Will you buy Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB or XTX 24 GB?

[MrPerforations]

In that instance you just buy the reference card for watercooling.

thanks for the reply man, good to read you again.
i was thinking that, but unsure if the oc'ed cards, the ones at 2680mhz are better binned chips and also the 3 x 8pin connecters, as i assume those cards will clock better.
the only pre-watercooled card is a ridiculous £1650. i was looking at a ASRock™ Taichi 7900 xtx, got the clock and the 3 x 8 pins and i would think a water block would come out for that card.
yes, i know ASRock are the cheaper stuff out there, but they seem to have improved.
EK site says they are going to make reference, Powercolour™ red devil, Asus™ TUF and XFX™ speedster MERC waterblocks, but EK prices are high compared to the Bykski blocks i got last time.
looking for the best at the cheapest as i found that to be the best experience last time.

 

[ARF]

thanks for the reply man, good to read you again.
i was thinking that, but unsure if the oc'ed cards, the ones at 2680mhz are better binned chips and also the 3 x 8pin connecters, as i assume those cards will clock better.
the only pre-watercooled card is a ridiculous £1650. i was looking at a ASRock™ Taichi 7900 xtx, got the clock and the 3 x 8 pins and i would think a water block would come out for that card.
yes, i know ASRock are the cheaper stuff out there, but they seem to have improved.
EK site says they are going to make reference, Powercolour™ red devil, Asus™ TUF waterblocks and XFX™ speedster MERC, but EK prices are high compared to the Bykski blocks i got last time.
looking for the best at the cheapest as i found that to be the best experience last time.

Please think if it is the right time now to buy RX 7900 XTX. Something strongly indicates that it needs a new revision, a more competitive variant, such as RX 7950 XTX...
No idea when it will launched or when this will receive the much needed price reduction.

 

[eidairaman1]

thanks for the reply man, good to read you again.
i was thinking that, but unsure if the oc'ed cards, the ones at 2680mhz are better binned chips and also the 3 x 8pin connecters, as i assume those cards will clock better.
the only pre-watercooled card is a ridiculous £1650. i was looking at a ASRock™ Taichi 7900 xtx, got the clock and the 3 x 8 pins and i would think a water block would come out for that card.
yes, i know ASRock are the cheaper stuff out there, but they seem to have improved.
EK site says they are going to make reference, Powercolour™ red devil, Asus™ TUF and XFX™ speedster MERC waterblocks, but EK prices are high compared to the Bykski blocks i got last time.
looking for the best at the cheapest as i found that to be the best experience last time.

Id say AsRock makes a better Product than Asus.

Anyways we will have to wait and see what @EddyAlphacool says about the AsRock Cards.

 

[ARF]

I also would join that Sapphire and ASRock are better than all the rest.

 

[MrPerforations]

Please think if it is the right time now to buy RX 7900 XTX. Something strongly indicates that it needs a new revision, a more competitive variant, such as RX 7950 XTX...
No idea when it will launched or when this will receive the much needed price reduction.

i have a MSI™ AMD™ RX vega 56 gpu, its hanging in there at 4k with around 45-60fps with medium settings. it really needs an update, and been waiting for both the Nvidia™ RTX 4000's and the AMD™ RX7900's to come out to decide which is the better deal and then figure out the best card to get and if i can water block it.

Id say AsRock makes a better Product than Asus.

Anyways we will have to wait and see what @EddyAlphacool says about the AsRock Cards.

thank you,
Alphacool™ do a water block for the ASRock™ Taichi/Phantom and Shappire™ Toxic/Nitro cards
and EKWB™ reference, Powercolour™ red devil, Asus™ TUF and XFX™ speedster MERC Cards.
so we know some of the choices now.
the ASRock ™ RX 7900 xtx Phantom looks to be the best deal, £1200 for the card and £160 for the Alphacool™ water block. £1360 total.
got 3 x 8 pin and a core boost clock of 2615mhz.

the AMD™ RX 6950 at £750 and a bykski waterblock at £100 is the best real deal @ £850, but i want a new toy, not an older one.

 

[ARF]

i have a MSI™ AMD™ RX vega 56 gpu, its hanging in there at 4k with around 45-60fps with medium settings. it really needs an update, and been waiting for both the Nvidia™ RTX 4000's and the AMD™ RX7900's to come out to decide which is the better deal and then figure out the best card to get and if i can water block it.

thank you,
Alphacool™ do a water block for the ASRock™ Taichi/Phantom and Shappire™ Toxic/Nitro cards
and EKWB™ reference, Powercolour™ red devil, Asus™ TUF and XFX™ speedster MERC Cards.
so we know some of the choices now.
the ASRock ™ RX 7900 xtx Phantom looks to be the best deal, £1200 for the card and £160 for the Alphacool™ water block. £1360 total.
got 3 x 8 pin and a core boost clock of 2615mhz.

the AMD™ RX 6950 at £750 and a bykski waterblock at £100 is the best real deal @ £850, but i want a new toy, not an older one.

Then go for the XTX but somehow lower the pay weight via credit or financing - in equal 24 payments, for example.

 

[MrPerforations]

sound like a plan, but 6 weeks till we have stock in Overclockers UK. so ill be shopping for a bit longer as i have 6 weeks to decide.
i can afford to get the Nvidia™ RTX 4090, but its not a good deal as you rightly point out. two AMD™ 6950's in Crossfire™ would be, but they don't do that deal any more.

 

[GamerGuy]

As I'd said before, I'd only buy AMD cards from their exclusive AIBs like Sapphire (I have the Nitro+ RX 6900 XT), PowerColor (I have the VEGA64 Red Devil) and XFX (I have the MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX), I won't consider the big three like MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte (though I'm a big fan of their mobos). ASRock does Intel and AMD GPUs, so they're palatable to me as an alternative to the main three exclusive AIBs.

I don't go for the big three because, sometimes they're priced higher just because of their branding, other times, they'd simply retool the coolers that they're using for their nVidia cards onto AMD cards. I trust AIBs more because they've designed their coolers specifically for AMD cards (my MERC 310 has a vapor chamber like Sapphire Vapor-X, great cooling for sure). Yes, I know this may be a naive way to split the difference between exclusive AIBs and the big three, but hey, I'm just being me. Even the one remaining nVidia card I have, in my HTPC, is a Leadtek GTX 1080 Hurricane OC, still alive and kicking after all this time.

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

I won't purchase this gpu because it's almost as expensive as the 4080, I'd rather buy a 4080 than this because these gpus have driver problems, fsr is not worth it, and garbage rt performance. I plan to buy a 4090 whenever I upgrade.

 

[Vayra86]

I agree again - I just don't think it's a loss for the user, as long as game technologies don't evolve too fast, either.

It's just like Intel's quad core i7 era: everybody was complaining that there was no innovation. I was happy because I didn't have to upgrade my PC for nearly 10 years (even though I did for different reasons).

No innovation, and yet it was a pretty good age for gaming. Especially in the graphics segment. Cards were cheap, 28nm was running for so long you could upgrade every year.

I agree again - I just don't think it's a loss for the user, as long as game technologies don't evolve too fast, either.

It's just like Intel's quad core i7 era: everybody was complaining that there was no innovation. I was happy because I didn't have to upgrade my PC for nearly 10 years (even though I did for different reasons).

Yeah its very likely we'll see another such 'stagnation' in the market for graphics now.

And you know what... gaming will probably be better off for it. Because devs no longer gain kudos for pushing the heaviest graphics, they'll need to stand out with gameplay and good content. That movement was already happening btw, just not in the AAA space.

We've seen that before in that Intel quad era, which was also a graphical stagnation period due to the long running PS3/X360. Until Maxwell and PS4, stuff was literally just in limbo. But the consoles also had some of the best games and despite the shitty ports, the games were good.

 

[qubit]

No, because since 2009 I've bought NVIDIA only and never looked back.

Having said that, I'm not buying anything nowadays, because prices for high end cards of either brand have become outrageous and won't ever be coming down, but will continue rising, instead. Therefore, this RTX 2080 SUPER I have now is gonna have to last me rather longer than intended, which it already has.

When I do eventually "upgrade" it, due to those prices, it will likely be to a lower end card that performs better simply because it's several generations newer. Not being able to buy the top end, or near top end current gen card nowadays sucks, hard. And it's not like I can't afford it, either, but the prices are now simply a rip-off, especially given the fast depreciation.

 

[Bobmitmen]

I am seriously contemplating the 7900 XTX...

 

[ARF]

Yeah its very likely we'll see another such 'stagnation' in the market for graphics now.

And you know what... gaming will probably be better off for it. Because devs no longer gain kudos for pushing the heaviest graphics, they'll need to stand out with gameplay and good content.

Can you point out which game titles you think have good graphics, after the original Crysis (2007) and Far Cry (2004) ?

i have a MSI™ AMD™ RX vega 56 gpu, its hanging in there at 4k with around 45-60fps with medium settings.

You need to carefully check every setting out there. Don't rely on global medium but rather lower the most FPS impactful settings like global illumination, lighting, ambient occlusion and the likes.
Because it is very possible that some settings such as texture streaming can be set to ultra high but there is a resource hog in the others which makes the global setting barely medium.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

This polls makes me qeustion w1zzrads front page poll. >How do you feel about Radeon RX 7900 XTX? | TechPowerUp Forums
If these cards are about what everyone expected, then why won't anyone buy them?

 

[kapone32]

This polls makes me qeustion w1zzrads front page poll. >How do you feel about Radeon RX 7900 XTX? | TechPowerUp Forums
If these cards are about what everyone expected, then why won't anyone buy them?

We are waiting for the restock.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

We are waiting for the restock.

For the better core clocks?

 

[kapone32]

For the better core clocks?

I can't speak for other places but in Canada it has been impossible to buy an MSRP or AIB MSRP 7900XTX from anywhere since Dec 14. Newegg has about 14 different models listed. One of my friends that works at a PC store near me told me likely the first or 2nd week in January before the cards are available to buy again. Even after a couple weeks the 7900XT is also getting a little hard to find at MSRP.

 

[AusWolf]

As I'd said before, I'd only buy AMD cards from their exclusive AIBs like Sapphire (I have the Nitro+ RX 6900 XT), PowerColor (I have the VEGA64 Red Devil) and XFX (I have the MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX), I won't consider the big three like MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte (though I'm a big fan of their mobos). ASRock does Intel and AMD GPUs, so they're palatable to me as an alternative to the main three exclusive AIBs.

I don't go for the big three because, sometimes they're priced higher just because of their branding, other times, they'd simply retool the coolers that they're using for their nVidia cards onto AMD cards. I trust AIBs more because they've designed their coolers specifically for AMD cards (my MERC 310 has a vapor chamber like Sapphire Vapor-X, great cooling for sure). Yes, I know this may be a naive way to split the difference between exclusive AIBs and the big three, but hey, I'm just being me. Even the one remaining nVidia card I have, in my HTPC, is a Leadtek GTX 1080 Hurricane OC, still alive and kicking after all this time.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I can't say that you're wrong, considering that my Asus ROG 5700 XT had the exact same cooler as Nvidia ROG cards of the time, and unlike those, it had heat issues both on the GPU and VRAM.

On the other hand, I have a reference 6750 XT now, and it's fine. Nothing extraordinary temperature-wise, but as AMD likes to say "it's within spec". Sure, I can't blame you if you want more than that.

This polls makes me qeustion w1zzrads front page poll. >How do you feel about Radeon RX 7900 XTX? | TechPowerUp Forums
If these cards are about what everyone expected, then why won't anyone buy them?

The XTX is at the performance level that I expected it to be. I'm just not looking for a x90 or x900 card because they're way too expensive, that's all.

 

[GamerGuy]

That's an interesting way to look at it. I can't say that you're wrong, considering that my Asus ROG 5700 XT had the exact same cooler as Nvidia ROG cards of the time, and unlike those, it had heat issues both on the GPU and VRAM.

On the other hand, I have a reference 6750 XT now, and it's fine. Nothing extraordinary temperature-wise, but as AMD likes to say "it's within spec". Sure, I can't blame you if you want more than that.

Oh, I have nothing against AMD reference design, would have happily taken a reference card had they not been sold out fast.....I mean, real fast!

I managed to snag the MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX because I'd left word with the shop, where I'd gotten the card from, to get in touch with me when they have the XTX on hand, and they did....much to my pleasant surprise, and much to my bank account's chagrin. Although, to be honest, I'm glad I'd not gotten a reference XTX, the delta between edge temp and junction temps of about 50C is quite.....concerning. It is reassuring that AMD is looking into it though....

 

[ARF]

the delta between edge temp and junction temps of about 50C is quite.....concerning

Can you explain a bit more about this? What is "edge temp", the temp on the extreme edge of the heatsink?
Would be nice if you link to e reference.

 

[GamerGuy]

Can you explain a bit more about this? What is "edge temp", the temp on the extreme edge of the heatsink?
Would be nice if you link to e reference.

It's this article that had first raised my concern about delta between gpu (Ithink it's called edge, not sure about this as I use them more or less interchangeably, someone correct me if I'm wrong), and hotspot temps, only reference cards as 3rd party cooled ones by AIB partners seem to be fine.

AMD Looking Into RX 7900 Series Temperature Issues

AMD's reference designs have high hot spot temps

www.tomshardware.com

 

[ARF]

It's this article that had first raised my concern about delta between gpu (Ithink it's called edge, not sure about this as I use them more or less interchangeably, someone correct me if I'm wrong,) , only reference cards as 3rd party cooled ones by AIB partners seem to be fine.

AMD Looking Into RX 7900 Series Temperature Issues

AMD's reference designs have high hot spot temps

www.tomshardware.com

I see, looks like an isolated case rather than common behaviour.

 

[eidairaman1]

No, because since 2009 I've bought NVIDIA only and never looked back.

Having said that, I'm not buying anything nowadays, because prices for high end cards of either brand have become outrageous and won't ever be coming down, but will continue rising, instead. Therefore, this RTX 2080 SUPER I have now is gonna have to last me rather longer than intended, which it already has.

When I do eventually "upgrade" it, due to those prices, it will likely be to a lower end card that performs better simply because it's several generations newer. Not being able to buy the top end, or near top end current gen card nowadays sucks, hard. And it's not like I can't afford it, either, but the prices are now simply a rip-off, especially given the fast depreciation.

I can afford 4 7900XTXs with a DDR4 Threadripper Pro cpu and motherboard but I am not cutting my account in half for that. I have a life with prorities and computers are very low on that list.

 

[Vayra86]

Can you point out which game titles you think have good graphics, after the original Crysis (2007) and Far Cry (2004) ?

I think we largely went into generic DX11 limbo until we saw the big engine and API updates, starting with DX12/Vulkan and Unreal Engine 4, plus all the other known names getting version updates and the market moving to a much lower barrier to access for development. I think that redefined 'good' in graphics, as well - pixel graphics, Minecraft-ey stuff... it diversified massively what we considered bearable in our new games. Besides that, I think The Witcher 3 stood out - home brew engine. Another one is Frostbite with Battlefield 4 and onwards, though you could also argue it wasn't until Turing/RT additions that it really showed marked differences with the rest of the crop. Ubisoft, then, basically completely stalled on its engines but what they lacked for graphics progression they added in sheer scope in their games; looking at stuff like Ghost Recon Wildlands for example, but also their Assassins Creeds. Far Cry 3 for their Dunia engine also set the bar for everything that came after. Crysis 3 was another notable highlight and I also think Metro made its mark.

 

[Devon68]

No. It's out of my budget. Plus I limited myself to 500$, but first I have to figure out if I can still play games. I haven't played anything since february. I might be broken