AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT

[dyonoctis]

In case anyone from AMD is reading this page.

This is what a customer sees in Greece, from one of the two retailers who participate in Starfield bundle.

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Someone will have to give me a dozen hallucinatory drugs to make me pay those prices.
I expect other retailers to sell those cards at prices about 100 euros less, but WITHOUT Starfield.

That seems to be a classic "leading retailer premium". France often gets that with LDLC. The best thing to do is to look at shops that can deliver across the EU. RMA will be annoying, but in your case it's literally the price to pay (if you want starfield)

 

[JustBenching]

Only an Nvidia fanboy would judge these cards based on 1080p data just becuase nvidia decides to release cards for 400+ aimed at 1080p performance doesn't mean that's how I will judge them.


That be like me only looking at 4k where it obliterates the 4060ti 16GB in P/P

If you like the 8GB 4060ti better good for you.

Uhm, what? The resolution doesn't really make a difference to my argument. At 1440p the difference is still less than 10% in raster performance per dollar. In fact the 7800xt is tied with the 4060. Considering all the negativity towards these cards, it only logically follows that a card that matches them in performance per dollar and loses on everything else (power draw , features etc.) should receive a similar amount of negativity.

 

[mechtech]

what's the point of selling a product that is identical (or even slower) with the product it replaces? for more money...
seems like the clowns at AMD working overtime again...
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If you look at shaders and ROPs it's more of a 6800 non-xt chip replacement.................which makes it strange they just didn't call it a 7800.................considering the 7600 was basically a 6650xt chip?!?!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Uhm, what? The resolution doesn't really make a difference to my argument. At 1440p the difference is still less than 10% in raster performance per dollar. In fact the 7800xt is tied with the 4060. Considering all the negativity towards these cards, it only logically follows that a card that matches them in performance per dollar and loses on everything else (power draw , features etc.) should receive a similar amount of negativity.

It's not complicated for 4-500 usd I much rather game at 120fps native vs the mid 80s and have to rely on dlss and have double the vram of the 400 usd model. Not even a month ago Nvidia was trying to sell us a joke of a card at the same price that would need nearly 40% more performance to match this in rasterizaion.

 

[mechtech]

Thanks W1zzard; Exactly as expected from TPU.

After you've had a break from testing these new cards I'd love to get a TPU verdict on RDNA2 vs RDNA3 at last. For the first time we have two almost identical configurations in the vanilla 6800 and the 7800XT. Dialling back the clocks of the 7800XT would let you directly compare just the architectures.

I'm guessing the performace increase would be negligable at the same clocks............however if the voltages are decreased along with the clocks, then it may have a good perf/watt increase over the 6800?

 

[JustBenching]

It's not complicated for 4-500 usd I much rather game at 120fps native vs the mid 80s and have to rely on dlss and have double the vram of the 400 usd model. Not even a month ago Nvidia was trying to sell us a joke of a card at the same price that would need nearly 40% more performance to match this in rasterizaion.

Im not gonna argue. If 2 cards have the same performance per dollar then they are either both trash or both good.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Im not gonna argue. If 2 cards have the same performance per dollar then they are either both trash or both good.

Neither of us has to be right or wrong not everyone views things identically. I have no issue with someone deciding this is what's best for them at 500 usd or deciding the 400 usd 4060ti is right for them everyone has to look at all the data and decide for themselves and while it's fun to debate which is better or worse at the end of the day it's just a piece of silicon....

 

[sLowEnd]

Maybe they shouldn't have gotten rid of the 3rd fan for this card. Wow, that reference cooler's performance is lousy.

 

[JustBenching]

Neither of us has to be right or wrong not everyone views things identically. I have no issue with someone deciding this is what's best for them at 500 usd or deciding the 400 usd 4060ti is right for them everyone has to look at all the data and decide for themselves and while it's fun to debate which is better or worse at the end of the day it's just a piece of silicon....

Don't think the 4060ti is better. I think they are both mediocre. Is the 7800xt less mediocre? Situationally sure. I mean it's basically a 6800xt. Not even the power draw has been lowered. So it's a 150$ MSRP drop between the 2020 6800xt and today's 7800xt

 

[Vya Domus]

So, one would think that the rival for the old RTX 3080's replacement should be the replacement of its rival, the RX 6800 XT, eh?

One would think, emphasis on think because it seems the people who are drawing these parallel do not seem to use their brain.

The 4080 despite being a "replacement" for the 3080 is a whopping 500 dollars more than the 3080 was at launch. So it's a replacement only if you ignore that astronomical 70% increase in price. Meanwhile the 7800XT is 500 dollars vs 650 dollars that the 6800XT was at launch, so it's actually cheaper.

So, if one were to think, they'd realize they have to look at the prices and come to the conclusion that neither of these cards are replacements for their older counterparts.

 

[Lew Zealand]

These are utter trash... GUTTER trash even! Let's look at what the RX 7800 XT should be, eh?

Once upon a time, there were two rival cards called the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080. They were very equally matched in gaming performance. The RTX 3080 was better at ray-tracing but the RX 6800 XT had 60% more VRAM.

Time passed and the RTX 3080 was replaced by the RTX 4080. Fast-forward to today and the RX 6800 XT has been replaced by the RX 7800 XT. So, one would think that the rival for the old RTX 3080's replacement should be the replacement of its rival, the RX 6800 XT, eh?

Nvidia released a $1200 card they call the 4080.
AMD released a $500 card they call the 7800 XT.

They chose to do different things with their completely arbitrary names. I have ZERO problem with that because they can call them your Great Aunt Gertrude if they want.

What matters is FPS and features for your money. Semantic naming screeds are useless tiresome time-wasters.

 

[TheDeeGee]

That tells me nothing, as it's impossible to show. on my screen with a video as it's already compressed & shrinked.
You can overlay a picture with software to find faults in each upscaling tech. The fact no one is doing is it proof it just a myth "that it's better than Native."
This was done years ago to prove picture quality differences in cpu's.

You didn't even bother to watch the video or watch it on a 5 inch phone, but whatever. AMD fanboys never believe anything anyways, and i'm wasting my time writing this ffs.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Don't think the 4060ti is better. I think they are both mediocre. Is the 7800xt less mediocre? Situationally sure. I mean it's basically a 6800xt. Not even the power draw has been lowered. So it's a 150$ MSRP drop between the 2020 6800xt and today's 7800xt

Every GPU this Generation has downsides it's up to the buyer to decide what downsides they are most willing to live with. 20% is about where I value Nvidia's DLSS and RT performance over RDNA3 some might put a bigger number on it some less. Some might value a card that only consumes 160w vs a 300w one I don't I can afford the extra 7 usd a month if it came down to that.

For anyone who doesn't care about RT or Upscaling they get 4070 like performance for 100 usd cheaper with some extra vram thrown in on top not a terrible deal.

You didn't even bother to watch the video or watch it on a 5 inch phone, but whatever. AMD fanboys never believe anything anyways, and i'm wasting my time writing this ffs.

It would be interesting if he is an AMD fanboy rocking SLI 2080ti

 

[zmeul]

cheaper than the 4070?
on paper, because around here the 4070 is ~30$ more than the 7800XT

and here's the kicker for 7800XT, it arrived late and in terms of power consumption is worse than the 4070 - around here the electricity prices have skyrocketed

 

[Dr. Dro]

Nice work, W1zz. Bitter pill to swallow seeing the 6800 XT ahead of this, but I guess there's no use. AMD's not in their best state right now. Here's hoping RDNA 4 does better.

Also, not exactly a bad GPU if it can be purchased for a low price. When the sales knocking $100 off MSRP come, it'll do. It's just not the kind of product an enthusiast will be happy purchasing, though.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

cheaper than the 4070?
on paper, because around here the 4070 is ~30$ more than the 7800XT

and here's the kicker for 7800XT, it arrived late and in terms of power consumption is worse than the 4070 - around here the electricity prices have skyrocketed

If electricity cost is a concern you shouldnt be buying $500 GPUs in the first place.

Nice work, W1zz. Bitter pill to swallow seeing the 6800 XT ahead of this, but I guess there's no use. AMD's not in their best state right now. Here's hoping RDNA 4 does better.

Also, not exactly a bad GPU if it can be purchased for a low price. When the sales knocking $100 off MSRP come, it'll do. It's just not the kind of product an enthusiast will be happy purchasing, though.

As it is now, its a great GPU for those whom wanted a RX 6000 but couldnt get one mid pandemic, and havent grabbed one on sale yet. At $400-450 its be an absolute steal for the performance it offers. Especially considering real world inflation of 20%+ since the 6800xt released.

 

[wolf]

Tuning Maxwell, Pascal, Polaris, RDNA 1 all gave me higher than 10% from stock.

I even posted on these very forums a 'mini review' of the 570 and 460 with a focus on OC's, here are the results. (shame TPU image hosting is bust now )

GTX460 gains ~31% from overclock
GTX570 gains ~23% from overclock

I'd call 23-31% way more than 10% personally, contrary to prior assertions in this thread, but that's par for the course.

As for this card... time will tell it's success based on price and availability I suppose. Makes me pretty content with my purchase decision that's for sure.

 

[ValenOne]

what's the point of selling a product that is identical (or even slower) with the product it replaces? for more money...
seems like the clowns at AMD working overtime again...
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RDNA 3 has native support for Microsoft's incoming Shader Model 6.8's Wave Matrix Multiply Accumulate (tensor-like extensions).

Techpowerup's RX 6800 XT was a reference design.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You sure you're not the clown? Can I call you It?

Nobody can deny the fact that the naming is dumb and that due to AMD in their infinite wisdom way over estimated RDNA2 demand that allowed previous generation GPU's to drop by 30-40% and still be on the market 8-9 months post RDNA3 launch...

Technically good for the consumer but it does make current generation cards look way less appealing. 7800XT seems to be selling fine over half the listing in the states are out of stock already so it probably doesn't matter.

 

[Kapone33]

At Canada Computers all 7800Xts are gone and Newegg has limited stock left. Even for the 7700XT it is basically the same.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

At Canada Computers all 7800Xts are gone and Newegg has limited stock left. Even for the 7700XT it is basically the same.

Seems to be selling well which isn't a huge surprise given what's been released this generation so far even I almost grabbed one for my Brother.

 

[MarsM4N]

Welcome to the world of stagnation. The 7800 XT could basically only be recommended to folks who want to get "STARFIELD Premium Edition" at day 1. Then it's a kinda good deal.

Other than that I really appreciate the new Cooler Performance review page. Pure gold.

10% is pretty good, even historically speaking, there never was "way more" than that.

Undervolting or overclocking is basically the same thing with AMD cards, in case you didn't know.

Could be a "Golden Sample". ComputerBase could only achieve a OC of 5% on the 7800 XT. And for the 5% more performance the card draws 15% more power. +38W, topping out at 290W.

Performance/Watt with 144FPS Limit also sucks, esp. at 1080p. 29% less efficient compared to the 4070 FE is kinda crazy!

Also I don't think that undervolting & overclocking is the same thing. You can reduce voltage + reduce power limit ("underclocking" to reduce power draw) or you can do what Wizz did to get the most frames out of the card, at all costs. There is also something balanced in between if you choose to. Non the less, power reduction options are very limited compared to the previous 6000 Series.

If electricity cost is a concern you shouldnt be buying $500 GPUs in the first place.

Nonsense. Kinda crazy there are still folks out there who don't understand the difference of fix costs and running costs.

If you live in a country with very high electricity costs and you play a lot it makes financial sense at the end of the day. Reduced heat (or global warming, cough) in the room might also be an argument for some.

 

[SunWukong]

Nobody can deny the fact that the naming is dumb and that due to AMD in their infinite wisdom way over estimated RDNA2 demand that allowed previous generation GPU's to drop by 30-40% and still be on the market 8-9 months post RDNA3 launch...

Technically good for the consumer but it does make current generation cards look way less appealing. 7800XT seems to be selling fine over half the listing in the states are out of stock already so it probably doesn't matter.

HAHA I thought r/amd, videocardz, WCCCFT is bad. But trolls are trolls. It is not hard to imagine anti-AMD trolls and haters pretty much everywhere.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

HAHA I thought r/amd, videocardz, WCCCFT is bad. But trolls are trolls. It is not hard to imagine anti-AMD trolls and haters pretty much everywhere.

Lay off that red coolaid bruh it will do you some good. Pretty sure @GerKNG owns more AMD cards than the majority of users on this forum just saying....

 

[Denver]

today is the 06.09.2023. a 6800XT costs 500 bucks. the MSRP is irrelevant.
this product replaces a 500 dollar GPU which is exactly the same and in some instances even faster. for almost 600 dollars...

It's not replacing a $500 GPU, it's replacing a GPU that correcting for inflation would be $700, MSRP (sustainable pricing, where the store and AMD aren't just taking a loss). Here the 6800XT is out of stock in most stores anyway, It's just a matter of time.

What I think is that AMD should have simply called it the 7800(non-X) and avoided these pointless comparisons.