import.

My cpu is Silver rated. I don't think this rate is related to FCLK. The rating is based on lowest vcore at certain cpu clock.

This the potential of 32GB Ripjaws GVKC: