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My brother is thinking about getting this...
ASUS TUF Gaming A17 FA707XV-MS94 17.3" Laptop Computer Platinum Collection - Mecha Gray; AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS 4.0GHz - Micro Center
What do you guys think?

I'm only posting it here because technically it is Ryzen related by virtue of it having a Ryzen CPU in it.
It looks a bit thin. Is its cooling good enough for such hardware?

I have to add that I have an aversion to gaming laptops. They're usually heavy, bulky, hot, have shit battery life, or the combination of these.
 
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My brother is thinking about getting this...
ASUS TUF Gaming A17 FA707XV-MS94 17.3" Laptop Computer Platinum Collection - Mecha Gray; AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS 4.0GHz - Micro Center
What do you guys think?

I'm only posting it here because technically it is Ryzen related by virtue of it having a Ryzen CPU in it.
That CPU is a beastly one for sure. Nice specs, and the price isn't bad. Not sure what is the mantra for the 4000 series graphics, as I know the 3060 mobile has at least 3 different versions.
 
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That CPU is a beastly one for sure.
That's what I thought too. It's basically the mobile version of the 7700X, albeit clocked a little bit lower because it's a mobile chip. But who cares?

I just want to have him avoid all of that E-Core vs P-Core bullshit that's happening on the Intel side and get good performance. And AMD appears to be, for the first time in a long time, able to do just that in the mobile sector.
 

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That's what I thought too. It's basically the mobile version of the 7700X, albeit clocked a little bit lower because it's a mobile chip. But who cares?
Not exactly, it is Phoenix instead of Dragon Range. So you get less cache but no latency penalties.

I just want to have him avoid all of that E-Core vs P-Core bullshit that's happening on the Intel side and get good performance. And AMD appears to be, for the first time in a long time, able to do just that in the mobile sector.
Don't forget that the 12th gen mobile CPUs have shockingly bad efficiency, by all accounts.
 

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That's what I thought too. It's basically the mobile version of the 7700X, albeit clocked a little bit lower because it's a mobile chip. But who cares?

I just want to have him avoid all of that E-Core vs P-Core bullshit that's happening on the Intel side and get good performance. And AMD appears to be, for the first time in a long time, able to do just that in the mobile sector.

You shouldn't compare to the 7700X (first off, Dragon Range is the chiplet family not Phoenix); regardless of -U, -H or -HS the mobile parts will absolutely demolish the desktop parts in power and thermal efficiency. AMD makes sure of that. And 7940HS is Phoenix, so thermals/power looks like it should still be good like all its APU predecessors since Renoir.

The problem with Intel mobile isn't the E-cores, the problem is that Intel has had a chronically alarming and unsolvable problem with power and heat for the last 6 generations. It's a bit less of a problem for the bulky big gaming laptops than it is for the ultraportables, since the former can actually cool the Intel chips.

AMD has been killing Intel in performance/efficiency/batt life since Ryzen 4000. It's just a lack of design wins and availability. In the gaming laptops there has still been an argument to opt for Intel -H/HX when pairing with high end GPUs to maximize performance as half cache Zen 2 and 3 couldn't take the absolute top crown......but not anymore as both 7000 families (Dragon Range and Phoenix) should put an end to that.

imo it's a sharp looking laptop at a nice price. You [guys] just have to decide whether you want to be the guinea pig. TUF is Asus' lowest gaming laptop range and there have been flops before (the very first TUF A15), but I'm thinking Asus has had enough time to refine its then-new designs.
 
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My brother is thinking about getting this...
ASUS TUF Gaming A17 FA707XV-MS94 17.3" Laptop Computer Platinum Collection - Mecha Gray; AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS 4.0GHz - Micro Center
What do you guys think?

I'm only posting it here because technically it is Ryzen related by virtue of it having a Ryzen CPU in it.
Ditch the asus software if he can (or debloat it, at the very least) and it should be decent

It's not an intel furnace so hopefully the factory cooling isnt' trash tier

The problem with Intel mobile isn't the E-cores, the problem is that Intel has had a chronically alarming and unsolvable problem with power and heat for the last 6 generations. It's a bit less of a problem for the bulky big gaming laptops than it is for the ultraportables, since the former can actually cool the Intel chips.
The problem is that intels marketing says the E-cores are the solution to the heat/wattage problem, when they only make it worse since they're less efficient than the P cores - and the P-cores have gotten less efficient each gen

The 13700k is the 12900K relabelled, as discussed in another thread... but less efficient in every way. They're stuck without true hardware to launch, so it's refreshes that are really just altered PL1/PL2 settings
It'd be like getting the AMD non X chips, then 2 years and a new mobo later, you got the X models.

Interesting side note:

My Aorus AX370 Gaming 5 system seems to have a flat CMOS battery (woo), but i noticed the stock SoC voltage is now 1.02v - up from 0.95v in all the years i've had the board.
I'm starting to think gigabyte has raised default vSoC on all AM4 boards with 1.2.0.8 - possibly AMD has, if anyone with other boards wants to check what they default to (XMP off, optimised defaults)
 
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I've just tried MSi's latest BIOS for my motherboard, which bears version number 1.80. The beta that preceded it was 1.85. It feels funny to update from 1.85 to 1.80. :laugh: Anyway...

Enabling EXPO gives me 1.3 VSOC on Auto, and for now, I've decided to leave it at that and do some testing.
  • Idle temperature has increased by about 3 °C (from 41 to 44). I could lower it by not running my AIO in semi-passive mode, but what's the point?
  • With stock TDP and PPT (105/142 W), load temp stays below 94 °C, and the Cinebench score is down to 19,200 from around 19,500 with the beta BIOS and 1.2 VSOC. My theory is that the higher VSOC eats more away from the PPT, so there's less power headroom left for the CPU cores, ergo the score loss and slightly lower temperature.
  • Idle package power consumption with background programs running (Steam, GOG Galaxy and the Wargaming.net client) is 28 W, which in Chernobyl terms is "not great, not terrible", I guess.
Now, should I leave it, or should I drop EXPO and shave 10 Watts off of the idle power consumption? It's not like I notice the difference in performance anyway. :oops:
 

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This will go into an X670E Aorus Master in August, well, hopefully I'll get a chance to power it all up once the motherboard arrives.
Still pondering case, but it'll most likely be something from Fractal Design again.
Not sure if I'll keep my Noctua or go back to water, which is what will decide on the case a bit as well.
Anyone has a Torrent Compact or a North and want to share some thoughts?

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Also, out of curiousty, does anyone have a good link to some Ryzen 7 7800X3D memory tests, as I have had a hard time finding any.
As far as I understand it, there isn't a big difference once you reach 5600 MHz.

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This will go into an X670E Aorus Master in August, well, hopefully I'll get a chance to power it all up once the motherboard arrives.
Still pondering case, but it'll most likely be something from Fractal Design again.
Not sure if I'll keep my Noctua or go back to water, which is what will decide on the case a bit as well.
Anyone has a Torrent Compact or a North and want to share some thoughts?

Any ATX 3.0 PSU recomendations?

Also, out of curiousty, does anyone have a good link to some Ryzen 7 7800X3D memory tests, as I have had a hard time finding any.
As far as I understand it, there isn't a big difference once you reach 5600 MHz.

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May I ask why a X670E Aorus Master and not just a B650/X670 chipset? Otherwise I love the choices of ram and cpu.

I want a 7800X3D myself but that will be when there is money for it and my 7700 non-x will go live it's life in a server.
 
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Any ATX 3.0 PSU recomendations?

Also, out of curiousty, does anyone have a good link to some Ryzen 7 7800X3D memory tests, as I have had a hard time finding any.
As far as I understand it, there isn't a big difference once you reach 5600 MHz.

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As far as the ATX 3.0 PSU, I’ve been using the Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 for a few months now and in my sample size of one, Ive had no issues. It was one of the few available at the time and as a bonus I could use the existing cables from the Prime so I didn’t have to re-wire my case other than the new cable to the GPU.
 
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I want a 7800X3D myself but that will be when there is money for it and my 7700 non-x will go live it's life in a server.
I know that feeling. I'm in conflict with myself as well. Part of me says "buy that X3D, you'll be happy with the extra cache", while another part says "you already have a 7700X, what do you need the extra cache for?"
 
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I know that feeling. I'm in conflict with myself as well. Part of me says "buy that X3D, you'll be happy with the extra cache", while another part says "you already have a 7700X, what do you need the extra cache for?"

It's the fastest gaming cpu right now because games like the cache, but I have not regret buying my 7700 non-x only the price wasn't really there because even right now there is like £11-12 difference between the non-x and x model of the 7700 which doesn't make the price attrative, AMD should be able to do better here.

I personally got the 7700 non-x because it's easy to cool, it still puts up a fight and if I need the extra performance reviews has shown that with PBO you can reach the X performance easily and use less power for it most of the time.

I enjoy that I can have a slient computer where the CPU even in the summer right now max reaches 60-65c with my Noctua NH-D15.
 

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Don't make me buy AM5 you guys. You are supposed to stay on AM4 with me :D
 
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It's the fastest gaming cpu right now because games like the cache, but I have not regret buying my 7700 non-x only the price wasn't really there because even right now there is like £11-12 difference between the non-x and x model of the 7700 which doesn't make the price attrative, AMD should be able to do better here.

I personally got the 7700 non-x because it's easy to cool, it still puts up a fight and if I need the extra performance reviews has shown that with PBO you can reach the X performance easily and use less power for it most of the time.

I enjoy that I can have a slient computer where the CPU even in the summer right now max reaches 60-65c with my Noctua NH-D15.
The non-X is probably the best offer AMD currently has. Even with an X, I'd recommend turning on Eco mode (or whatever one's motherboard calls it), unless you have a custom loop or 280 mm AIO at least.

I only bought the X because the non-X was not even in the news back then, but I don't regret it. My motherboard has different TDP toggles, and it's really efficient and cool when limited to 65 W. :)

But now I want an X3D (even though I don't need one) mainly because it runs way cooler while being more powerful in games than my 7700X. :ohwell:

Don't make me buy AM5 you guys. You are supposed to stay on AM4 with me :D
Come to the dark side and fulfil your destiny! :rockout:
 

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The non-X is probably the best offer AMD currently has. Even with an X, I'd recommend turning on Eco mode (or whatever one's motherboard calls it), unless you have a custom loop or 280 mm AIO at least.

I only bought the X because the non-X was not even in the news back then, but I don't regret it. My motherboard has different TDP toggles, and it's really efficient and cool when limited to 65 W. :)

But now I want an X3D (even though I don't need one) mainly because it runs way cooler while being more powerful in games than my 7700X. :ohwell:


Come to the dark side and fulfil your destiny! :rockout:
I cant right now, I need to buy a new GPU :(

My sons 980 Classified gave a really weird uefi error last week. I will give him my 3070 TI..

GPU prices suck. I am looking at an open box 4080.
 

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I know that feeling. I'm in conflict with myself as well. Part of me says "buy that X3D, you'll be happy with the extra cache", while another part says "you already have a 7700X, what do you need the extra cache for?"

Now, should I leave it, or should I drop EXPO and shave 10 Watts off of the idle power consumption? It's not like I notice the difference in performance anyway. :oops:
EXPO (memory bandwidth in general) is less important on a CPU with more L3. More power saved.
 
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EXPO (memory bandwidth in general) is less important on a CPU with more L3. More power saved.
Dammit, one more reason to buy that X3D! Stop it! :laugh:

I cant right now, I need to buy a new GPU :(

My sons 980 Classified gave a really weird uefi error last week. I will give him my 3070 TI..

GPU prices suck. I am looking at an open box 4080.
Why not just buy a less expensive new (or used) GPU for your son?
 

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Dammit, one more reason to buy that X3D! Stop it! :laugh:

Just to add some more peer pressure. :D

Here's some number to look at with the 7000 series and memory scaling.

 
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Because daddy wants a new toy :laugh:
Fair enough. It's not logical, but that's the route I'd go as well. :laugh:

Just to add some more peer pressure. :D

Here's some number to look at with the 7000 series and memory scaling.

It's faster with 4800 MHz RAM than my 7700X with 6000 MHz! :eek: Not to mention the 7800X3D should be even faster than that due to the one CCD design.

I can't resist all this goodness a lot longer. If I didn't have a holiday coming up in 2 weeks, I would have bought one already. :roll:
 
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This will go into an X670E Aorus Master in August, well, hopefully I'll get a chance to power it all up once the motherboard arrives.
Still pondering case, but it'll most likely be something from Fractal Design again.
May find something interesting

Not sure if I'll keep my Noctua or go back to water, which is what will decide on the case a bit as well.
Stay with the Noctua and add the offset mounting bars
And use with a thermal "paste" that can stand higher temperatures and not dry

Any ATX 3.0 PSU recomendations?
Look at
 

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May I ask why a X670E Aorus Master and not just a B650/X670 chipset? Otherwise I love the choices of ram and cpu.
Because it's free?

As far as the ATX 3.0 PSU, I’ve been using the Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 for a few months now and in my sample size of one, Ive had no issues. It was one of the few available at the time and as a bonus I could use the existing cables from the Prime so I didn’t have to re-wire my case other than the new cable to the GPU.
A bit overkill, I'm aiming for 850W, but I guess maybe there's a version in the same series.

May find something interesting
Not sure I trust tech jesus when it comes to cases, he has some weird kind of fetish with regards to holes...
Stay with the Noctua and add the offset mounting bars
Got those in my Amazon basket.
And use with a thermal "paste" that can stand higher temperatures and not dry
Not watching that moron. I got some high-end thermal paste.

Look at
Might go for the be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850W.
 
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