Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

AusWolf · Jun 13, 2023

Klemc said:
Good idea, and it's kept cold too.

Very cold! 58-ish degrees in Cinebench all-core. Not to mention, the dreaded VSOC sits at 1.02 V with 4800 MHz RAM, which lets the CPU go under 40 °C at idle with the AIO fans switched off. The slower RAM comes with no performance loss in my configuration and settings. And AMD said 6000 is the sweet spot? Bollocks!

Ruru · Jun 13, 2023

Testing the Crosshair once again. Saw a new bios release, installed it + using the exact same settings as with my Gigabyte board, seems to work so far. I'll continue testing...

Just a clean Win11 install + Firefox + chipset & GPU drivers so far. Youtube playing a video and Latencymon running. If it works after hours and some software installed, I'll install a clean Win11 install on my NVMe drive (put the test OS on a 120Gig drive)

edit: Put my old install to this and no problems. I get high latencies from ACPI but so far I hear no crackling or other issues with the audio when watching youtube.

Mussels · Jun 14, 2023

I've seen reports on reddit that AGESA 1.2.0.A has fixed the EDC bug at last (It's possible it was fixed in 1.2.0.8, some boards skipped that release and went straight to A)
Considering users mention different boards throughout the thread, it seems like its globally fixed

Kissamies said:
Testing the Crosshair once again. Saw a new bios release, installed it + using the exact same settings as with my Gigabyte board, seems to work so far. I'll continue testing...

Just a clean Win11 install + Firefox + chipset & GPU drivers so far. Youtube playing a video and Latencymon running. If it works after hours and some software installed, I'll install a clean Win11 install on my NVMe drive (put the test OS on a 120Gig drive)

edit: Put my old install to this and no problems. I get high latencies from ACPI but so far I hear no crackling or other issues with the audio when watching youtube.

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Keep in mind latency spikes can be caused by a thousand things - this could be a mechanical hard drive slowly waking up, or a software issue (like effing wallpaper engine)

And an obvious thing too, is that when idle windows is going to smash out a ton of background tasks - just ran into that trying to check things on my ITX rig, as it downloaded an update, and then ran some cleanup processes only at idle.
Had to disable the screens sleep timer and leave task manager up on the screen to spot what was using power at idle.

Hardware swapperoni has begun

3700x on air is doing well for itself, this is with R23 running
Gigabyte x370 Gaming 5, 3700x (ECO mode) 4x8GB SR 3200, GTX 1080
This PC has a niggling stability issue that i think is the GPU over long time periods, so i'm not working on the RAM or CPU tuning yet. This made it a bit unpleasant with VR, last person to game on it nearly vomited when it crashed.

ITX Aorus B550-I, 5800x + 3070 8GB are being finalized now - waiting on the results of BACON testing

The plan is for the ITX rig to be setup for wired and wireless VR streaming, so it can be dedicated to the Rift S, but also run my quest 2 over wifi if my main PC is busy or out of action.
Since i got the ram running at 3600 easily on the new BIOS, i'll aim for ECO mode with a curve undervolt and the ram at 3800, and the 3070 undervolted.
Previous testing had this CPU at around 80W and the GPU at 130W, more than easy to cool in ITX.

Ruru · Jun 14, 2023

Mussels said:
Keep in mind latency spikes can be caused by a thousand things - this could be a mechanical hard drive slowly waking up, or a software issue (like effing wallpaper engine)

And an obvious thing too, is that when idle windows is going to smash out a ton of background tasks - just ran into that trying to check things on my ITX rig, as it downloaded an update, and then ran some cleanup processes only at idle.
Had to disable the screens sleep timer and leave task manager up on the screen to spot what was using power at idle.

At least the problems didn't go away with my older install. I may do more research later but I went back to my B550 board as this works flawlessly..

R-T-B · Jun 14, 2023

AusWolf said:
Yep. Fixed 4.5 GHz base clock with no boost.

Try a fixed core overclock. It's what I do, and I can clock close to 5GHz before I start to get very many heat or stability issues. Still runs pretty darn cool.

AusWolf · Jun 14, 2023

R-T-B said:
Try a fixed core overclock. It's what I do, and I can clock close to 5GHz before I start to get very many heat or stability issues. Still runs pretty darn cool.

That works too, I guess.

The third option that I thought of is lowering the TDP in the BIOS. That way I would keep at least my low-threaded boost clocks.

The fourth option is getting a 7800X3D, which doesn't only run cooler, but is also faster in games which could be useful later. Damn temptation!

HD64G · Jun 14, 2023

Lowering power limit is the best solution for not losing the single core boost neither allowing high temps.

AusWolf · Jun 15, 2023

HD64G said:
Lowering power limit is the best solution for not losing the single core boost neither allowing high temps.

I've just had a run with boost enabled, and TDP set to 95 W (128 W PPT), RAM still at 4800 MHz, 1.02 VSOC:

18,888 points (nice!) in Cinebench R23, which is a mere 1% lower than stock, while CPU temperature peaked at 91 °C. I think I'm good for the summer.

Klemc · Jun 15, 2023

Can i switch CPU Boost ON/OFF from Windows instead going BIOS each time ??

AusWolf · Jun 16, 2023

Next update on my "cool the 7700X in the summer" project: TDP at 65 W (88 W PPT) - The highest all-core turbo clock decreased from 5.1 to 4.8 GHz, and I lost 7% in Cinebench compared to stock (17.2k vs 19k points). CPU temp maxes out at 70 °C. I think I've found the new sweet spot.

Deleted member 223428 · Jun 16, 2023

AusWolf said:
Next update on my "cool the 7700X in the summer" project: TDP at 65 W (88 W PPT) - The highest all-core turbo clock decreased from 5.1 to 4.8 GHz, and I lost 7% in Cinebench compared to stock (17.2k vs 19k points). CPU temp maxes out at 70 °C. I think I've found the new sweet spot.

Congratulations - you now have a 7700 non-X. :rockout:

When I had mine, the sweet spot for me was 95w TDP, -20 CO all core. That kept temps down and scores up. I think I had a pretty decent 7700x as well as it did 6000/CL30 at 1.02v SoC. Probably shouldn't have sold it. :kookoo:

Congrats on finding a happy spot for the CPU during the summer!

Pictus · Jun 16, 2023

Kissamies said:
Testing the Crosshair once again. Saw a new bios release, installed it + using the exact same settings as with my Gigabyte board, seems to work so far. I'll continue testing...

In the ASUS BIOS set:
- Download & Install ARMOURY CRATE app = Disabled
- PCIe = GEN3 or GEN4 if the GPU is GEN4, but not AUTO
- Global C-state Control = Disabled
- Uninstall ARMOURY CRATE https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/14Utilities/Armoury_Crate_Uninstall_Tool.zip

- This is a CMD file to check and fix the File System and Operational System Integrity.

FIX_Check_File_System_OS.zip

drive.google.com

Run it as admin, it is from https://forums.mydigitallife.net/th...fications-overview.83744/page-57#post-1734651

- USB pooling rate above 500Hz can cause problems, the default is 125Hz

https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsHelp/comments/rkaszx

- Disable Widgets
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/enable-or-disable-widgets-feature-in-windows-11.1196/
or uninstall
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-uninstall-or-reinstall-widgets-in-windows-11

- Disable Windows Hibernate
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2859-enable-disable-hibernate-windows-10-a.html

- Disable Core Isolation and Memory Integrity
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/core-isolation-and-memory-integrity-in-windows-10

- Do the "Processor idle demote/promote threshold" tweak
use the Windows power plan settings explorer utility
and unselect "Processor idle demote/promote threshold"

New options will appear and set the Threshold to 100%.

- Disable Energy/GREEN/Power stuff for both Realtek and Intel LAN
Always get the LAN driver from Intel and Realtek site.

AusWolf · Jun 16, 2023

Super Firm Tofu said:
Congratulations - you now have a 7700 non-X.

When I had mine, the sweet spot for me was 95w TDP, -20 CO all core. That kept temps down and scores up. I think I had a pretty decent 7700x as well as it did 6000/CL30 at 1.02v SoC. Probably shouldn't have sold it.

Congrats on finding a happy spot for the CPU during the summer!

Yeah, a 7700 non-X with a slightly higher max boost clock. :laugh:

Today I saw 74 degrees on it while Windows update was running. I guess it gets a bit warmer when the load isn't evenly distributed among the cores (which is still fine).

6000 MHz RAM with 1.02 VSOC? :eek:

I didn't think it was possible. Why did you sell it?

Deleted member 223428 · Jun 17, 2023

AusWolf said:
Yeah, a 7700 non-X with a slightly higher max boost clock. Today I saw 74 degrees on it while Windows update was running. I guess it gets a bit warmer when the load isn't evenly distributed among the cores (which is still fine).

Yeah, single core loads tend to run hotter with the higher boost frequencies. Good thing is, you're still capped at 88w so still much cooler in the room. :clap:

AusWolf said:
6000 MHz RAM with 1.02 VSOC? I didn't think it was possible. Why did you sell it?

Pure idiocy. :laugh:

AusWolf · Jun 17, 2023

Super Firm Tofu said:
Yeah, single core loads tend to run hotter with the higher boost frequencies. Good thing is, you're still capped at 88w so still much cooler in the room.

Not really. Even at stock, it's been my 6750 XT that heated the room, not the 7700X. :laugh:

Chiplet CPUs don't make my rad/cooler as warm as monolithic ones do for some reason.

Super Firm Tofu said:
Pure idiocy.

Oh.

Well, I might buy a 7800X3D later out of pure curiosity, but I'll probably keep the 7700X in case something goes wrong.

dont whant to set it"' · Jun 17, 2023

I got around to deliding, but with the summer here in full swing I cant really tell if there is an improvement or not. Currently pasted wits some 2 year old leftover MX-4 .

johnspack · Jun 19, 2023

Heh, both my xeon systems are down right now, so it's all ryzen for now! Here's some hard work for a threadripper:

Mussels · Jun 19, 2023

HD64G said:
Lowering power limit is the best solution for not losing the single core boost neither allowing high temps.

My ITX rig is absurd with the 5800x and eco mode, currently only a -5 offset.

Gaming comes nowhere near the power limits, overall its less efficient than my 3D is - but the weak 240mm AIO cant get overloaded in summer with eco on

tabascosauz · Jun 19, 2023

Got some Rembrandt goodness up in here

gonna see if CO works through some of the available APU utilities

Deleted member 223428 · Jun 19, 2023

tabascosauz said:
Got some Rembrandt goodness up in here gonna see if CO works through some of the available APU utilities

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Mmmmm. New laptop smell.

tabascosauz · Jun 19, 2023

Super Firm Tofu said:
Mmmmm. New laptop smell.

Lots of new Ryzen smell

Got my grey X13 today (the one I wanted to cancel) and black X13 coming on Wednesday, I'll return the one that's is worse overall. By now pops should also be getting his T14s G2 (5825U)

Mussels · Jun 20, 2023

Anyone have a clue why my 5800x is smashing latency values with C18 ram, when it was always much higher with the prior kit with similar latencies?
It's tuned now, but was still doing 60ns out of the box at 3600 c18

I'm not sure if the aorus B550i just has tighter defaults, or something else is going on

5800x3D/x570 for comparison
The lower boost clocks always slowed it down, but the same CPU and RAM is faster on the new b550 for some reason

Pictus said:
- USB pooling rate above 500Hz can cause problems, the default is 125Hz

that's fixed, btw. latest windows updates caught the issue.

RAW data from input devices was being polled by many programs at once, instead of all receiving the same data - so anything with a cursor or clickies (overlays etc) multiplied the CPU usage, and high Hz rates added to the problem

tabascosauz · Jun 20, 2023

@Mussels do you mean that with the same 5800X the kit is faster on the Aorus? Because the 5800X3D is inherently far slower and will always be.

ITX boards are generally pretty tight and fast. The Impact might be the one exception to that rule. MSI, Aorus and Strix ITX all make good latency numbers.

Your AIDA on the 5800X is really out of date. In more recent versions (6.8+) they seem to hiked the latency numbers a bit. The 5800X3D looks about right.

Mussels · Jun 20, 2023

tabascosauz said:
@Mussels do you mean that with the same 5800X the kit is faster on the Aorus? Because the 5800X3D is inherently far slower and will always be.

ITX boards are generally pretty tight and fast. The Impact might be the one exception to that rule. MSI, Aorus and Strix ITX all make good latency numbers.

Your AIDA on the 5800X is really out of date. In more recent versions (6.8+) they seem to hiked the latency numbers a bit. The 5800X3D looks about right.

The values changed moving the CPU between the boards, but if I'm an idiot and that USB toolkit has an old aida, that actually explains it all

trparky · Jun 20, 2023

My brother is thinking about getting this...
ASUS TUF Gaming A17 FA707XV-MS94 17.3" Laptop Computer Platinum Collection - Mecha Gray; AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS 4.0GHz - Micro Center
What do you guys think?

I'm only posting it here because technically it is Ryzen related by virtue of it having a Ryzen CPU in it.

System Name	My second and third PCs are Intel + Nvidia
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D @ 45 W TDP Eco Mode
Motherboard	MSi Pro B650M-A Wifi
Cooling	Noctua NH-D9L chromax.black
Memory	2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-6000 CL36
Video Card(s)	PowerColor Reaper Radeon RX 9070 XT
Storage	2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 4 TB Seagate Barracuda
Display(s)	Dell S3422DWG 34" 1440 UW 144 Hz
Case	Corsair Crystal 280X
Audio Device(s)	Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones
Power Supply	750 W Seasonic Prime GX
Mouse	Logitech MX Master 2S
Keyboard	Logitech G413 SE
Software	Bazzite (Fedora Linux) KDE Plasma

System Name	4K-gaming / console
Processor	5800X @ PBO +200 / i5-8600K @ 4.6GHz
Motherboard	ROG Crosshair VII Hero / ROG Strix Z370-F
Cooling	Eisbaer 360 + EK Vector TUF + Acool ST30 240mm + Swiftech res + EK-XTOP SPC-60 / Eisbaer 240 + DCC
Memory	32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 3080 TUF / Powercolor RX 6700 XT
Storage	3TB of SSDs / several small SSDs
Display(s)	4K120 IPS + 4K60 IPS / 1080p projector @ 90"
Case	Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH
Audio Device(s)	Sony WH-CH720N / Hecate G1500
Power Supply	EVGA G2 750W / Seasonic FX-750
Mouse	Razer Basilisk / Ajazz i303 Pro
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO / Obinslab Anne 2 Pro
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	They run Crysis

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

System Name	4K-gaming / console
Processor	5800X @ PBO +200 / i5-8600K @ 4.6GHz
Motherboard	ROG Crosshair VII Hero / ROG Strix Z370-F
Cooling	Eisbaer 360 + EK Vector TUF + Acool ST30 240mm + Swiftech res + EK-XTOP SPC-60 / Eisbaer 240 + DCC
Memory	32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 3080 TUF / Powercolor RX 6700 XT
Storage	3TB of SSDs / several small SSDs
Display(s)	4K120 IPS + 4K60 IPS / 1080p projector @ 90"
Case	Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH
Audio Device(s)	Sony WH-CH720N / Hecate G1500
Power Supply	EVGA G2 750W / Seasonic FX-750
Mouse	Razer Basilisk / Ajazz i303 Pro
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO / Obinslab Anne 2 Pro
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	They run Crysis

System Name	Pioneer
Processor	Ryzen 9 9950X
Motherboard	MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk Wifi
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon, Phanteks and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory	128GB (4x 32GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-4200(Running 1:1:1 w/FCLK)
Video Card(s)	XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage	Intel 5800X Optane 800GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs, 1x 2TB Seagate Exos 3.5"
Display(s)	55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case	Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s)	TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply	FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse	Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard	WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software	Gentoo Linux x64, other office machines run Windows 11 Enterprise

Processor	AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W
Motherboard	MSI B550 Tomahawk
Cooling	ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA
Memory	2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB
Storage	Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB
Display(s)	AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz
Case	SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK
Audio Device(s)	Realtek 7.1 onboard
Power Supply	Seasonic Core GC 500W
Mouse	Sharkoon SHARK Force Black
Keyboard	Trust GXT280
Software	Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux

System Name	KLM
Processor	7800X3D
Motherboard	B-650E-E Strix
Cooling	Arctic Cooling III 280
Memory	16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32
Video Card(s)	4070-ti PNY
Storage	500+512+8+8+2+1+1+2+256+8+512+2
Display(s)	VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240
Case	4000D Airflow
Audio Device(s)	Edifier 1280Ts
Power Supply	Shift 1000
Mouse	502 Hero
Keyboard	K68
VR HMD	Steam Deck OLED
Software	EMDB
Benchmark Scores	0>1000

Processor	AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard	Asus TUF Gaming B550-Plus
Cooling	Thermalright Frost Commander 140
Memory	2x16 3200@3733 Crucial Ballistix
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte RX 5600 XT WindForce OC 6G (GV-R56XTWF2OC)
Storage	Some
Display(s)	Acer XV280K
Case	Cooler Master HAF XB EVO
Audio Device(s)	Moondrop Dawn Pro + FiiO FT1
Power Supply	Gamemax GX1050 Pro, 1050W, 80 Plus Platinum
Mouse	Logitech G502SE
Keyboard	Ajazz AK35i with AKKO CS Rose Red Switches and white YMDK PBT keys

System Name	3 "rigs"-gaming/spare pc/cruncher
Processor	R7-5800X3D/i7-7700K/R9-7950X
Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair VI Extreme/Asus Ranger Z170/Asus ROG Crosshair X670E-GENE
Cooling	Bitspower monoblock ,custom open loop,both passive and active/air tower cooler/air tower cooler
Memory	32GB DDR4/32GB DDR4/64GB DDR5
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte RX6900XT Alphacooled/AMD RX5700XT 50th Aniv./SOC(onboard)
Storage	mix of sata ssds/m.2 ssds/mix of sata ssds+an m.2 ssd
Display(s)	Dell UltraSharp U2410 , HP 24x
Case	mb box/Silverstone Raven RV-05/CoolerMaster Q300L
Audio Device(s)	onboard/onboard/onboard
Power Supply	3 Seasonics, a DeltaElectronics, a FractalDesing
Mouse	various/various/various
Keyboard	various wired and wireless
VR HMD	-
Software	W10.someting or another,all 3

System Name	System2 Blacknet , System1 Blacknet2
Processor	System2 Threadripper 1920x, System1 2699 v3
Motherboard	System2 Asrock Fatality x399 Professional Gaming, System1 Asus X99-A
Cooling	System2 Noctua NH-U14 TR4-SP3 Dual 140mm fans, System1 AIO
Memory	System2 64GBS DDR4 3000, System1 32gbs DDR4 2400
Video Card(s)	System2 GTX 980Ti System1 GTX 970
Storage	System2 4x SSDs + NVme= 2.250TB 2xStorage Drives=8TB System1 3x SSDs=2TB
Display(s)	1x27" 1440 display 1x 24" 1080 display
Case	System2 Some Nzxt case with soundproofing...
Audio Device(s)	Asus Xonar U7 MKII
Power Supply	System2 EVGA 750 Watt, System1 XFX XTR 750 Watt
Mouse	Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum
Keyboard	Ducky
Software	Archlinux, Manjaro, Win11 Ent 24h2
Benchmark Scores	It's linux baby!

System Name	ab┃ob
Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

System Name	My Ryzen 7 7700X Super Computer
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7700X
Motherboard	Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX
Cooling	DeepCool AK620 with Arctic Silver 5
Memory	2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 EXPO (CL30)
Video Card(s)	XFX AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE
Storage	Samsung 980 EVO 1 TB NVMe SSD (System Drive), Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB NVMe SSD (Game Drive)
Display(s)	Acer Nitro XV272U (DisplayPort) and Acer Nitro XV270U (DisplayPort)
Case	Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH C
Audio Device(s)	On-Board Sound / Sony WH-XB910N Bluetooth Headphones
Power Supply	MSI A850GF
Mouse	Logitech M705
Keyboard	Steelseries
Software	Windows 11 Pro 64-bit
Benchmark Scores	https://valid.x86.fr/liwjs3

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