Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[MxPhenom 216]

oof, if only I had seen this memory when i bought the teamgroup stuff. Hoping i can dial in the teamgroup stuff to match those Royal Elites.

G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Elite Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14D-32GTESA - Newegg.com

 

[freeagent]

500 bucks

 

[MxPhenom 216]

500 bucks

$500? I see $399 if its sold by Newegg and not a third party. but its out of stock.

What are people usually running for 2 sticks of dual rank for CR? 1 or 2?

 

[freeagent]

$500? I see $399 if its sold by Newegg and not a third party. but its out of stock.

What are people usually running for 2 sticks of dual rank for CR? 1 or 2?

I am in Canada and the link opened in my app

 

[tabascosauz]

oof, if only I had seen this memory when i bought the teamgroup stuff. Hoping i can dial in the teamgroup stuff to match those Royal Elites.

G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Elite Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14D-32GTESA - Newegg.com

It's the same bin though. Are you just after the aesthetics? That's a hefty tax for the Royals heatspreader, same XMP Ripjaws/RGB/Neo/Royals should be binned the same. No reason why Team should be worse

If you can do flat 14 at 1.42V like mine I'd say you're doing pretty well for yourself

Awhile ago I tested GDM 1T vs plain 2T on both my 5900X and 4650G - I think 2T was slightly better in some benchmarks on my 4650G and worse latency on my 5900X. I'm just running GDM at the moment. It's a very minor difference.

 

[freeagent]

1.45 is good for me, I just set 1.425 and about to let er rip hopefully she goes. 1T GDM..

 

[MxPhenom 216]

It's the same bin though. Are you just after the aesthetics? That's a hefty tax for the Royals heatspreader, same XMP Ripjaws/RGB/Neo/Royals should be binned the same. No reason why Team should be worse

If you can do flat 14 at 1.42V like mine I'd say you're doing pretty well for yourself

Awhile ago I tested GDM 1T vs plain 2T on both my 5900X and 4650G - I think 2T was slightly better in some benchmarks on my 4650G and worse latency on my 5900X. I'm just running GDM at the moment. It's a very minor difference.

Yeah I suspect my Teamgroups are binned the same as most of these G. SKill kits considering they are their 14-15-15-35 1.45v kit.

 

[tabascosauz]

Yeah I suspect my Teamgroups are binned the same as most of these G. SKill kits considering they are their 14-15-15-35 1.45v kit.

Quite honestly I should have taken the advice of others and saved $25 on the Ripjaws instead. Same bin, no need to run the bullshit RGB software at every bootup. I was just put off by some reviews on the Newegg page saying that the shitty Ripjaws heatspreader didn't make contact with half the chips on one side and G.skill CS response that temps of 56C were "normal". I guess I just let it get to me.

My final daily timings:



3733 didn't work out either. It was looking good until the Bus/Interconnect WHEAs started again. On one 3800 config I tried it was spitting WHEAs like new benjamins out of the Federal Treasury. The B-die is clearly capable (really tempted to pop in the APU right now to see what it can do), but CPU is garbage.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Quite honestly I should have taken the advice of others and saved $25 on the Ripjaws instead. Same bin, no need to run the bullshit RGB software at every bootup. I was just put off by some reviews on the Newegg page saying that the shitty Ripjaws heatspreader didn't make contact with half the chips on one side and G.skill CS response that temps of 56C were "normal". I guess I just let it get to me.

My final daily timings:

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3733 didn't work out either. It was looking good until the Bus/Interconnect WHEAs started again. On one 3800 config I tried it was spitting WHEAs like new benjamins out of the Federal Treasury. The B-die is clearly capable (really tempted to pop in the APU right now to see what it can do), but CPU is garbage.

Are there any rules for the voltage settings for Ryzen 5xxx?

 

[freeagent]

For 1866 you might have to come up on your Vddg iod+ccd, as well as cldo vddp and soc.

 

[tabascosauz]

Are there any rules for the voltage settings for Ryzen 5xxx?

For 1866 you might have to come up on your Vddg iod+ccd, as well as cldo vddp and soc.

You could try leaving it to the board to set. If WHEAs persist, VDDP 0.90-0.95V, VDDG-IOD up to 0.05V below VSOC, VDDG-CCD probably around 1.0V or less.

That's the idea at least. Lately there's been more people recommending all 4 (VSOC, CCD, IOD, VDDP) as low as possible, like sub-0.9V for VDDP, both VDDGs below 1.0V. But going higher hasn't helped me and neither has going lower.

I'm gonna try board defaults next - it sets both VDDGs to 1.1V. Which makes zero sense as VSOC is 1.1V and theoretically the VDDGs must be at least 0.04V less than VSOC as they derive from it. If all fails I'll bump VSOC a little to satisfy the rule. VDDP supposedly derives from VDIMM instead, not sure how that relationship works as I've never gone past 0.95V.

 

[freeagent]

But going higher hasn't helped me and neither has going lower

I just let the board handle it up to 1866, to get 1900 I have to adjust them slightly to get it stable. It’s really not much of an adjustment really. Just telling it what to actually set.. so it can make up its mind I guess.. with just a slight bump to keep the interconnects happy but the big one for me is soc @ 1900. It doesn’t want to set more than 1.1v on its own when it needs 1.125v. Anything over 1900 fclk with my sample will probably never be stable. It throws whea’s right away. Streams them live

 

[tabascosauz]

It throws whea’s right away. Streams them live

its a bit like putting a stack of bills into the ATM and watching it count them and every second the number on the screen goes up, but instead of bank balance increasing your cpu is just steadily going to shit

I'll try higher VSOC we'll see what happens

 

[freeagent]

Just an observation.. TM5 has been running for about an hour and a half now, and I have noticed overall cpu temps are down a bit running low vdimm of 1.425. It could just be in my head though. I could have sworn my black and whites needed more juice than my Royals, but it could have been the cpu.. since this is my third on this platform now.. and god knows how many different bios I have had. Probably 8-10 flashes already. Just like back in the tic tac bios days with the NF7-S

 

[tabascosauz]

Just an observation.. TM5 has been running for about an hour and a half now, and I have noticed overall cpu temps are down a bit running low vdimm of 1.425. It could just be in my head though. I could have sworn my black and whites needed more juice than my Royals, but it could have been the cpu.. since this is my third on this platform now.. and god knows how many different bios I have had. Probably 8-10 flashes already. Just like back in the tic tac bios days with the NF7-S

I really need to remember to stop relying so much on my C14S for airflow. Put a puny A9x14 next to the board and that knocked 6.5 degrees off the DIMMs during HCI, now under 45C

Things seem all right so far at 3800, probably erroring out earlier was either from hitting 50C or not enough VSOC (first time I ever saw error thrown in memtest at the same time as Bus/Interconnect in Windows).

 

[freeagent]

Yup I agree, wow 50c really? Impressive

Well it ran 3 passes at 1.425.. I missed the end because I was outside making sure my kids don't drown in the pool

Action:

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[tabascosauz]

So far stable up to 100% in HCI and no WHEAs in testing or games. 3800 14-15-15 @ 1.5V, 1.125V VSOC

I'll run a couple TM5, overnight HCI tonight, and keep an eye on the IF



There is still one thing I disagree with buildzoid on: running 4/4/16/4/8/10 is not free. I've 4 kits where 4/4/16/4/8/10 costs extra VDIMM to stabilize over 4/6/16/4/12/12 for negligible performance gain, usually 100-200mV. By contrast tRTP and tRFC each make a much bigger difference

 

[freeagent]

Nice and tight

 

[MxPhenom 216]

So far stable up to 100% in HCI and no WHEAs in testing or games. 3800 14-15-15 @ 1.5V, 1.125V VSOC

I'll run a couple TM5, overnight HCI tonight, and keep an eye on the IF

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There is still one thing I disagree with buildzoid on: running 4/4/16/4/8/10 is not free. I've 4 kits where 4/4/16/4/8/10 costs extra VDIMM to stabilize over 4/6/16/4/12/12 for negligible performance gain, usually 100-200mV. By contrast tRTP and tRFC each make a much bigger difference

3800 14-15-15 is sweet. Are you running GDM? I have no idea what it is, but sounds like people run it most of the time.

 

[tabascosauz]

Yup I agree, wow 50c really? Impressive

Well it ran 3 passes at 1.425.. I missed the end because I was outside making sure my kids don't drown in the pool

Did you finally waterblock your dimms or am I missing something here? How did they peak at only 33 in TM5? Even the CPU is getting up in the 70s like expected

3800 14-15-15 is sweet. Are you running GDM? I have no idea what it is, but sounds like people run it most of the time.

Geardown Mode, it's like a middle ground between 1T and 2T that doesn't exist on Intel. Theoretically it's like 1.5T when enabled but in reality probably closer to 2T. Both GDM and 2T are much more stable than pure 1T, so it's really personal preference between the two if you've tested and found little performance difference between the two.

edit: seems to matter a bit more to this kit than my others, i guess run gdm if stable

 

[freeagent]

I think I can only do 3400 flat 14s 1T gdm off. It’s been awhile since I played with it.

Did you finally waterblock your dimms or am I missing something here? How did they peak at only 33 in TM5? Even the CPU is getting up in the 70s like expected

This should explain it..

July 24, 2021 - YouTube

Edit:

Not sure why it sounds so quiet, not like the raw video.

Edit:

I set TM5 to run 6 passes over night @ 1900 flat 14s@ 1.525v and it failed with 10 errors. Its close. But I am not going to push.. temps were fine too. @ around 37c.

 

[Nordic]

5950x installed!

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor
CPU VID: 1133
CPU TEL: 1086
Max temperature: 65°
Energy efficient: 4.03
Your CPU is SILVER SAMPLE
Recomended CCX delta: 75
Theoretical maximum CCX delta: 100
Recomended values for overclocking (P1 profile):
Reference voltage: 1050 mV
Reference frequency: 4100 MHz
Recomended values for overclocking (P2 profile):
Reference voltage: 1250 mV
Reference frequency: 4450 MHz
Recomended values for undervolting:
Reference voltage: 1000 mV
Reference frequency: 4000 MHz

 

[Tomgang]

Allright time has come to ask for advice. I´m new to overclock AMD Zen 3 CPU and i need a little help to let my 5950X stretch it´s legs full out with out being power limit.

The hardware we talk about is: Ryzen 9 5950X in a Asus Dark Hero X570 board with bios version 3401 and Noctua NH-D15 cooler. At the max power levels i can aget now, the CPU hovering at around 70C while stock is 50C bofh with full fan speed and read by ryzen master.

The problem is the EDC limit right now. I have tried different settings in bios. All depending on settings it is either the stock EDC limit of 140 amp, 200 amp max and i can´t get above it neither with ryzen master or in bios or it just sits a 0 amp with Cpu sems back to stock watt on the other two power limits despite they sit at 300 watt for PPT and 255 amp for TDC while EDC is 0 amp. So if i exsample set EDC in bios to 230 amp, ryzen master still shows 200 amp.

I have different image below of the different amp i can get in EDC. But what i seek is a way to by pass the maximum 200 amp EDC i can go to now, so the 5950X can go all out for some benchmark, if it´s
even possible.
Stock

200 amp EDC limit i can´t figure out to bypass and that limits my bench scores as i hit EDC limit at 100 %

Here it is with the 0 amp in EDC and the CPU seems to go back to run stock even throw the other limits are higher than stock

 

[freeagent]

Maybe try to enable pbo advanced in bios and then go back to windows and try? I only used RM a few times because I didn’t like it.

 

[Tomgang]

Maybe try to enable pbo advanced in bios and then go back to windows and try? I only used RM a few times because I didn’t like it.

That is all ready tried and dosent work. It set to advance right now.