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I believe it was in an interview with GN but not certain and really don't feel like looking it up. Better than 50% certain it was GN where he said he was retiring and doesn't believe anyone could do the job in his place.
It was.

I was sad. But some good points were made. They were trying to make money, scrimped on design, and paid for it.
 
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EVGA's standards were already falling.
No they weren't. At least not more or less than any other company.
The 2000s have overheating RAM and the 3000s were blowing capacitors.
Again, not more or less than any other the company's.

I believe it was in an interview with GN but not certain and really don't feel like looking it up. Better than 50% certain it was GN where he said he was retiring and doesn't believe anyone could do the job in his place.
It was.

I was sad. But some good points were made. They were trying to make money, scrimped on design, and paid for it.
Link? Oh yeah and I forgot to ask, got a link?
 
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We have been over this topic numerous times, some TPU forum participants have exceptionally short memories since it happened just two years ago.

To summarize, read this ExtremeTech article when it unraveled:


The tech media was awash with these articles ad nauseam in mid-September 2022, this was not the only one. Many of these articles refer to the GamersNexus conversation by Steve.

Whether it's true or not, at the time some people claimed that EVGA CEO Andrew Han was actually pals with Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang. Nvidia's business practices put a strain on their personal friendship but may have been the reason why EVGA did not jump ship to another GPU company (AMD, Intel). Presumably Han did not want to screw over his old friend Huang even though he received rough treatment (from a business perspective). The ExtremeTech article is handy because they bulletpoint Han's decisions. Han was very clear that he did not intend on branching out into new products.

Sometimes business interests and personal friendships don't align with each other. This is not specific to the tech industry, it has been the case probably since the third business in history started.

So EVGA bailed out of the graphics card business (as well as the motherboard business) and winded down their operations to just selling a few higher-margin items like PSUs.

That's why I called it a zombie company. It's pretty much on autopilot. They probably have one or two electrical engineers to qualify PSU designs from manufacturing partner(s) plus a marketing person or two. My guess is support is almost entirely outsourced. Maybe a couple of retail sales/support staff and one or two in channel sales.

I wouldn't be surprised if EVGA PSUs are of decent build quality but for sure they aren't going to be innovating with new designs. It's probably just a little steady cash flow to keep up with any old product warranty claims until those warranties expire.

When Han wants to leave the building, he will shut down PSU sales and keep a couple of people on call for tech support/warranty claims. My hunch is that he's waiting for the right buyer for the company's property (the real estate not product inventory). When that happens there's probably scant reason to keep the company going. He has no interest in selling the trademark, brand, or goodwill.

This company is essentially done. The EVGA we see today in October 2024 was outlined by Han two years ago.

You all have beaten this horse into a bloody pulp many times over. Time for TPU readers to move on.
 
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The (mostly 3090) EVGA cards that were failing in New World (among other things) mostly due to a cheap poor design for the voltage regulators. Nvidia approved it, but it was still on EVGA to design and validate and it was not good. That's why their 3080TI had an entirely different VRM configuration and was a very robust card. The newest revision 3090 from them had an improved design, but all the Nvidia 3090's suffered from overheating memory due to putting it on the back-side of the card where very little heatsinking was possible out of the box. Every 3090 will fail sooner than it should due to that...from all brands...unless some aftermarket cooling is employed that also cools the back-side memory well. EVGA blamed a bad batch of solder (which may have also been true lol), but they never gave a serial number range or any way to track which "batch" it was other than all 0.1Revision cards, which is more indicative of a design issue...which they had. It could not hold up to sudden changes in loading that caused current spikes and dramatic voltage changes. Buildzoid had a really good analysis of their design and I believe he also showed the improvements on the 3080ti. There were other cards on the market that failed in New World and other poorly optimized titles (or titles that had sudden dramatic load fluctuations...which to be clear should not kill a card), but yes, EVGA's 3090's were definitely top of the list due to their cheap VRM design that they had been using for years while some other companies moved on to better designs.

My 3080Ti died about 3 months after having it. I just took out a Nazi around 400m in Sniper Elite 5 and my computer turned off. The system wouldn't boot with the GPU installed. Tried it with another PSU and in another system and with the card installed the systems wouldn't power. EVGA had a replacement 3080Ti out to me 6 days later - this is the time it took for me to send my card in, them to receive it and send out a replacement.

I'm not sure if it was bad luck or a similar issue some of the 3090s had.

Replacement card has been going strong for about 2 years now. Hopefully this one keeps going.

Otherwise any other EVGA GPU I've owned over the years has had zero issues - going from the 8800 GTS 640MB and 512MB cards, GTX 570 and my current 3080Ti (not the original one, you know, because it died on me).
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if EVGA PSUs are of decent build quality but for sure they aren't going to be innovating with new designs.
I talked to a reviewer earlier in the year and they said they had no responses from EVGA and basically believed they were done. Aris from HB got his hands on a unit to review a few months ago but his comments are pretty telling as well

"EVGA might be a shadow of its former self, but it still offers some products, including the FTW PSU line, which consists of two members with 850W and 1000W max power. Thanks to a good friend of mine, since I don’t have any relations with EVGA anymore, I got a new SuperNOVA 850G FTW, which I will evaluate in this review.....
The overall performance is not that high, but the difference form the majority of options in this category is not large."


If EVGA folds, remains a shell of its former self, or gets sold I'm not losing any sleep over it. This happens all the time in this industry.

Link? Oh yeah and I forgot to ask, got a link?
you can probably find it on youtube, I believe the entire "interview" was done over email.
 

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Link? Oh yeah and I forgot to ask, got a link?
Dude, no. No I don't. I'm not going to find a reference to a story from 2 years ago. If you are in here laughing at every post I make, you should have already known the story. Figure it out for yourself. Start with the GN announcement video where the story broke. Maybe it is in there, or maybe it is in one of the proceeding update articles or videos.

The facts:
The owner was interviewed.
The owner said he was retiring eventually.
The owner said he would not sell the company.

Until you hear an update from the owner where he says he changed his mind, that is where it rests.
 
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Not offhand, but it is one of the GN EVGA vids, lots of views
The link to the GN YouTube video is in the ExtremeTech article I mentioned above. Here it is


and has 1.8 million views.

As another forum participant mentioned, this was not an on-camera face-to-face interview between Steve Burke and Andrew Han. The interview happened offline and Steve just summarized the discussion points covered in the conversation.

None of this is new. It wasn't new when OP started this thread in December 2023 either.
 
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Thats the one.
 
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My 3080Ti died about 3 months after having it. I just took out a Nazi around 400m in Sniper Elite 5 and my computer turned off. The system wouldn't boot with the GPU installed. Tried it with another PSU and in another system and with the card installed the systems wouldn't power. EVGA had a replacement 3080Ti out to me 6 days later - this is the time it took for me to send my card in, them to receive it and send out a replacement.

I'm not sure if it was bad luck or a similar issue some of the 3090s had.

Replacement card has been going strong for about 2 years now. Hopefully this one keeps going.

Otherwise any other EVGA GPU I've owned over the years has had zero issues - going from the 8800 GTS 640MB and 512MB cards, GTX 570 and my current 3080Ti (not the original one, you know, because it died on me).

Sorry if it seemed like I suggested that all of their 3080ti's were perfect. I wouldn't make that claim about anybody's products lol. There's fallout on most products, especially high-volume ones of any complexity. That definitely sounds like something in the card shorted out and caused the PSU(s) to go into protection mode. Glad they sorted it out for you. I was just trying to provide some background information on what was a real problem on their 3090's and how their 3080ti's had a much more robust design.

I have had several of their products over the years and had 2 RMAs...one for a 680i motherboard that was frying memory modules (replaced no problem) and an 8800GTX GPU that we couldn't diagnose erratic behavior from that turned out to be Windows Vista needing more memory lol, but they still replaced the card for me no problem when they couldn't explain it as a separate issue (I figured out the memory issue using a weaker backup card while waiting for the RMA). I always had good support from them, even before I got involved in any affiliate stuff (never had issues after that). Not a bad result considering I've had 2x 8800GTX's, a GTX285, GTX470, GTX680, GTX1080FTW2, RTX2080Super, RTX 3080ti, 680i, 780i, x58, x99, z590, z690, Supernova G1 1000W, Supernova G3 1000W

Being a long time member of their forums though, I know a lot of people had a variety of luck and I've heard horror stories from people dealing with all AIBs, including EVGA (I've heard more there than anywhere, but that's because I am a regular on their forums and the other companies either don't have forums or they have bad forums lol).

As another forum participant mentioned, this was not an on-camera face-to-face interview between Steve Burke and Andrew Han. The interview happened offline and Steve just rehashed what was covered in the conversation.

None of this is new. It wasn't new when OP started this thread in December 2023 either.
This was a huge fumble from EVGA, but it was intentional from Han. They didn't actually make a clear announcement to the public. He appreciated the relationship he had with Jay, Steve, (and a third I can't remember of the top of my head) and he invited them for a private conversation, letting them announce their version of events on their own channels. The problem that created is that all we really have is the re-telling of a private conversation from 3 people who are not Andrew Han. All we got "officially" was this forum post.

Then you had all the key staff leaving...support staff posting things like "we're still here!" and that Kingpin hasn't left (he clearly did lol). So it looks like the original statements from GN are holding true...Han didn't want to retire immediately, but wanted to reduce stress and spend more time with family. The low margins on GPUs and increased problems in the business relationship with Nvidia caused him to pick that moment to cancel their 40-series plans and start the wind-down. Staff were let go (with little to no warning before the GN/J2C/etc. videos went out), other staff left, the web-store was closed with all product sales going through distribution partners, they stopped offering new products, they ended all their special programs that helped grow their reputation and customer-base in the first place (ELITE program, BUCKs program, Step-up program, Affiliate program, extended warranties, etc.). The one set of power supplies they already had in development launched with 3-year warranties...it's clear that this is a slow wind-down, and my guess is that they know they won't be able to sell the products they already had manufacturing contracts/commitments for if people know the company is definitely going away, so they're just trying to quietly float by with their limited support and what staff they have left while all the warranty windows come to an end.

This is why threads like this still have people arguing about whether or not they'll come back. They didn't just come out and say "we're winding down". There was another GN video (a HW-news one) that came out well after the one above where they had enough people message them for an update that they just said (paraphrasing): "there is no update...they're winding down". They also had the video from one of the conferences where they interviewed Kingpin and the motherboard BIOS team about what they did and how they have to find new jobs.
 
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Dude, no. No I don't. I'm not going to find a reference to a story from 2 years ago. If you are in here laughing at every post I make, you should have already known the story. Figure it out for yourself. Start with the GN announcement video where the story broke. Maybe it is in there, or maybe it is in one of the proceeding update articles or videos.

The facts:
The owner was interviewed.
The owner said he was retiring eventually.
The owner said he would not sell the company.

Until you hear an update from the owner where he says he changed his mind, that is where it rests.
If you're going to make a claim, you should back it with evidence. Others have already linked the interview in the time it took you to type this.
No they weren't. At least not more or less than any other company.
I think there was one? gigabyte 3090 that failed. Everything else was EVGA.
Again, not more or less than any other the company's.
EVGA had to send out a recall to replace thermal pads. Nobody else did.
Link? Oh yeah and I forgot to ask, got a link?
What, like a sausage link? Or the green hat HIYYA variety?
 
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This was a huge fumble from EVGA, but it was intentional from Han.
You had mentioned it earlier but there was also a reddit thread about the glassdoor employee reviews of EVGA. Virtually all of them complained about the CEO (Han) not just for his leadership ability (or lack there of) but also treating people inhumanely. If all the people who made EVGA "EVGA" have left, been fired, got lost in the cafeteria never to be seen again than why are we (as in many in this thread) so worried about a company that is run by a person many people believe to be a total a-hole?

*side not; great having you in this forum
 
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If you're going to make a claim, you should back it with evidence. Others have already linked the interview in the time it took you to type this.
I have no time for him. I provided my information and background. All he did was laugh. People like that don't deserve attention. The rest of you can see what is believable, confirm for yourself, and be involved in constructive conversation. Thanks to those who were interested in looking and sharing knowledge.
 
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I think there was one? gigabyte 3090 that failed. Everything else was EVGA.
not disputing that EVGA 3090's had super high failure rate (see previous post where I provided a recap on why lol), but there were other brands with higher than normal failures due to the 3090 having considerably higher current spikes than any previous generation and most of the designs didn't accommodate that well. Even a lot of power supplies were causing issues and companies like Seasonic were replacing them with revised versions that could handle the spikes. There are multiple Gigabyte failure claims in this thread alone. An Asus Strix in this thread. Yes, the overwhelming majority were EVGA cards due to aforementioned reasons, but it was more than one other 3090 lol. Also, more than just New World. That game was just launched in a state that it performed worse than a planned stress test on your GPU and it would show weakness in cards that stress tests didn't catch. There were other games (usually older titles) that did the same, but New World definitely made a name for itself.

You had mentioned it earlier but there was also a reddit thread about the glassdoor employee reviews of EVGA. Virtually all of them complained about the Han the CEO not just for his leadership ability (or lack there of) but also treating people inhumanely. If all the people who made EVGA "EVGA" have left, been fired, got lost in the cafeteria never to be seen again than why are we (as in many this thread) so worried about a company that is run by a person many people believe to be a total a-hole?

*side not; great having you in this forum

(thanks!)

Also, yes, I'm trying to figure out who looks at all the available evidence and first-hand accounts from people who talked to Andrew Han (Jay and Steve) and say they're winding down and then come to the conclusion "Maybe they'll come back" or "we don't know they're winding down" lol.
 
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evga had a good run. they had some amazing cards and psus...also some turdburgers but I don't want to talk about those
 
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They didn't just come out and say "we're winding down".
And EVGA representative posted this to their forum:


It was clear enough. They don't need a press conference on the White House lawn or anything like that. Steve Burke had a private conversation with Andrew Han who undoubtedly approved Steve disseminating this information. It was duly picked up by pretty much all tech media outlets.

It was a pretty orderly winding down of their GPU product line. They simply didn't offer any 40-series graphics cards. Since development of those takes time (as well as setting up manufacturing contracts, etc.), they likely made the decision 6-9 months before the 40-series cards were launched. The RTX 4090 announcement date was September 20, 2022 so most likely the decision to bail out of the graphics card market was made in Q1 2022, maybe even Q4 2021.

Most businesses don't say they are closing up shop whether it be a chain of paint stores (Kelly-Moore in California) or some mom-and-pop restaurant. EVGA didn't revoke any warranty coverage. They sold their remaining inventory and eventually removed the graphics cards from their online store.

Remember that EVGA is still in business. They did not file for bankruptcy. If your local sandwich shop discontinues their vegan tofu offerings, they don't need to hold a press conference or schedule television interviews.

Maybe some other media outlets asked them for additional statements and they declined. That's their choice.

You have to understand that EVGA didn't really do anything drastically different than so many other companies that have discontinued products over centuries of human business history.

EVGA made their statement over two years ago. Beating a dead horse in a bloody pulp isn't going to bring it back to life unless you are completely clueless and naïve. I know there are people on the Internet who are though...
 
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They don't need a press conference on the White House lawn or anything like that.
I hear the Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philly in available for press conferences.
 
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The link to the GN YouTube video is in the ExtremeTech article I mentioned above. Here it is
Not sure I'd seen it yet.
I saw the link but didn't watch it - and I'm not going to either. Why? Because I really am tired of these videos taking almost 30 minutes to say what could have been said in 5.

We have been over this topic numerous times, some TPU forum participants have exceptionally short memories since it happened just two years ago.
Some TPU forum participants may have short memories, but sadly, many don't bother to read what has already been said in the thread. So they state it again as if something new. :( At the same time, as noted above (my bold underline added),
The tech media was awash with these articles ad nauseam in mid-September 2022, this was not the only one. Many of these articles refer to the GamersNexus conversation by Steve.
So once again, the same source is repeated and repeated and instead of the original story being the news, suddenly there are 1000s and 1000s of stories when really it is only 1 being repeated 1000s and 1000s of times. :(

Remember that EVGA is still in business. They did not file for bankruptcy.
A critically important point considering the 9 pages of posts in this thread declaring EVGA dead, nearly dead, or one of the walking dead. :kookoo:
 

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They are the walking dead, a zombie corporation waiting to take one in the head :D

I sure would feel silly if they started to produce AMD GPU's..

My magic 8 ball is not being cooperative right now.
 
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And EVGA representative posted this to their forum:


It was clear enough. They don't need a press conference on the White House lawn or anything like that. Steve Burke had a private conversation with Andrew Han who undoubtedly approved Steve disseminating this information. It was duly picked up by pretty much all tech media outlets.

It was a pretty orderly winding down of their GPU product line. They simply didn't offer any 40-series graphics cards. Since development of those takes time (as well as setting up manufacturing contracts, etc.), they likely made the decision 6-9 months before the 40-series cards were launched. The RTX 4090 announcement date was September 20, 2022 so most likely the decision to bail out of the graphics card market was made in Q1 2022, maybe even Q4 2021.

Most businesses don't say they are closing up shop whether it be a chain of paint stores (Kelly-Moore in California) or some mom-and-pop restaurant. EVGA didn't revoke any warranty coverage. They sold their remaining inventory and eventually removed the graphics cards from their online store.

Remember that EVGA is still in business. They did not file for bankruptcy. If your local sandwich shop discontinues their vegan tofu offerings, they don't need to hold a press conference or schedule television interviews.

Maybe some other media outlets asked them for additional statements and they declined. That's their choice.

You have to understand that EVGA didn't really do anything drastically different than so many other companies that have discontinued products over centuries of human business history.

EVGA made their statement over two years ago. Beating a dead horse in a bloody pulp isn't going to bring it back to life unless you are completely clueless and naïve. I know there are people on the Internet who are though...
I posted that link earlier. That's all we got and it didn't say anything about winding down the whole business or dropping motherboards too (as well as any new power supply or peripheral designs). It just stated that they are not supporting next generation video cards. So when they continued dropping more product-lines, ended production on existing product-lines, and only continued to sell things that had already been developed during that interim timeline, it paints a pretty clear picture that they're going away.

I'm not sure if your point was to me or others, but I didn't say they are dead...I only said they are winding down and on their way to a slow close (of more than just the announced GPU business). The whole reason this conversation kicked back off is because they recently (to the great surprise of myself and many others) released not one, but two new beta BIOS versions that include updated micro-codes from Intel to address the 13th/14th-gen over-voltage issues. So they're clearly trying somewhat to support the products that are still under warranty. They did end their extended warranty program though and offered refunds to people who bought extended GPU warranties. They didn't remove the ones that had already been purchased, but they did end the program so nobody else could purchase one.

Also, I didn't expect a white-house lawn press conference (or Philadelphia landscaping company office press conference lol), but a clearer communication (even as a forum post) that all product-lines are eventually ending would have been helpful and prevented a lot of this "coming back" talk. I didn't require that, but it just seems like others (even in this thread) did need something along those lines because they don't understand the situation and are still argumentative about it when you present it to them.

As for your mom and pop sandwich shop analogy, this is more like they said "we're no longer selling our most popular turkey sandwiches, but we still support all other product lines" and then the menu just says "out of stock" for all sandwich types, eventually all sides, and now there's just one staff member left saying "we have a couple old cases of diet Mr. Pibb left if you want one of those...all of our staff is still here, people lied about us firing the kitchen-staff...ummm...no, we have no plans to make more sandwiches, fries, or any food...but yeah we're definitely still in business!...nothing to worry about..." (back to EVGA now) Sure, the doors are still open, they made tons of money in the 30-series launch (which was also discussed in the GN pieces for those unwilling to research the literal only source of information we have on this topic), and they're trying to do the right thing in supporting existing warranties so I'd give them credit for that. Yes, this happens all the time in businesses so no it's not a completely abnormal or strange occurrence, but that makes it even more strange that people read all the writing on the wall, refuse to watch the videos from the only people Andrew Han talked to, and then tell the people that were paying attention that they're nuts. I don't get it. I guess I can just chalk that up to it being the internet and people will disagree with anything.
 
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KingPin has moved from EVGA to PNY from what I have gathered. So will be looking at PNY top end cards in the future in hopes of some better Stuff from them, rather than their lackluster Signature cards which always seemed to be poor over-clockers.

Hopefully, EVGA made a great name for themselves (I think they did) and cards like my EVGA 980ti will sell for big money. Has a full cover waterblock. I figure it's worth 300 bucks (dare to dream) cause it's EVGA and it clocks like a mad dog. :)
 
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Yes, this happens all the time in businesses so no it's not a completely abnormal or strange occurrence, but that makes it even more strange that people read all the writing on the wall, refuse to watch the videos from the only people Andrew Han talked to, and then tell the people that were paying attention that they're nuts. I don't get it. I guess I can just chalk that up to it being the internet and people will disagree with anything.
Media literacy online is at an all-time low and continues to decline.

The Internet wasn't like this back in the 1990s. It has become this way since the smartphone became ubiquitous. Not coincidentally that's right around the time when social media started sliding down hard. Circa 2012.

The Internet was populated by mostly sane people in 2004. Today it's like the fences to a psych ward were breached and the former inhabitants have overrun the neighborhood. And some of them beat dead horses like EVGA's graphics card business. The Internet is where crazies go to find like-minded people.

Funny, just like Raccoon City...

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Media literacy online is at an all-time low and continues to decline.

The Internet wasn't like this back in the 1990s. It has become this way since the smartphone became ubiquitous. Not coincidentally that's right around the time when social media started sliding down hard. Circa 2012.

The Internet was populated by mostly sane people in 2004. Today it's mostly an online psych ward. That's why people beat dead horses like EVGA's graphics card business.
Bullshit, I was on the internet in 2004 (some claim I'm not sane....). Everyone was. I saw your MySpace account dude. Actually quite impressive :laugh:
 
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Bullshit, I was on the internet in 2004 (some claim I'm not sane....). Everyone was. I saw your MySpace account dude. Actually quite impressive :laugh:
MySpace was awesome back in the day. It was about people coming together mostly for music. And no overbearing monetization, SEO crap, influencers, etc. I wish there was a place like that in 2024 to share music interests that wasn't so blatantly about waving dollar bills.

There weren't streaming services like Pandora yet so bands just uploaded low-bitrate MP3s for people to enjoy, get familiar with their music. It was a godsend back them. You'd flip open the back of some indie newspaper, peruse the concert listings and see a bunch of bands you never heard of before. But with MySpace you finally had a chance of hearing a couple of songs, maybe enough to make you head out to the venue and catch their show.

Twitter was also awesome circa 2007-2010. Instagram was wonderful between 2010-2012 (until Facebook acquired it).

Today we have people on the TPU discussion forum still continuing to beat a horse that died in September 2022. Distasteful? You be the judge.

But credit to you for remembering online 2004. Some people here can't even remember what happened last week, let alone two years ago. Attention spans and memory retention have fallen off a cliff.
 
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