NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition

[Makaveli]

So just opinion.

Right.

I build about 6 pc a month, whatever THEY want, and they are half n half AMD , Nvidia.

With no issues because I'm a pro.

I found his example pretty funny because how do you know he isn't selling PCs to complete noobs.

Its like trying to use reddit post for examples most of those are PEBKAC issues.

 

[Beelzeboss]

this is not a good reason to support piracy. If I cannot afford buying a Ferrari, I don't stole one just because I like to drive it.

Moronic comparison. Regional prices existed for a reason. Imagine comparing videogames to a ferrari.

 

[Max(IT)]

There's nothing RDNA2 or 3 don't run, honestly you're pulling this quite a bit out of proportion.

Agree on a slightly lower driver TLC regime at AMD, but there's nothing game breaking in there right now. Just situational performance hits and frankly they happen on Nvidia too.

never said anything about something Radeon don't run.
I'm speaking about driver issues, to sometimes leads to complete Windows re-installation. This is frankly a waste of my time, especially because I couldn't identify any specific user related misbehaviour. So I prefer stop using AMD cards, because an angry customer is not something you want.
And it is quite annoying, because in some classes Radeons were an easy choice (especially RX 6650XT and 6700XT)

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

this is not a good reason to support piracy. If I cannot afford buying a Ferrari, I don't stole one just because I like to drive it.

Terrible comparison, if I download a pirated ferrari the ferrari dealer does not lose a ferrari.

never said anything about something Radeon don't run.
I'm speaking about driver issues, to sometimes leads to complete Windows re-installation. This is frankly a waste of my time, especially because I couldn't identify any specific user related misbehaviour. So I prefer stop using AMD cards, because an angry customer is not something you want.
And it is quite annoying, because in some classes Radeons were an easy choice (especially RX 6650XT and 6700XT)

How are you having this many issues? I've had a RX 480, two vega 64s, and now a 6800xt, and the only time I had mystery issues that couldnt be fixed was when the vegas decided to eat their own PCBs.

 

[Max(IT)]

I partially agree with you, dont you think that they make more than enough money anyway? Only a small percent (compared with what it used to be) are downloading cracked games now and a big part of them are people that cannot afford to buy those games so they would not have bought them anyway. Many of the games have online features now (that dont work in the cracked versions) and some of the people that are playing the cracked game get hooked with it and they will buy it for the online features even if they didn't intend to buy it in the first place.

Nope. I was a software developer, and I still know some. Some "big guys" are earning good money, but behind them there is a large part of minor developers no so good paid, and still working hard. A game production is a very long and expensive process, today.
Piracy is not a solution.

 

[heflys20]

I'm speaking about driver issues, to sometimes leads to complete Windows re-installation.

Strange. This is my first AMD/ATI (whatever) card in years. Haven't noticed a single issue in about 5 months. Transition was pretty seamless, actually. (Shrugs)

I remember someone was comparing his computer to a Bugatti because he spent top dollar on computer parts, never mind they would be outclassed a year later by cheaper products...It was a strange comparison to me. I'm rambling though.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Nope. I was a software developer, and I still know some. Some "big guys" are earning good money, but behind them there is a large part of minor developers no so good paid, and still working hard. A game production is a very long and expensive process, today.
Piracy is not a solution.

So, the current industry constantly underpays its own workers, despite record profits, and your solution to this is to continue paying bloated prices for poorly made garbage?

Man I dont know how those neurons are connected.

Strange. This is my first AMD/ATI (whatever) card in years. Haven't noticed a single issue in about 5 months. Transition was pretty seamless, actually. (Shrugs)

I remember someone was comparing his computer to a Bugatti because he spent top dollar on computer parts, never mind they would be outclassed a year later by cheaper products...It was a strange comparison to me. I'm rambling though.

The only issue I had was moving from the november 2022 driver to the march 2023 driver that was hosing windows installs. Serves me right for doing a factory reset...

 

[Max(IT)]

So, the current industry constantly underpays its own workers, despite record profits, and your solution to this is to continue paying bloated prices for poorly made garbage?

usual reply from pirates: I'm not paying because games are poorly made. If they are poorly made, then just don't download it.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

usual reply from pirates: I'm not paying because games are poorly made. If they are poorly made, then just don't download it.

OR, I could download them, since it makes 0 difference if I am not going to pay for it anyway.

 

[izy]

Nope. I was a software developer, and I still know some. Some "big guys" are earning good money, but behind them there is a large part of minor developers no so good paid, and still working hard. A game production is a very long and expensive process, today.
Piracy is not a solution.

The devs wont get more money if the piracy was less , the extra money will go only to the big boys pocket and as i was saying many people will buy the games after they played the cracked version for the online features and many of the others that are only playing the cracked version and not going to buy it after they were not going to purchase the game anyway, i think there are more people (maybe) that are going to buy the games after they played the cracked (if it has some sort of online stuff) than the ones that were going to buy it if the cracked version wasnt an option, many of cracked games can act as free commercials.

Edit: I know a thread from an online tracker where people were talking about the F1 games , they were speculating that F1 22 was intentional left as easy to crack by EA (F1 21 wasnt possible as far as i know) so they can get more people hooked and many of the people there were saying that after playing it (cracked version) they actually bought the game so they can play online.

 

[Vayra86]

never said anything about something Radeon don't run.
I'm speaking about driver issues, to sometimes leads to complete Windows re-installation. This is frankly a waste of my time, especially because I couldn't identify any specific user related misbehaviour. So I prefer stop using AMD cards, because an angry customer is not something you want.
And it is quite annoying, because in some classes Radeons were an easy choice (especially RX 6650XT and 6700XT)

All I see and smell here is PEBCAK, you're describing a pretty away from the norm experience, and it seems to serve your narrative more than anything else.

Issues are known and documented but OS reinstall for a GPU is a first for me, honestly. If you do your process of (de-)installation properly, that is just not a thing. Its not 1995. What is a known quantity among users is however that they treat Windows like they did Win95 or XP, dropping all sorts of silly tweaks on it that kill stability, in a futile effort to make it do what they think is right. That goes from a 0MB page file enforcement to various 'remove services' things that all work brilliantly to kill regular stuff working in regular ways.

That's typical of PEBCAK issues, including the permanent state of the denial of that cause. It also doesn't remove the fact that AMD GPU installation might be a bit more stringent and less fool proof than nvidia's installers, I can even see that point, but you're supposed to RTFM in the end. The vast majority has no issues just doing that, and if they did, they'd be bugs that get rapid fixes, because they're clearly blocking issues.

What's worked best for me is a 4 year plan with 2 systems

2 years at 4k and 2 years at 1440p

I sell the gpu from the 1440p system when the 4k systems gpu gets replaced every 2 years ish...

Prior to 4k really being a thing I did 1440p to 1080p but same gameplan.

This has served me pretty well for the last decade but I know for most it's probably unrealistic.

Yep, multi system approach is great no matter the perf level you're gunning for on either one, you can push faster parts to the slower rig over time and keep both up to date very cost effectively.

If I start noticing the 7900XT runs into CPU constraints, my 8700K is likely going on a cheap second hand ITX board in a much smaller case to work as HTPC. That'll retire my 3570k which is under the TV right now, still pushing all content through browser/apps today without any effort lol. That'll be the moment the gaming rig gets a 5800X3D or newer.

 

[Max(IT)]

All I see and smell here is PEBCAK, you're describing a pretty away from the norm experience, and it seems to serve your narrative more than anything else.

Issues are known and documented but OS reinstall for a GPU is a first, honestly. If you do your process of (de-)installation properly, that is just not a thing. Its not 1995. What is a known quantity among users is however that they treat Windows like they did Win95 or XP, dropping all sorts of silly tweaks on it that kill stability, in a futile effort to make it do what they think is right. That goes from a 0MB page file enforcement to various 'remove services' things that all work brilliantly to kill regular stuff working in regular ways.

That's typical of PEBCAK issues, including the permanent state of the denial of that cause. It also doesn't remove the fact that AMD GPU installation might be a bit more stringent and less fool proof than nvidia's installers, I can even see that point, but you're supposed to RTFM in the end. The vast majority has no issues just doing that, and if they did, they'd be bugs that get rapid fixes, because they're clearly blocking issues.

news about Amd drivers corrupting Windows installation were litterally everywhere a few weeks ago.

AMD drivers are bricking Windows 11 systems...again | TechRadar

Radeon Driver Bug Corrupts Windows, AMD Shares Fix | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

But as I said since the beginning, it was totally expected by AMD fanbase.
They storm every thread, fighting their Holy War against the Green Enemy.
I know the "never happened to me" narrative.

All of you (the usual names...) totally derailed the thread, speaking of irrelevant Radeon on a thread about RTX 4070.

 

[Vayra86]

news about Amd drivers corrupting Windows installation were litterally everywhere a few weeks ago.
But as I said since the beginning, it was totally expected by AMD fanbase.
They storm every thread, fighting their Holy War against the Green Enemy.

All of you (the usual names...) totally derailed the thread, speaking of irrelevant Radeon on a thread about RTX 4070.

Its called making a comparison.

As for that corruption:

Radeon Driver Bug Corrupts Windows, AMD Shares Fix

Resuscitate your PC with the old power button

www.tomshardware.com

"We have reproduced an issue that can occur in an extremely small number of instances if a PC update occurs during the installation of AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition, and we are actively investigating. We recommend users ensure all system updates are applied or paused before installing the driver, and that the "Factory Reset" option is unchecked during the AMD driver installation process.

Gosh, if you interrupt an install process with another update, it might crash. Wasn't that the basic disclaimer EVERY installer presents to you before it starts? Storm in teacup much? Could it be better, sure. This is pretty much on the level of 'X3Ds can die if you push 1.55V over them' we had recently. Yes, its true. Its also pretty irrelevant.

But you, as an advanced user suffering these issues like you say you do... mind blown! You even go all religious on this supposed holy war of yours. Boy oh boy. Do you also update GPU bios for your customers? Seems about right, no? The whole YT community does it after all

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Its called making a comparison.

As for that corruption:

Radeon Driver Bug Corrupts Windows, AMD Shares Fix

Resuscitate your PC with the old power button

www.tomshardware.com

"We have reproduced an issue that can occur in an extremely small number of instances if a PC update occurs during the installation of AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition, and we are actively investigating. We recommend users ensure all system updates are applied or paused before installing the driver, and that the "Factory Reset" option is unchecked during the AMD driver installation process.

Gosh, if you interrupt an install process with another update, it might crash. Wasn't that the basic disclaimer EVERY installer presents to you before it starts? Storm in teacup much? Could it be better, sure. This is pretty much on the level of 'X3Ds can die if you push 1.55V over them' we had recently. Yes, its true. Its also pretty irrelevant.

But you, as an advanced user suffering these issues like you say you do... mind blown!

Honestly it makes me a little happy that fanboys on both sides of this made up holy war over two companies that don't give two shits about them hate me lol.

Otherwise they provide a good laugh if nothing else....

Yep, multi system approach is great no matter the perf level you're gunning for on either one, you can push faster parts to the slower rig over time and keep both up to date very cost effectively.

If I start noticing the 7900XT runs into CPU constraints, my 8700K is likely going on a cheap second hand ITX board in a much smaller case to work as HTPC. That'll retire my 3570k which is under the TV right now, still pushing all content through browser/apps today without any effort lol. That'll be the moment the gaming rig gets a 5800X3D or newer.

Even though these companies are trying to make it as hard as possible to continue to do this it's still a lot easier to justify upgrades when two systems are improving every time.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Except it will pass the 6800XT market share in a matter of WEEKS, literally…

Why AMD users are always like that ?
Who would choose a 6800XT over a 4070 ?

And there you were page one in defense mode with the AMD user's shit, starting it.

jumping on someone's opinion, and starting this off?

news about Amd drivers corrupting Windows installation were litterally everywhere a few weeks ago.

AMD drivers are bricking Windows 11 systems...again | TechRadar

Radeon Driver Bug Corrupts Windows, AMD Shares Fix | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

But as I said since the beginning, it was totally expected by AMD fanbase.
They storm every thread, fighting their Holy War against the Green Enemy.
I know the "never happened to me" narrative.

All of you (the usual names...) totally derailed the thread, speaking of irrelevant Radeon on a thread about RTX 4070.

Holy war bro, you enlisted page1, some of us got fed up of your nonesense MUCH later and couldn't take it anymore so had to reply, like now, nonsense, totally..

and YOU mentioned AMD more than ANYONE ELSE in this thread, I checked, and you are obsessed.

That specific driver issue KEEPS getting you then, didn't me but then I KNOW don't update the GPU driver while Windows is updating, which caused that, not right, not good but you shouldn't be affected if doing it right.


ps stop doing it the digital foundrie way if you want lessons I charge 50£ an hr, but you will learn how to spec and build PC without issues at least.

 

[Max(IT)]

And there you were page one in defense mode with the AMD user's shit, starting it.

jumping on someone's opinion, and starting this off?

you are being deceitful as usual: my post was in reply to one of the 10-or-so posts (on the first 20 !!!) speaking about Radeon in first page







By the way, it's my fault. I should have avoid replying to the notorious AMD defending team on the forum.
This thread is about RTX 4070, for good or bad it is.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

people need to stop comparing power efficiency when they're different nodes.

 

[Max(IT)]

people need to stop comparing power efficiency when they're different nodes.

then you are going to stop comparing card at all, since production nodes are almost always different, generation after generation.
To me the fact of 3080 performance at 100+ W less power is a good point anyway.

 

[SunWukong]

you should stop downloading cracked games beacuse:
a) it's the reason PC gaming is slowly dying
b) people working on those games need to be paid
c) it's illegal


interesting indeed, as it is a demonstration on how the user base of this forum is not a good representation about the real world scenario... In a few months the 4070 will sell more than all the Radeon included in that list, aggregated.

Oh no a Republican all of a sudden

 

[Vayra86]

people need to stop comparing power efficiency when they're different nodes.

You realize that RDNA3 is entirely on different nodes even in the same product?

you are being deceitful as usual: my post was in reply to one of the 10-or-so posts (on the first 20 !!!) speaking about Radeon in first page

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By the way, it's my fault. I should have avoid replying to the notorious AMD defending team on the forum.
This thread is about RTX 4070, for good or bad it is.

And on that bombshell, I salute you. This discussion has run its course. So indeed let's talk about that 4070 some more, there are many aspects of it that suck.

then you are going to stop comparing card at all, since production nodes are almost always different, generation after generation.
To me the fact of 3080 performance at 100+ W less power is a good point anyway.

And points that are indeed good. Ada's efficiency is stellar.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

you are being deceitful as usual: my post was in reply to one of the 10-or-so posts (on the first 20 !!!) speaking about Radeon in first page

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By the way, it's my fault. I should have avoid replying to the notorious AMD defending team on the forum.
This thread is about RTX 4070, for good or bad it is.

what was

This

"And there you were page one in defense mode with the AMD user's shit, starting it.

jumping on someone's opinion, and starting this off?"


Have a look did you let that bone go, no.

as for keeping the, us v them going, again before I replied.

generally speaking, I think it’s quite difficult to speak about “street price” since it could be quite different worldwide.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. It’s just a grey area.


You AMD fans are fantastic …
Everything puts AMD under a bad light must be wrong.

Though due to your Nvidia defensiveness, i will admit to getting this and other 4070 threads mixed up, should we look at some of those coments, some were v funny.

 

[Hecate91]

then you are going to stop comparing card at all, since production nodes are almost always different, generation after generation.
To me the fact of 3080 performance at 100+ W less power is a good point anyway.

Then you can't even compare the 3080 to the 4070, since Ada is on a different node than Ampere.
I honestly don't see how power consumption is such a concern when spending $600+ on a graphics card, especially when you're getting less of an upgrade compared to previous x70 tier cards.

 

[Max(IT)]

Then you can't even compare the 3080 to the 4070, since Ada is on a different node than Ampere.
I honestly don't see how power consumption is such a concern when spending $600+ on a graphics card, especially when you're getting less of an upgrade compared to previous x70 tier cards.

Do you remember the planet ? That place where we live on ? Power consumption is not only a bill problem…

 

[SunWukong]

So just opinion.

Right.

I build about 6 pc a month, whatever THEY want, and they are half n half AMD , Nvidia.

With no issues because I'm a pro.

Lol he's calling out everyone a AMD fanboy but he's the biggest liar like Jensen. Hahahaha

 

[Vayra86]

Do you remember the planet ? That place where we live on ? Power consumption is not only a bill problem…

Just take 0,5C off your normal thermostat setting and run the PC 24/7 on a game problem solved.

Power consumption is mainly a heat problem in PCs, heat that needs to move out of the case primarily. Cost is a minor factor. But overall usage of a PC certainly is not, relative to your house's annual power bill.

But weren't we going to talk about 4070's? It's a mere 200W card, so the planet will be fine!