Will you buy Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB or XTX 24 GB?

[kapone32]

Why a source? You need an official confession from AMD that they no longer will release any graphics cards? Well, after looking at AMD for all those years, this is the most natural event that could happen next.
How many generations are AMD allowed to skip without paying the ultimate price - to lose their existence in the market?


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The fact that they have gone to chiplet design belies everything you are saying. I can't wait for my block to arrive so I can take my card apart and compare it to the 6500XT. If my suspicions are right AMD could be giving us at least 5 more class of cards.

 

[Vya Domus]

And put RX 7900 XT at $599 to try to attach more attention from potential buyers.

Lmao, what the hell.

Why should AMD price the 7900 XT at 600$ when Nvidia is selling a card that is only 15% faster in rasterization(4080) and it would literally be twice as expensive, that's ludicrous. Just because Nvidia has idiotic astronomical prices that does not mean AMD should be undercutting them by almost half, they're not a charity and they need to make money to stay in business.

It boggles my mind how you people still expect AMD to drop prices when clearly Nvidia are the ones with worse performance/dollar.

 

[ARF]

That rumour aged like milk. The 5700XT is much faster than a GTX 1080. At 1440p, The GTX 1080 is 12% slower than the 2060 Super while the 5700XT is 13% faster than the latter. This makes the 5700XT nearly 30% faster than the GTX 1080.

RX 5700 XT was a RTX 2070 competitor which was more efficient, Radeon lost that battle - 225 watts vs 175 watts only for the nvidia card..
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

Lmao, what the hell.

Why should AMD price the 7900 XT at 600$ when Nvidia is selling a card that is only 15% faster in rasterization(4080) and it would literally be twice as expensive, that's ludicrous. Just because Nvidia has idiotic astronomical prices that does not mean AMD should be undercutting them by almost half, they're not a charity and they need to make money to stay in business.

It boggles my mind how you people still expect AMD to drop prices when clearly Nvidia are the ones with worse performance/dollar.

Because the difference to much cheaper RX 6800 XT is equivalent or similar to non-existent.
You buy RX 6800 XT, get the same performance and save quite a lot !

And because progress !

How many times people have to explain to you that if companies don't offer faster replacements, we would have already seen a 10,000$ GFX !

 

[shovenose]

The 7900XT would fly off the shelves at $100 cheaper than its current price I think.

 

[phanbuey]

honestly AMD and Nvidias 'budget' range is so garbage that the 4080 and 7900xt actually look better since the launch of the 4070ti. I expect both of them to continue this into the 4060 and 7800 ranges and below.

 

[kapone32]

RX 5700 XT was a RTX 2070 competitor which was more efficient, Radeon lost that battle - 225 watts vs 175 watts only for the nvidia card..
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database



Because the difference to much cheaper RX 6800 XT is equivalent or similar to non-existent.
You buy RX 6800 XT, get the same performance and save quite a lot !

And because progress !

Do you honestly believe that the 6800XT can compete with the 7900XT? You are obviously trolling as no Nvidia card can touch the 6500XT or 6600M when it comes to power/performance.

The 7900XT would fly off the shelves at $100 cheaper than its current price I think.

The only reason it is not selling is the $100 difference is the reverse of the 6900Xt vs the 6800XT.

 

[ARF]

Do you honestly believe that the 6800XT can compete with the 7900XT?

Everyone and their dog now knows that the 7900 XT is a rebranded 7800 XT and considerably underperforms.

 

[AnotherReader]

Do you honestly believe that the 6800XT can compete with the 7900XT? You are obviously trolling as no Nvidia card can touch the 6500XT or 6600M when it comes to power/performance.
The only reason it is not selling is the $100 difference is the reverse of the 6900Xt vs the 6800XT.

The relatively high price of the 7900XT when compared to the 7900XTX suggests that AMD's yields for the full die are very high. This high price is an attempt to only use defective dies for the 7900XT and not to fuse off perfectly functional dies.

 

[ARF]

The relatively high price of the 7900XT when compared to the 7900XTX suggests that AMD's yields for the full die are very high. This high price is an attempt to only use defective dies for the 7900XT and not to fuse off perfectly functional dies.

For this product positioning, they could have been smarter to use the smaller die - Navi 32 for RX "7900" XT.

 

[AnotherReader]

RX 5700 XT was a RTX 2070 competitor which was more efficient, Radeon lost that battle - 225 watts vs 175 watts only for the nvidia card..

The rumour was about the GTX 1080 not the RTX 2070 which didn't even exist at the time. TPU's review of the 5700 XT shows a peak gaming power consumption of 203 W for the 2070 and 227 W for the 5700 XT. Given that the 5700 XT is a little faster now, the difference is minimal. In any case, the rumour was about absolute performance and proven to be false.

For this product positioning, they could have been smarter to use the smaller die - Navi 32 for RX "7900" XT.

If Navi 32 has the same clocks as Navi 31, then it is going to be significantly slower than the 7900 XT.

 

[ARF]

If Navi 32 has the same clocks as Navi 31, then it is going to be significantly slower than the 7900 XT.

This means that AMD is about to screw the whole product line under 7900 series. The upcoming 7800, if ever released?, will be about RX 6800/6900/6950 and nothing more. In true words - a dishonest rebrand !

 

[shovenose]

The relatively high price of the 7900XT when compared to the 7900XTX suggests that AMD's yields for the full die are very high. This high price is an attempt to only use defective dies for the 7900XT and not to fuse off perfectly functional dies.

That makes sense, plus yields will get better over time, so you have a point. On the other hand, 20GB vs 24GB cost savings is not nothing, and reducing the price of the 7900XT by $100 would be a way for them to claw back some marketshare.

 

[kapone32]

Everyone and their dog now knows that the 7900 XT is a rebranded 7800 XT and considerably underperforms.

Using that video. Which is very contrary to the review on TPU. Quoting the narrative to me is kind of foolish when I already have a 6800XT and gave my impression vs RDNA3 but you can reference a video and feel that you are vindicated? Give me real evidence.

 

[ARF]

Using that video. Which is very contrary to the review on TPU. Quoting the narrative to me is kind of foolish when I already have a 6800XT and gave my impression vs RDNA3 but you can reference a video and feel that you are vindicated? Give me real evidence.

My perspective, if you respect it. I think 7900 XT is not worth it the efforts - too expensive for what it really is.
I see AMD's greed, but there should be a logical border and sense how much money they want to make out of this.
Currently, it is fifth or forth fastest GFX, and costs a grand. Come on, not that many months ago the fastest GFX were a grand !

 

[kapone32]

The relatively high price of the 7900XT when compared to the 7900XTX suggests that AMD's yields for the full die are very high. This high price is an attempt to only use defective dies for the 7900XT and not to fuse off perfectly functional dies.

Chiplets is the key my friend. Cost will come down as those chiplets get put into everything. Have you even looked at pictures of the Card? The IO die is the largest piece and all of those Cores are not very large. They will be able to configure future cards by removing or adding chiplets. That means a whole lot of savings. We should not look at lower AMD cards on this node as failed dies but chiplet count in my opinion.

My perspective, if you respect it. I think 7900 XT is not worth it the efforts - too expensive for what it really is.
I see AMD's greed, but there should be a logical border and sense how much money they want to make out of this.
Currently, it is fifth or forth fastest GFX, and costs a grand. Come on, not that many months ago the fastest GFX were a grand !

Yeah I hear that too like a 3050 for $500. Now let's get back to reality. The only cards faster than the 7900XT are the 4080, 4090 and 7900XT. I would like to see the world where 3090s much less 3090TIs were $1000. It is irrelevant though because once the noise from this cooler debacle ends AMD will become more relevant and the 6000 series chips could dominate the budget market. Could anything beat a 6700XT for $299? Please say the 3060 but that card is over $500 and will remain so because Nvidia wants it that way.

Never have an absolute opinion on anything that you have no personal experience with. When the US Declared War on Japan most of the US Generals believed that they would win vs Japan by Christmas of that year. They did that because they convinced themselves that what they were saying made sense as a group. That is the same reasoning of people like you that because the 7900XT is not listed as the 7800XT it is not worth it. They will probably release a 6800XT replacement called the 7800XT that will have similar specs and probably have 10-15% more performance per watt than the 6800XT because of guess what Chiplets. Ignoring the fact that Nvidia is

 

[ARF]

Could anything beat a 6700XT for $299?

No. But is this offer the end of times? And how do you compare a 6700 XT for 300 and a 7900 for 1000 ?

They will probably release a 6800XT replacement called the 7800XT that will have similar specs and probably have 10-15% more performance per watt than the 6800XT

What a disappointment that would be ! An optical shrink from TSMC N7 to TSMC N5 and only 10-15% improvement? We used to see more.

 

[kapone32]

No. But is this offer the end of times? And how do you compare a 6700 XT for 300 and a 7900 for 1000 ?



What a disappointment that would be ! An optical shrink from TSMC N7 to TSMC N5 and only 10-15% improvement? We used to see more.

Just like the difference between the 3090 and 3080. I am not saying that I know what will happen, just conjecture but that has got you amped. I am not comparing the 6700XT to the 7900XT all I am establishing is that a 6700XT would be great at that price. By the way that is Canadian dollars so you have to remove 30% from the prices. I am not saying that Nvidia's offerings are not good just refuting how you can make the claims you are, without the very necessary knowledge of context. When someone speaks on a medical situation or condition would the word of someone with experience in that field be worth more than the word of the average Joe? Let's put it in context of our hobby. If you wanted someone to build a PC for you would you take someone that has built 7 PCs or someone that has watched 50 Youtube videos on building PCs and not ever built one?

 

[Vya Domus]

Because the difference to much cheaper RX 6800 XT is equivalent or similar to non-existent.
You buy RX 6800 XT, get the same performance and save quite a lot !

Utter nonsense.

 

[AnotherReader]

Chiplets is the key my friend. Cost will come down as those chiplets get put into everything. Have you even looked at pictures of the Card? The IO die is the largest piece and all of those Cores are not very large. They will be able to configure future cards by removing or adding chiplets. That means a whole lot of savings. We should not look at lower AMD cards on this node as failed dies but chiplet count in my opinion.

Yes, the MCD chiplets are about simplifying design by only redesigning the main GPU die, and should lead to lower costs. That is why the XT is being sold at a high price; the relatively small size of the die means high yields.

That makes sense, plus yields will get better over time, so you have a point. On the other hand, 20GB vs 24GB cost savings is not nothing, and reducing the price of the 7900XT by $100 would be a way for them to claw back some marketshare.

Yes, in a sane world, reducing price would allow them to gain market share. Let's see how it plays out. In Q4, a lot of RDNA2 based video cards were being sold for significant discounts compared to their Nvidia equivalents. We'll see if that translates to increased market share.

 

[P4-630]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/106h3z0

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Everyone and their dog now knows that the 7900 XT is a rebranded 7800 XT and considerably underperforms.

They use differing architecture, the 6800Xt is monolithic, the 7900Xt is 2.5D multi chip package, the 7800XT isn't even out how the Ffff do you rebrand something pre release.

Rebrand, wtaf are you on.

The Nvidia coolade bro's have been working overtime trying to convince the world the 7900Xt should have been the 7800Xt , maybe, maybe not, but that's not what a rebrand is FFS.

@P4-630 I saw that pointless troll video, we learned what, could have learned what, I'm not sure that there was any point tbh, but it did raise questions in my mind about der8aure.

 

[Shou Miko]

Well here begins my journey.

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As much as I am a Sapphire fan, I was currently unable to get any of their RX 6800 XT or 69x0 series cards from them without a huge overpricing compared to PowerColor same goes for the RX 7900 series sadly.

I am staying on my PowerColor RX 6800 XT Red Devil 16GB for now and enjoy ur Sapphire Pulse RX 7900 XTX card

 

[GamerGuy]

The 5950X will not hold this card back in real conditions. Meaning 1440p/4K ultra settings.
After the CES, I expect a response from AMD to 4070Ti aka price cut.
Then the 7000 cards will be back on the table.

Actually, nVidia made a recommendation of MSRP of 799USD for the RTX 4070 Ti, but you can't snag it at this price. MSRP is reserved for nVidia FE cardsm and surprise, surprise, nVidia did not make any. All RTX 4070 Ti are from AIBs, and usually carry a price premium of at least 50USD and more over MSRP. Meaning the starting price of the RTX 4070 Ti is 850USD, which is closer to the asking price of 899USD for the RTX 4080 12GB FE (Fake Edition).

In fact, I just did a brief scan of Amazon, lowest priced card I can find is the PNY RTX 4070 Ti which comes in at *cue drumroll* 899USD! The MSRP of the RTX 4080 12GB Fake Edition!

 

[Vya Domus]

Currently, it is fifth or forth fastest GFX, and costs a grand. Come on, not that many months ago the fastest GFX were a grand !

No, the fastest card was two grand not one and it came from your favorite green competitors. They totally weren't beyond greedy when they released a card with a 2000$ price tag knowing full well that by the end of the year they were going to release cards that would absolutely smoke it for considerably less money, am I right ?

Buying a 3090ti at launch was by far one of the biggest scams ever, it's going to be very difficult to outperform that feat, though admittedly the kind of people buying them perhaps didn't care that much but still, that card should have never saw the light of day, not without a massive discount throughout the entire product stack.

Try as hard you can to prove the contrary but Nvidia are undisputed champions at ripping their customers off and AMD doesn't come even close.

 

[GamerGuy]

Only the RTX 4090 FE can be had at 1.6k USD, unlikely to find one now. So, IF you have your heart set on one, you'd have to pony up 2k USD for one from the AIBs. Go on, you nV guys, celebrate this 'win'! And as I'd pointed out, the RTX 4070 Ti aka RTX 4080 12GB originally had a MSRP of 899USD (when it was called the latter), the cheapest RTX 4070 Ti is from PNY and is priced at (this should come as no surprise) 899USD. And no, no chance of snagging one at 799USD since there's absolutely NO RTX 4070 Ti FE since nVidia didn't bother to make any.

What I don't understand is, why are some saying AMD should lower the price of its cards, when it's clear as day nVidia is the one that should. But being market leader, and owing to its nVidia mindshare (like Apple), what is the chance of that happening?