Advice for 32gb 3600 kit

[MaurizioC]

If you dont want RGB and BIOS has the option to disable them then its the optimal way to do it. I have my share (and others too) of bad luck with this kind of software that must run all times to control RGB, even to keep them off. I have board RGB disabled by BIOS. I dont have RAM sticks with lights so I dont really know whats what there. My GPU also has a MSI dragon logo. I did install MSI's DragonCenter but quicly disable it because it kept messing with GPU drivers for my custom settings and also was keeping CPU from entering idle/low power stages. So I left the GPU logo on.

I read that Gskill RGB should be compatible with asus aura and other vendor RGB systems. For this reason turning off RGB in the bios for the motherboard should turn off the RGB for ram too.
Adhyaksa17 kindly confirmed that for asus. I hope it's the same with other brands.

About the MSI graphic card you can disable led by disconnecting their plug. If you look the PCB you should find a 4 wire connector which is for the gpu fans and 1 or more 2 pin connector for RGB. I detatched them as I hate rgb and I hate even more the messy blotware that cames with rgb and motherboard

 

[tabascosauz]

I read that Gskill RGB should be compatible with asus aura and other vendor RGB systems. For this reason turning off RGB in the bios for the motherboard should turn off the RGB for ram too.
Adhyaksa17 kindly confirmed that for asus. I hope it's the same with other brands.

About the MSI graphic card you can disable led by disconnecting their plug. If you look the PCB you should find a 4 wire connector which is for the gpu fans and 1 or more 2 pin connector for RGB. I detatched them as I hate rgb and I hate even more the messy blotware that cames with rgb and motherboard

That's patently false. Disabling Aura in Asus BIOS has no effect on the RGB Tridents. If you want to control them beyond their default dynamic RGB scheme, you need to use G.skill's utility or another like OpenRGB. Even so, the sticks revert to default on every boot until you login to Windows and your service/application of choice starts.

Maybe if you use Aura software and control them Windows. The BIOS dropdown certainly doesn't work for RAM, and that's why otherwise excellent Trident RGB is so frustrating. B550M TUF Plus here.

If you use Windows fast startup (essentially only ever hibernating and never shutting down) or only sleeping your computer, I can see the RGB control persisting. Otherwise, resets on a proper reboot. In any case, never properly rebooting is a terrible practice when you're overclocking or troubleshooting/testing DRAM.

Furthermore, Asus BIOS Aura control doesn't control shit aside from on/off. If you want to do anything with your RGBs if has to be done through Aura software. This isn't Gigabyte, where you can control your RGBs without bloatware. Even if you choose to use OpenRGB, it still only takes effect at login.

And I don't know who it was that suggested the -GTZNC RGB kit could do 3600 16-18-18. It's CJR or DJR and most definitely cannot, because CJR does not scale below 19 on tRCD/tRP at 3600+, period. At safe daily voltages for CJR, at least (1.45V).

 

[Adhyaksa17]

That's patently false. Disabling Aura in Asus BIOS has no effect on the RGB Tridents. If you want to control them beyond their default dynamic RGB scheme, you need to use G.skill's utility or another like OpenRGB. Even so, the sticks revert to default on every boot until you login to Windows and your service/application of choice starts.

Maybe if you use Aura software and control them Windows. The BIOS dropdown certainly doesn't work for RAM, and that's why otherwise excellent Trident RGB is so frustrating. B550M TUF Plus here.

If you use Windows fast startup (essentially only ever hibernating and never shutting down) or only sleeping your computer, I can see the RGB control persisting. Otherwise, resets on a proper reboot. In any case, never properly rebooting is a terrible practice when you're overclocking or troubleshooting/testing DRAM.

Furthermore, Asus BIOS Aura control doesn't control shit aside from on/off. If you want to do anything with your RGBs if has to be done through Aura software. This isn't Gigabyte, where you can control your RGBs without bloatware. Even if you choose to use OpenRGB, it still only takes effect at login.

And I don't know who it was that suggested the -GTZNC RGB kit could do 3600 16-18-18. It's CJR or DJR and most definitely cannot, because CJR does not scale below 19 on tRCD/tRP at 3600+, period. At safe daily voltages for CJR, at least (1.45V).

I have been installed the armoury crate with aura sync before to control my tridentZ rgb. Then, I turn off my rgb by bios and all of them are turn off. I don't know if the scene you don't installed armoury crate before it will turn off or not. Still, when I truned off my rgb by bios, all CPU usage which control the rgb to be 0%, so this is fine, your pc performance doesn't decrease because of rgb software

 

[mxking035]

Hi, for Hynix C/DJR, the trick to run at 3600 or above changes your tRRDC and tRTP in-range value of 20-21. This IC isn't scaling with voltage. Try it with loose tRRDC or tRTP

Hi, I didn't notice your reply to this. What do you mean tRRDC/tRTP? Do you mean tRCDRD and tRP?
This is my current settings. What do you think I'm missing if you think I can boot CL14?

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Hi, I didn't notice your reply to this. What do you mean tRRDC/tRTP? Do you mean tRCDRD and tRP?
This is my current settings. What do you think I'm missing if you think I can boot CL14?
View attachment 172691

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that tRCD has 2 value for AMD. Yes, I mean tRCDRD and tRP. Change the value around 20-21, because the value is not scaling with voltage. If you still can't boot, then stay with cl16 but tweak again your sub timing. How about set the GDM to enable? maybe you can boot with cl14 if GDM is enable

Hi, I didn't notice your reply to this. What do you mean tRRDC/tRTP? Do you mean tRCDRD and tRP?
This is my current settings. What do you think I'm missing if you think I can boot CL14?
View attachment 172691

Hmm, your kits are a dual rank, right? I don't think that a dual rank hynix can do cl14. So, maybe you keep the setting but tweak your sub timing
You can change the value:
tRCDWR --> 8
tRRDS --> 4
tRRDL --> 6
tWR --> 12 or 14 or 16
tCWL --> 12 or 14
tWRRD --> 3 optimal for dual rank
If you have been stable with the secondary timing, go back to the tRAS and tRC
tRAS maybe you can change around 28-32 and tRC around 50-54

Or maybe you can try to 3800mhz, this article maybe can help you. Hynix DJR need changing the value of tRCDRD [21] tRC [58] @ 3800Mhz

Micron Rev.E 8/16Gbit vs Rev.J & Hynix DJR 8Gbit

www.overclock.net

 

[Zach_01]

I would also skip the CL14 idea.
And probably wouldn’t try something below 17 for the rest for speeds more than 3600 and close to 3800.

examples:
16-17-17-17-34-51
16-17-17-17-36-53
16-18-18-18-36-54
16-18-18-18-38-56

Also tFAW should be x4~6 of tRRDS
If
tRRDS: 5
tFAW: 20/25/30

 

[Adhyaksa17]

I would also skip the CL14 idea.
And probably wouldn’t try something below 17 for the rest for speeds more than 3600 and close to 3800.

examples:
16-17-17-17-34-51
16-17-17-17-36-53
16-18-18-18-36-54
16-18-18-18-38-56

Also tFAW should be x4~6 of tRRDS
If
tRRDS: 5
tFAW: 20/25/30

I don't think that Hynix CJD or DJR dan stable with tRCDRD or tRP under 19. The chip is not rated the tRCDRD or tRP under 19 @3600mhz or above

 

[mxking035]

tRCDWR --> 8
tRRDS --> 4
tRRDL --> 6
tWR --> 12 or 14 or 16
tCWL --> 12 or 14
tWRRD --> 3 optimal for dual rank
If you have been stable with the secondary timing, go back to the tRAS and tRC
tRAS maybe you can change around 28-32 and tRC around 50-54

Micron Rev.E 8/16Gbit vs Rev.J & Hynix DJR 8Gbit

www.overclock.net

Thanks.

Yes this is dual rank.
I can actually boot 3800mhz but not with fclk 1900. Maybe my CPU can't or Mobo
I tried also GDM off and even at loose timings like 16-21-21-21-42 for CL14 but cant boot.

RCDWR --> 8 (I will try this)
tRRDS/tRRDL --> 4-6 (5-5) actually give me better result than 4-6 or 4-5
tWR --> 12 or 14 or 16 (can do until 14 but 18 give me better bandwidth)
tCWL --> 12 or 14 (my bios doesn't not allow me to put 14, don't know why, It keeps coming back to 16)
tWRRD --> 3 optimal for dual rank (I will try this)

I would also skip the CL14 idea.
And probably wouldn’t try something below 17 for the rest for speeds more than 3600 and close to 3800.
examples:
16-17-17-17-34-51
16-17-17-17-36-53
16-18-18-18-36-54
16-18-18-18-38-56
Also tFAW should be x4~6 of tRRDS
If
tRRDS: 5
tFAW: 20/25/30

Thanks.

16-17-17-17-34-51 (tried and can boot but not stable even at higher voltage)
16-17-17-17-36-53 same above
16-18-18-18-36-54 same above
16-18-18-18-38-56 same above

I'm familiar with x4~6 of tRRDS, but at x4, I lose bandwidth while same latency.
Tried 16, 20, 24, 30. I prefer even numbers and 24 gives me better bandwith.
It does not actually necessary to be exact multiple as long as within x4-6 range.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

Thanks.

Yes this is dual rank.
I can actually boot 3800mhz but not with fclk 1900. Maybe my CPU can't or Mobo
I tried also GDM off and even at loose timings like 16-21-21-21-42 for CL14 but cant boot.

RCDWR --> 8 (I will try this)
tRRDS/tRRDL --> 4-6 (5-5) actually give me better result than 4-6 or 4-5
tWR --> 12 or 14 or 16 (can do until 14 but 18 give me better bandwidth)
tCWL --> 12 or 14 (my bios doesn't not allow me to put 14, don't know why, It keeps coming back to 16)
tWRRD --> 3 optimal for dual rank (I will try this)


Thanks.

16-17-17-17-34-51 (tried and can boot but not stable even at higher voltage)
16-17-17-17-36-53 same above
16-18-18-18-36-54 same above
16-18-18-18-38-56 same above

I'm familiar with x4~6 of tRRDS, but at x4, I lose bandwidth while same latency.
Tried 16, 20, 24, 30. I prefer even numbers and 24 gives me better bandwith.
It does not actually necessary to be exact multiple as long as within x4-6 range.
View attachment 172710

Yeah, you know well your memory. It is a massive copy bandwidth with 3733cl16. Since it is dual rank, the latency slightly worse, maybe you will get about 64 ns with a single rank
I think you got your limit at your memory and me too haha
Maybe we must buy a kits memory again to OC other memories, especially with other IC like micron rev E maybe or J-die :v

 

[mxking035]

Yeah, you know well your memory. It is a massive copy bandwidth with 3733cl16. Since it is dual rank, the latency slightly worse, maybe you will get about 64 ns with a single rank
I think you got your limit at your memory and me too haha
Maybe we must buy a kits memory again to OC other memories, especially with other IC like micron rev E maybe or J-die :v

I guess so its alread at limit.
I retry again all your recommendation and Zach_01. So far no gains

You're one already so fast . I'm planning now to buy same your kit timing but at 32GB Dual.

 

[Adhyaksa17]

I guess so its alread at limit.
I retry again all your recommendation and Zach_01. So far no gains

You're one already so fast . I'm planning now to buy same your kit timing but at 32GB Dual.

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Yeah, hope you get a good IC and PCB. Some articles say that 4 x SR (single rank) is better than 2 x DR (dual rank). So, if you wanna buy, maybe better to pick 4x8gb kit, but it is just an article said, I don't know the truth. Still IC and PCB are a lottery, good luck.

 

[mxking035]

Yeah, hope you get a good IC and PCB. Some articles say that 4 x SR (single rank) is better than 2 x DR (dual rank). So, if you wanna buy, maybe better to pick 4x8gb kit, but it is just an article said, I don't know the truth. Still IC and PCB are a lottery, good luck.

I'm aiming for future 64GB when I upgrade for mobo that's why I need 16gb/kit. For now just using for hobby not real work.
Just waiting for better time like MaurizioC

Your right still lottery plays .

 

[MaurizioC]

I registered on gskill fourm and after searching I have read that now the only way to control RGB is by windows software. So all rgb stick are not existing anymore for me

 

[mxking035]

I registered on gskill fourm and after searching I have read that now the only way to control RGB is by windows software. So all rgb stick are not existing anymore for me

You can still grab some non-RGB G.Skill with 3200 14-14-14-34 or 4000mhz 17-18-18-38, it will perform almost same i think.

3200mhz 14-14-14-34

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4000mhz 17-18-18-38

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[Adhyaksa17]

You can still grab some non-RGB G.Skill with 3200 14-14-14-34 or 4000mhz 17-18-18-38, it will perform almost same i think.

3200mhz 14-14-14-34

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4000mhz 17-18-18-38

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Yes, maybe they have almost a same performance if the IC and PCB are the same

Hi, I have an issue with thaiphoon burner when detected my kits. Previously, thaiphoon detect my module is A1 10 layer. However, If I check manually, my stick have a A2 PCB not A1 like the thaiphoon burner said. Maybe you can check manually if you wanna buy a kits. Thaiphoon burner is not 100% true.
Some articles say that A1 or A2 are not difference if you running under 4000mhz, but if you want to run 4000Mhz or above, A2 is better

 

[MaurizioC]

I would like a kit running at 3600 with low timings + 1T + dual rank

F4-3600C16D-32GVKC would be fine but it's slower than the crucial and appears to BE 2T

The 4000 kit is not available yet in Italy but I believe it will cost double the 3600..

 

[Adhyaksa17]

I would like a kit running at 3600 with low timings + 1T + dual rank

F4-3600C16D-32GVKC would be fine but it's slower than the crucial and appears to BE 2T

The 4000 kit is not available yet in Italy but I believe it will cost double the 3600..

Nope, I think F4-3600C16D-32GVKC is pretty good choice. Good luck, hope you get a good IC and PCB

 

[mxking035]

I would like a kit running at 3600 with low timings + 1T + dual rank
F4-3600C16D-32GVKC would be fine but it's slower than the crucial and appears to BE 2T

This is what I'm using.
Which is Disabled GDM at 1T.

 

[MaurizioC]

This is what I'm using.
Which is Disabled GDM at 1T.

GDM?

 

[mxking035]

Here are some statistics from excel I seen somewhere but forgot where, I just copied the sheet.

I filter for you only 2x16 GB Dual Rank.

GDM?

Gear Down Mode, some rams can hardly disabled GDM especially in tighter timings.
Sometimes required higher vDram/procODT/CadBus or trade some timings.

By disabling GDM you can gain instant 0.5 less latency.

I traded my GDM disabled by increasing tRP +1 while no additional voltage/procODT/Cadbus .

 

[MaurizioC]

I checked and I have GDM enabled. Can I try disabled it? Shall I raise voltage to do so?

Can you link that excel for me to study?

 

[mxking035]

I checked and I have GDM enabled. Can I try disabled it? Shall I raise voltage to do so?
Can you link that excel for me to study?

When you disable, try not to raise anything and check if it boots and stable.
Otherwise add some procODT/CadBus(60-20-24-24) or Dram voltage.


someone share this, forgot who. Edit: I rembered it was examen1996

Overclocking statistics for Zen systems

docs.google.com

this one forgot also where I collected from.

Dram.xlsx

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[MaurizioC]

thank you