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Actually more like long live physical cash.

well yes but that is one thing that aint gonna happen.. cash or the ability to spend your own money freely is the main thing they want to get rid off..

trog

ps.. its all tied in with negative interest rates they need to lock your money into the banking system.. being able to withdraw "cash" kind of buggers this up..

the odd thing is the people crying for more government control dont quite realize what they are actually crying for.. he he
 
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that's what I was thinking. so many people get by in life just by doing odd jobs helping a friend move and getting paid in $20 cash, etc. cash just makes it easier.

In a country like America, if you announced a no cash based system, I would be very surprised if you don't get voted out of office in a recall and replaced with someone who is for cash in the next cycle.

It would be political suicide. lol and it wouldn't change anything because it would get reversed in 4 years. so yeah, nothing to worry about there.

I agree with the sentiment, but most people believe crypto \ blockchain is somehow inherently anonymous.

Very few people realize that blockchain, the underlying tech, is in fact a database that forever keeps track of all transactions. That simple fact would probably scare people off, but how many even know that? Moreover, by being a distributed database it's persistent forever, you can't go blow up a server somewhere and wipe those transactions out.

But there's nothing about blockchain that enhances anonymity and secrecy - it's just the opposite. The only thing keeping anyone anonymous is not being connected to their wallet. Once you're connected to that wallet, everything is laid bare.

well yes but that is one thing that aint gonna happen.. cash or the ability to spend your own money freely is the main thing they want to get rid off..

trog

ps.. its all tied in with negative interest rates they need to lock your money into the banking system.. being able to withdraw "cash" kind of buggers this up..

the odd thing is the people crying for more government control dont quite realize what they are actually crying for.. he he

There are (false) points on this that people will buy into on both sides of the political spectrum.

It will help them stop crime, kinda hard to be criminal selling meth or some such when paying for that big shipment requires a completely trackable transaction. Steal something like say a car, part it out and go sell the parts? Well, here's the IRS asking what all these little deposits from random people are.

Now, rich people hiding their money or not paying taxes - that's gonna be hard too.

So on the one hand you can say you'll catch all the evil criminals. On the other hand you can say you'll tax all the evil rich. In reality it'll be as @lynx29 said, the guy doing work on the side mowing someone's lawn for an extra 30 bucks or fixing someone's hot water heater for 100 bucks are the ones that'll take the hit - not to mention the people paying them. No, you'll need to either figure out how to do it yourself or pay a big company to do it for you.

Oh, wait, did you buy a hot water heater and install it yourself?

Did you get a permit for that? ... .... .....
 
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I won't be. It's kind of like the apocalypse or end times: folks keep predicting the end/collapse, and it stubbornly refuses to show up in an appropriately timely fashion. Then the date gets moved. That's not to say it won't collapse at some point; that possibility is very real.

The quote from the linked article that stuck out to me was:



Now, I don't know what the Bank for International Settlement does or if we should care about its opinion, but the bolded text is a nice encapsulation of the current state of crypto IMO. Advocates will say that the transition from speculative asset to legitimate and widespread means of exchange is coming, but I remain skeptical, at least on any near-term timescale. If it does happen, it probably won't be Bitcoin or any of the existing altcoins, but a newly developed companion or replacement for established currencies like the greenback, euro, yuan and yen.
The thing with predicting the apocalypse, a term that is chronically misunderstood and incorrectly used to refer to a time period, is that those same predictors fail to realize that it is imminent & occurs within a specific "season" of time without warning. As with the crypto-currency market, by the time individuals heavily invested in it recognize a crash for what it is, it will already be too late.
 
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that's what I was thinking. so many people get by in life just by doing odd jobs helping a friend move and getting paid in $20 cash, etc. cash just makes it easier.

In a country like America, if you announced a no cash based system, I would be very surprised if you don't get voted out of office in a recall and replaced with someone who is for cash in the next cycle.

It would be political suicide. lol and it wouldn't change anything because it would get reversed in 4 years. so yeah, nothing to worry about there.
To be honest, it would be stupid anywhere
 
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Just checked the stats... The plunge continues...

no it dosnt its leveled off just above 31K.. come tomorrow it will be back up to around 34K pretty much keeping in the narrow band i thought it would..

plunge my arse.. he he he

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Once again, look at the 7day, 30day and 3 month trends.

it dosnt matter what you look at lex.. the plunge (from the peak) is not continuing.. it stopped at around 30K and has been going sideways in a narrow band ever since..

from here it may go down further or it may go up.. nobody knows for sure.. i think it will go up and you "hope" it will go down.. :)

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it dosnt matter what you look at lex.. the plunge (from the peak) is not continuing..
What? Are you blind?

Visit, read, learn. That is all.
 
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its gone down a little more overnight.. i didnt think it would but it has..

30/31K is seen as the critical support level.. we will see what the end of the day brings..

lex and his plunge may well continue.. :)

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This will keep crashing litle by little then will crash a lot, people buying it now will regret very soon.
 
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Government stimulus is running down and therefore so goes the crypto "market". It's really as simple as that?

You can pretty much plot the free money hand outs with the price rise and fall.
 
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Comon' 31.1 is not a purge, switch to weekly and watch the flats, stability is important when trading is high.

lex picks whatever time period suits his crypto negative agenda the best.. but so far bitcoin is still holding above 31K nicely..

bitcoin is being traded between 31 and 35K.. the pattern is quite obvious.. the support and resistance levels are quite strong.. i think it could stay this way for quite some time..

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lex picks whatever time period suits his crypto negative agenda the best.. but so far bitcoin is still holding above 31K nicely..

bitcoin is being traded between 31 and 35K.. the pattern is quite obvious.. the support and resistance levels are quite strong.. i think it could stay this way for quite some time..

trog

Lol

This is from Coindesk this morning - repeating the same thing we've been saying all week!
  • Upside remains limited given the downward sloping 50-day moving average, showing added resistance at $40,000.
  • The relative strength index (RSI), however, registered a series of higher lows, which means the two-month downtrend is slowing as buyers return.
  • Bitcoin remains stuck in a range between $30,000 and $40,000 with no clear signs of an ultimate price low. The weekly chart is not yet oversold, meaning sellers remain in control despite short-term relief rallies.
 
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lex and his plunge may well continue.. :)
"My" plunge? :laugh: :kookoo:
Comon' 31.1 is not a purge, switch to weekly and watch the flats, stability is important when trading is high.
Absolute rubbish! Dropping 13.6% and 21.8% inside of a week and 20.1% and 36.9% in a month is a valuation "plunge" by ANYONES standard, regardless of market.
lex picks whatever time period suits his crypto negative agenda the best.. but so far bitcoin is still holding above 31K nicely..

bitcoin is being traded between 31 and 35K.. the pattern is quite obvious.. the support and resistance levels are quite strong.. i think it could stay this way for quite some time..
Aww, that was adorable. Strike a nerve did I? :slap:
Lol

This is from Coindesk this morning - repeating the same thing we've been saying all week!
  • Upside remains limited given the downward sloping 50-day moving average, showing added resistance at $40,000.
  • The relative strength index (RSI), however, registered a series of higher lows, which means the two-month downtrend is slowing as buyers return.
  • Bitcoin remains stuck in a range between $30,000 and $40,000 with no clear signs of an ultimate price low. The weekly chart is not yet oversold, meaning sellers remain in control despite short-term relief rallies.
Oh Coindesk? I wonder what THEIR charts look like?
Hmm, what a shocker.

The plunge continues...
 
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"My" plunge? :laugh: :kookoo:

Absolute rubbish! Dropping 13.6% and 21.8% inside of a week and 20.1% and 36.9% in a month is a valuation "plunge" by ANYONES standard, regardless of market.

Aww, that was adorable. Strike a nerve did I? :slap:

Oh Coindesk? I wonder what THEIR charts look like?
Hmm, what a shocker.

The plunge continues...

So "Bitcoin remains stuck in a range" is a purge.

Okay!!
Although it sounds like lamentations from someone who's purchased a little too much Bitcoin for comfort.

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not much plunging going on at the moment.. another day and bitcoin is still going sideways at just below 33K...

a 1 year chart shows it up by 260% and a 3 year chart up by 425%.. make of this what you will..

anybody in it long term would love to see another "plunge" it means they can accumulate more at a lower price.. :)

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That 40 to 64k looks unreal.

View attachment 205616

What's amazing about that chart is how symmetrical it is thus far.

My guess here is that it will not remain symmetrical.

In the end it will probably look like pretty much every other market in existence has looked during a fall. Note the similarities in these charts below. There is a fairly large counter-trend (up) rally in each case, followed by a long final decline.

This is essentially why I'm saying, a rally from here on BTC will probably be followed by a plunge and then a slower and longer decline. The big difference with BTC is that it moves much faster than these other markets.

Nevertheless, it will likely have the same pattern and you're probably looking at another year or so of pain for BTC - perhaps much more. Keep in mind it took a decade ore more for the NASDAQ and Nikkei to fully unwind.

Here is the Nikkei 225 in 1989-1992, 60% drop. The Nikkei actually did not bottom until 2008, 19 years after the top.



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And the 2000 .com implosion on the NASDAQ, 75% drop. The NASDAQ also very nearly hit its 2003 lows again in 2009, with no new high. Factor in inflation and the stock market was a big loser for a decade.


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I see the Plunge is taking place..

Fiat is Fraud anybody?

 
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bitcoin up 5.5% at just under 35K and eth up 11.5% at 2050..

"the plunge continues".. he he

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