How many are using 24h2? Problems still?

[lexluthermiester]

Try it for yourself.

I already have. Not seeing the problems.

Bench an early version of 11 or 10 vs 24h2 and see for yourself if you don't believe the countless posts on the internet.

I have and I don't. Those "countless" posters are doing something wrong. And it's likely something simple, something me and others not having these problems are not missing.

Yes, there's a group policy option to disable updating to 24H2 on 11 and likely update to 11 from 10. Windows could update to 24H2 without warning, especially on 11. Also nags on 10.

Ah right.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

It's here:

Specify Target Feature Update Version in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to specify a TargetReleaseVersion version of Windows 11 you want to move to or stay on in Windows Update until it reaches end of service in Windows 11 Pro, Enterprise, or Education. Windows Update keeps Windows 11 updated by automatically downloading and...

www.elevenforum.com

Also, it looks like 24H2 broke AM5 system support. AM4 seems to be having major gains, especially just from a Windows update!

Saw this:

 

[phanbuey]

I already have. Not seeing the problems.

I have and I don't. Those "countless" posters are doing something wrong. And it's likely something simple, something me and others not having these problems are not missing.


Ah right.

Right... All those enthusiasts with clean installs are wrong, and you, who have not done any testing, is right. Got it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Right...

Yes

All those enthusiasts with clean installs are wrong

Clean default installs? Yeah! What a shocker eh?

who have not done any testing

What part of...

I already have.

...did you not understand? Hmm? Calling me a lair is not going to solve a problem, it's only make create a bigger problem.

Just because you and others are having the same results doesn't mean you're right. It means that you all, and try to follow along here, are missing something. What that something is has yet to be determined and it's not my job or onus to figure it out for you, that's on those having the problem.

 

[AVATARAT]

Tell me what to test, I don't have a clean install either
(too lazy to reinstall right now, but I want to )

Or you can always do this to repair your Windows installation (sometimes it helps) in powershell/cmd:

Repair-WindowsImage -Online -CheckHealth
Repair-WindowsImage -Online -ScanHealth
Repair-WindowsImage -Online -RestoreHealth
sfc /scannow
Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth
Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

I just did a fresh install on both machines, and yes - raptor lake, alder lake lose massively in the lows compared to 10 and early W11. High power plan and locked cores... Try it for yourself. Bench an early version of 11 or 10 vs 24h2 and see for yourself if you don't believe the countless posts on the internet.

RL/AL some users still reporting problems with 24H2.

 

[grvn]

Right... All those enthusiasts with clean installs are wrong, and you, who have not done any testing, is right. Got it.

He is kinda defending Windows 11 and I don't know why. I couldn't care less about 7 / 10 / 11/ 1000 as long as it has good performance.

At the moment, from my testing, and from Tech Yes City videos and from other I posted, Windows 11 24h2 has stutter / frame-time issues for Ryzen CPU's - I don't have Intel so I cannot comment on that.

I've even even added my examples here:

Windows 10 22h2 vs Windows 11 24h2 CS2 mini-stutter

Also linked this video below which shows that Windows 11 24h2 has terrible 0.1% and 1% lows compared to Windows 10 22h2 - and note that this is with the latest 9800x3d - which should have all the optimization patches from MS / AMD applied (which supposedly Windows 10 doesn't have them but still has better performance LOL)

Also, it looks like 24H2 broke AM5 system support. AM4 seems to be having major gains, especially just from a Windows update!

Too bad he doesn't compare 11 24h2 with 10 22h2

 

[lexluthermiester]

He is kinda defending Windows 11 and I don't know why.

No, I'm stating factual information and standing my ground. Subtle things seemingly easily overlooked.

 

[phanbuey]

No, I'm stating factual information and standing my ground. Subtle things seemingly easily overlooked.

Your 'factual information', comes without any proof, and is contradicted by factual information that comes with actual benchmarks, and side by side proof that shows the two systems are different, which is also my/other users' experience. I'm not calling you a liar, im just pointing out your 'factual information' is inferior in light of 0 actual side by sides.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Your 'factual information', comes without any proof

Is that so? Show us all articles about this performance problem from more than one source.

and is contradicted by factual information that comes with actual benchmarks, and side by side proof that shows the two systems are different, which is also my/other users' LIMITED experience.

Fixed that for you. The experiences you and others are having are not universal, IE, not EVERYONE is having that experience. Thus..

im just pointing out your 'factual information' is inferior in light of 0 actual side by sides.

Ok, you tell me how I'm supposed to replicate a problem YOU are having that I am not. I have no interest in proving my argument right. The onus isn't on me to do so. You are the others are the ones making the claims but, and this a critical point here, you are not providing details about your particular configuration. Screenshot are not enough, video's are not enough because the rest of us reading can't see everything going on behind the scenes on your PC's.

So yes, I'm calling you out on your claims and standing my ground because you're having them and many of the rest of us are not. This directly implies that something is amiss on your systems and not ours.

 

[Vayra86]

> Windows 11 24H2 actually outperforms both of them on newer Ryzen CPUs

You don't mention weird frame-time issues (and actually I have yet to find a reviewer covering this kind of stuff) which I also experience, especially in CS2 / Dota 2. Having "more" FPS doesn't mean that much.

No frametime issues here in Dota 2. 144 FPS locked all the time while the rig's practically idling. I could uncap it and enjoy 200+ as well. You know FPS = frametimes? Having more average FPS might not mean everything, but if you're not getting stutters... it really does mean a lot.

Other games are buttery, too. I'm using a 7800X3D. I'm also using a preview build of 11. My system has no Store access, nor an online account, and gets no feature updates.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

I am currently finding it interesting that my computer has not been prompted to update to 24H2. I'm not sure how they're doing the roll-out, but I've seen a 13980HX-4080 laptop get the update, a 5965WX-4500A workstation get the update, but my 13900k-4090 build has not. None of them have "get the latest updates as soon as they're available" checked as I've had way too many issues with their "preview" updates.

 

[phanbuey]

Is that so? Show us all articles about this performance problem from more than one source.

Fixed that for you. The experiences you and others are having is not universal, IE, not EVERYONE is having that experience. Thus..

Ok, you tell me how I'm supposed to replicate a problem YOU are having that I am not. I have no interest in proving my argument right. The onus isn't on me to do so. You are the others are the ones making the claims but, and this a critical point here, you are not providing details about your particular configuration. Screenshot are not enough, video's are not enough because the rest of us reading can't see everything going on behind the scenes on your PC's.

So yes, I'm calling you out on your claims and standing my ground because you're having them and many of the rest of us are not. This directly implies that something is amiss on your systems and not ours.

Just show your testing side by side where you in fact have 0 issues with an RL system, you don't need to replicate my problem, that's widely published and replicated. In fact it's so widely published that it's confirmed by Microsoft itself stopped pushing the update. I would love to see a SOTR bench with your system on 10 vs 11 24H2 with the same or better fps using a raptor lake/alder lake system.

Huge performance drop on Win11 24H2 on 13900K vs Win10/Win11 21H2 | Overclock.net
Tested Windows 11 23H2 & 24H2 vs. Windows 10 on AMD 5900X + RTX 3080 – Here’s What I Found : r/pcmasterrace

Current windows 24H2 issues with Ubisoft games : r/ubisoft <- currently resolving.

 

[Vayra86]

Right... All those enthusiasts with clean installs are wrong, and you, who have not done any testing, is right. Got it.

I've seen a lot of self proclaimed enthusiasts that think they know and own the world and their PC, and neither turns out to be true., as they have already internalized some kind of bad behaviour in dealing with said hardware.

The stories are long and many of all those Windows tweaks, yanking out services, the start menu, and whatnot. 'Clean install' is not quite so clean more often than not, or its so clean essential services have been removed or disabled, causing all sorts of erratic behaviour. The funniest one I ran into so far is the ridiculous bullshit argumentation regarding the Page File and the so-called perceived improvement in performance because now 'nothing is paged'. It is utter, complete, 100% bullshit but because people have convinced themselves RAM is always faster, its faster.

To each their own. But yes, a lot of people together can be wrong. You need but one look at the fantastic interwebs to know this.

 

[phanbuey]

I've seen a lot of self proclaimed enthusiasts that think they know and own the world and their PC, and neither turns out to be true., as they have already internalized some kind of bad behaviour in dealing with said hardware.

The stories are long and many of all those Windows tweaks, yanking out services, the start menu, and whatnot. 'Clean install' is not quite so clean more often than not.

Right but Microsoft wouldn't stop pushing a version of windows unless it has issues. This seems like they've had a rework under the hood to try and improve things, and it's not gone as planned - which is understandable. But to say there are 0 problems in the face of actual evidence, and that most peoples problems are user error, is... bold.

Arrow lake launch is another perfect example.

 

[Vayra86]

Right but Microsoft wouldn't stop pushing a version of windows unless it has issues. This seems like they've had a rework under the hood to try and improve things, and it's not gone as planned - which is understandable. But to say there are 0 problems in the face of actual evidence is... bold.

You won't find me saying there are 0 problems, but I'm also one of the wise seers telling people that they should not keep their Windows up to the latest feature update.

I am saying that I am using 24h2 without 0 problems, and I am specifying under what conditions this is true. And advising others to follow suit in that approach.
Get. The. Preview 24h2. LTSC. IoT. Enterprise. Release. And after that, don't touch a thing and leave it as is until you find an issue.
If your install is borked, roll back to something that verifiably did work. This M.O. is as old as the PC itself.

EDIT: to add to that. There is a good reason to get that preview build even based on its featureset. It lacks Copilot and all that other nonsense. In my personal view, it is the ultimate last possible Windows 11 build you should be getting in the pure sense of the word. I'm not, ever, installing a build with that AI bullshit in it. I'd rather roll back to 10 instead, or ditch Windows altogether.

Basically the 11 preview 26100 build I use, is the last straw for Microsoft in my home. They've reached my limit of what I allow an OS to do and be and I will only so much as even look at Windows 12 if they create a version or there is an option to completely remove Copilot and Recall-ish features. It is a massive security risk, and it doesn't help me. There is an internet browser for this nonsense. The same thing applies to AI enabled PC's with extra special NPUs that do literally nothing you can't already do on the web. I'm not, just simply not, diving into this clusterfuck and refuse to fund a single penny of it.

 

[Chrispy_]

My $600 VR headset is now a paperweight.
Thanks, Microsoft, for saying it would work until 2026 and then pulling the rug out from underneath us all two years early.

Retiring WMR portal was a good idea, because it was a clunky, buggy, useless abomination of poor design - but to also drop all driver and openXR support, remove the feature forcibly rather than let it run unsupported until the cut-off date? That's a low blow, irresponsibly wasteful, and downright lazy. I guess I shouldn't be surprised with Microsoft's failure to execute anything sensible or consumer-friendly in the last half decade and it's my own stupid fault for thinking that perhaps they weren't entirely despicable.

 

[phanbuey]

You won't find me saying there are 0 problems, but I'm also one of the wise seers telling people that they should not keep their Windows up to the latest feature update.

I am saying that I am using 24h2 without 0 problems, and I am specifying under what conditions this is true. And advising others to follow suit in that approach.
Get. The. Preview 24h2. LTSC. IoT. Enterprise. Release. And after that, don't touch a thing and leave it as is until you find an issue.
If your install is borked, roll back to something that verifiably did work. This M.O. is as old as the PC itself.

The real question is - are those problem users using the product 'properly' in its intended scope? The answer, I think, is yes. As a user, you shouldn't have to be hunting specific OS configurations, and you shouldn't have to follow server-admin best practices in OS updates to have a stable, usable and fast system.

W11 24H2 didn't live up to that standard, even by Microsoft's own standards, which is why the update is still blocked for mass release and only allowed on certain hardware.

 

[Vayra86]

The real question is - are those problem users using the product 'properly' in its intended scope? The answer, I think, is yes. As a user, you shouldn't have to be hunting specific OS configurations, and you shouldn't have to follow server-admin best practices in OS updates to have a stable, usable and fast system.

W11 24H2 didn't live up to that standard, even by Microsoft's own standards, which is why the update is still blocked for mass release and only allowed on certain hardware.

Yeah I'll join you in not understanding what the actual F Microsoft is doing lately. But that has been the case very often... the solution was always the same. Don't update your system to the latest feature update. You're just early adopting software then and its always a recipe for issues, however small. As a user, I believe you did always have to hunt specific OS versions and limit the things Microsoft was able to do with your system. The Windows Update issues are frequent, annoying, and tend to be persistent for quite a while, its as old as the service itself. Microsoft keeps changing its approach, too.

On Windows 10 I had maximum delay, a full year, on feature updates and it has worked flawlessly. The 11 build I'm using now has been in the wild for over a half year now, too.

 

[N3utro]

I have 24H2 since release, works like a charm on my gaming PC, all games working smoothly

 

[grvn]

No frametime issues here in Dota 2. 144 FPS locked all the time while the rig's practically idling. I could uncap it and enjoy 200+ as well. You know FPS = frametimes? Having more average FPS might not mean everything, but if you're not getting stutters... it really does mean a lot.

Other games are buttery, too. I'm using a 7800X3D. I'm also using a preview build of 11. My system has no Store access, nor an online account, and gets no feature updates.

Try CS2.

Is that so? Show us all articles about this performance problem from more than one source.

Should I add more?

Observe the 0.1% lows in Windows 11 24h2. The 24h2 update is a joke.

I have 24H2 since release, works like a charm on my gaming PC, all games working smoothly

Good for you, have you ever compared it to Windows 10 22h2, have you ever used OSD to monitor frame-times etc?

 

[dziugas1959]

I was on „Insider: Release Preview“ for a long time, and never had any issues, I play a lot of games, but never had any problems on them. I remember that the only famous game, broken by „Windows“, was „Bully“, during the „Windows 10“ switch. The ironic part for me, was when „Windows 11“ first got released, it was a buggy and a broken mess, it was way more stable for me to go on the most extreme „Insider“ builds, ironic for the fact, that my computer is officially supported, literrally BSOD's galored in 21H2 and not much in 22H2, but 24H2 is what „Windows 11“ should have been, not a skin on top of „Windows 10“, the only reason why people are reporting issues, is because „Windows 11 24H2“ is using truly a new kernel (Germanium).

Consider it like this: „Windows 11“ pre 24H2 using „Windows 10“ code to run it's kernel and „Windows 11“ post 24H2 using true next-gen kernel code („SSE 4.2“ required, native „Wi-Fi 7“) and most importantly little sprinkles of „Rust“ code (not sure how well this will go on, when we consider older hardware and drivers in future updates though).

 

[N3utro]

Good for you, have you ever compared it to Windows 10 22h2, have you ever used OSD to monitor frame-times etc?

Yeah i use nvidia frameview, i have no stutter and frametimes are good

 

[Vayra86]

Try CS2.

Should I add more?

Observe the 0.1% lows in Windows 11 24h2. The 24h2 update is a joke.



Good for you, have you ever compared it to Windows 10 22h2, have you ever used OSD to monitor frame-times etc?

The real question is, have you?

You're telling people that do not have a problem, to start chasing problems. No TY
The solution is simple if you run into this. Roll back. Get something older. You seem adamant to walk away from this topic feeling smug that everyone thinks 24H2 is bad. A very strange way to spend your day.

Here's a life lesson to learn: Youtube is gutter trash and the baseline idea you should have watching anything on it, is that it is entertainment made for ad clicks. Its not there for you. Its there for clicks. These comparison videos exist only for that. They don't offer anything meaningful, they're there to make you click on them and live the outrage with them, automagically removing all nuance and detail from what should be something like, say, a forum topic where people offer simple solutions to these issues people seem to run into.

But that would require...god forbid, actual reading and comprehension.

 

[grvn]

The real question is, have you?

You're telling people that do not have a problem, to start chasing problems. No TY
The solution is simple if you run into this. Roll back. Get something older. You seem adamant to walk away from this topic feeling smug that everyone thinks 24H2 is bad. A very strange way to spend your day.

Here's a life lesson to learn: Youtube is gutter trash and the baseline idea you should have watching anything on it, is that it is entertainment made for ad clicks. Its not there for you. Its there for clicks. These comparison videos exist only for that. They don't offer anything meaningful, they're there to make you click on them and live the outrage with them, automagically removing all nuance and detail from what should be something like, say, a forum topic where people offer simple solutions to these issues people seem to run into.

But that would require...god forbid, actual reading and comprehension.

Of course I did.

VIDEOS

WIndows 11 24h2 is terrible for gamers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just show your testing side by side where you in fact have 0 issues with an RL system

Didn't take screenshots or video's as I never expected to show the results. I would have to redo all of that testing and have neither the time nor the desire to prove the people complaining wrong. I don't care that much. Believe what you want, do what what you want. The burden of proof is not on me.

WIndows 11 24h2 is terrible for gamers.

How are you people missing this? Whatever is going on for you folks, it is not happening for everyone! Seriously, how do you not understand this?

Should I add more?

No and for two reasons:
1. Because it's not needed and..
2. Because more would prove nothing..

But that would require...god forbid, actual reading and comprehension.

Right? Good grief..