How many are using 24h2? Problems still?

[phanbuey]

Didn't take screenshots or video's as I never expected to show the results. I would have to redo all of that testing and have neither the time nor the desire to prove the people complaining wrong. I don't care that much. Believe what you want, do what what you want. The burden of proof is not on me.


How are you people missing this? Whatever is going on for you folks, it is not happening for everyone! Seriously, how do you not understand this?


Right? Good grief..

I mean you can say what you want, i have yet to see a RL/ARL system without performance regression in 24h2. Mine had it, the guy who just benched his 12900K vs 9800x3d had it, another member with a 13900K here had it, there are plenty of posts online showing a huge regression. You can actually see it in reviews (look at 7800x3d vs 13700K at launch vs more recent ones).

So yeah... after several reinstalls and different configurations, I do believe it to be a widespread problem. I have yet to see any proof to the contrary.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So yeah... after several reinstalls and different configurations, I do believe it to be a widespread problem. I have yet to see any proof to the contrary.

That is very much like telling a person that is completely color-blind that the sky is blue and him telling us to prove it.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

One video I saw today, where on 11, there's lower FPS and less watts used, looking similar to my RX 6750 XT undervolting instability at less than 1170 mV, IIRC.

 

[phanbuey]

That is very much like telling a person that is completely color-blind that the sky is blue and him telling us to prove it.

Except not at all - just one person with a 13900k, 13700k, 12700k etc. with a shadow of the tomb raider benchmark run on two clean installs. I've seen 5 of them that all show the same thing... i just need to see one that doesn't.

It's not a huge ask, it's pretty simple.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Except not at all - just one person with a 13900k, 13700k, 12700k etc. with a shadow of the tomb raider benchmark run on two clean installs. I've seen 5 of them that all show the same thing... i just need to see one that doesn't.

It's not a huge ask, it's pretty simple.

So what you're saying is that context is lost on you? Ok, noted.

 

[phanbuey]

So what you saying is that context is lost on you? Ok, noted.

Sure.

 

[AVATARAT]

Except not at all - just one person with a 13900k, 13700k, 12700k etc. with a shadow of the tomb raider benchmark run on two clean installs. I've seen 5 of them that all show the same thing... i just need to see one that doesn't.

It's not a huge ask, it's pretty simple.

SotTR is memory dependent and here is the key to the difference you are looking for.

 

[grvn]

How are you people missing this? Whatever is going on for you folks, it is not happening for everyone! Seriously, how do you not understand this?

Even in this post, I've seen people reporting lower performance on 24h2.
" it is not happening for everyone! " > people don't monitor their performance. They don't even know the issue.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Sure.
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What was that?

people don't monitor their performance. They don't even know the issue.

That's gotta be it. A website forum full of tech geeks magically NOT monitoring their tech performance... Yeah, that's what's happening..
That is easily one of the silliest, thoughtless suggestions I've read this decade.

 

[grvn]

That is easily one of the silliest, thoughtless suggestions I read this decade.

How is it like to defend a product which is not even yours?

 

[lexluthermiester]

How is it like to defend a product which is not even yours?

You're missing the big picture here. I am not defending anything other than object observations. This is not about ego, this is not about brand loyalty as you seem to think. This is about observing factual information and acting on it. Your observations do NOT match the observations made by everyone. So what do you think the problem is here? Hmm?

Do you think I'm being a fanboy for microsoft(an absolutely, hilariously, meritless notion)? Or do you think that along with all the other glitches that are happening with the 24H2 update, there is something causing issues with some installs and not all? Hmm? Wouldn't be the first time THAT'S happen, no not at all..

 

[grvn]

Your observations do NOT match the observations made by everyone. so what do you think the problem is? Hmm?

Only made by you it seems. Same goes for you. A lot of people have issues with 24h2. Period.

 

[phanbuey]

You're missing the big picture here. I am not defending anything other than object observations. This is not about ego, this is not about brand loyalty as you seem to think. This is about observing factual information and acting on it. Your observations do NOT match the observations made by everyone. so what do you think the problem is? Hmm?

Do you think I'm being a fanboy for microsoft(an absolutely, hilariously, meritless notion)? Or do you think that along with all the other glitches that are happening with the 24H2 update, there is something causing issues with some installs and not all? Hmm? Wouldn't be the first time THAT'S happen, no not at all..

We get it lex - the word that he used was too 'absolutist' for you and hurt your sensibilites (not EVERYONE). Not everyone gets intention of the statement he was trying to make.

This is a discussion of W11 24h2 performance - his point is - 24h2 takes a performance hit in games, he has a bunch of proof, you, on the other hand, are sitting over here playing word games. If you have nothing to contradict that then say that and move on - if you have something than bring it. The point of the thread isn't to insult people and hyperfocus on semantics, it's to discuss 24h2 performance -- i have yet to see one post from you with any actual performance numbers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Only made by you it seems.

So what you're saying is, this is about ego, for you.

A lot of people have issues with 24h2. Period.

Seriously? Let's read an echo...

along with all the other glitches that are happening with the 24H2 update, there is something causing issues with some installs

...hmmm.. Yup that's what was said.. tada..

We get it lex - the word that he used was too 'absolutist' for you and hurt your sensibilites (not EVERYONE).

Oh great, more ego.. How wonderful..

This is a discussion of W11 24h2 performance - his point is - 24h2 takes a performance hit in games, he has a bunch of proof

Yeah, but you and Mr Dee above have been trying to say that EVERYONE is having the same issue that you have been having and have been demanding proof that we're not. That's not how it works.

How it works is that someone reports a problem and shows what happening to them. Then everyone else chimes in with their experiences. If it's a problem that can be solved with a user configuration we club together with a fix until it gets an official patch. If it's not a user fixable issue, we all "twiddle" our thumbs and wait for an official fix.

With the performance issues you're having, maybe you're not alone, but you're not in the majority either otherwise literally everyone in the tech sector would be pointing it out and bitching about it. Not everyone is having your problem, not even most.

 

[phanbuey]

Yeah, but you and Mr Dee above have been trying to say that EVERYONE is having the same issue that you have been having and have been demanding proof that we're not.

We're making the assertion, based on observations that were posted in this thread, that performance across the board is lower in games on 24h2. We could be wrong, but this what we have seen and what we're showing - in my case it was specific to alder laker and raptor lake regression.

You're here arguing about the use of the word "EVERYONE" and calling people names. What's the point, exactly? If you havent experienced it great - good for you. You claimed you measured it so we asked for screenshots. You don't have any.

With the performance issues you're having, maybe you're not alone, but you not in the majority either otherwise literally everyone in the tech sector would be pointing it out and bitching about it. Not everyone is having your problem, not even most.

You mean like Intel, one of the largest companies chip companies in the world, that blamed arrow lake lack of performance in large part on 24h2? Or like Microsoft themselves that FROZE THE UPDATE? Or like Ubisoft and GGG dedicating teams of people to make games not freeze on it? I'm sorry but, I disagree. This update has plenty of people in the tech sector ranting about how bad it is.

 

[lexluthermiester]

We're making the assertion, based on observations that were posted in this thread, that performance across the board is lower in games on 24h2.

And that's your mistake. It's not "across the board" or, again everyone would be talking about it. Not everyone is talking about it.

You're here arguing about the use of the word "EVERYONE" and calling people names. Why?

You throw out insults and wonder why I'm reacting this way? Really? Don't try that moral high ground crap, no one cares.

 

[phanbuey]

And that's your mistake. It's not "across the board" or, again everyone would be talking about it. Not everyone is talking about it.

"Not everyone is talking about it" is not proof that something isn't happening.

You've given no actual performance proof to contradict that statement, and instead relied on an ad populum fallacy to disprove it.

 

[grvn]

We get it lex - the word that he used was too 'absolutist' for you and hurt your sensibilites (not EVERYONE). Not everyone gets intention of the statement he was trying to make.

This is a discussion of W11 24h2 performance - his point is - 24h2 takes a performance hit in games, he has a bunch of proof, you, on the other hand, are sitting over here playing word games. If you have nothing to contradict that then say that and move on - if you have something than bring it. The point of the thread isn't to insult people and hyperfocus on semantics, it's to discuss 24h2 performance -- i have yet to see one post from you with any actual performance numbers.

Thanks, English is not my main language but you summed up what I was trying to express somehow.

I literally posted links, even my own experience, of course, not everyone has issues with 24h2, either because they don't monitor stuff or don't actually pay attention OR have nothing to compare it with!

Lex is only arguing semantics as you said but not providing anything useful to the discussion.

You've given no actual performance proof to contradict that statement, and instead relied on an ad populum fallacy to disprove it.

Precisely

And that's your mistake. It's not "across the board" or, again everyone would be talking about it. Not everyone is talking about it.

Who is everyone? Everyone might be also tech reviewers which didn't say nothing about Windows 11 having lower performance on Ryzen CPU's, only after 9xxx was released. SO please.

 

[Onasi]

I literally posted links, even my own experience, of course, not everyone has issues with 24h2, either because they don't monitor stuff or don't actually pay attention OR have nothing to compare it with!

Or, you know, they genuinely just might have no issues at all. I am sitting on an install of 11 that I had since RTM, updated through all of it, no clean install, it isn’t even an LTSC build, just regular Pro now on 24H2. Miraculously, in games I am playing there is 0 difference. At all. People might run into issues or they might not. Everyone has a different HW and SW config and making sweeping statements is silly.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

At least in non-game tasks, 24H2 ironically rejuvenated my Ryzen 7 3700X build in the other room. Didn't do benchmarks, but I didn't remember 11 being that snappy!

Not the same motherboard, though, because the MSI B450 Tomahawk went kaput in 2022.

 

[grvn]

Miraculously, in games I am playing there is 0 difference

Compared with what?

 

[pf100]

After a clean install of 24H2 I went back to 23H2 after a couple of days. Too many issues.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

After a clean install of 24H2 I went back to 23H2 after a couple of days. Too many issues.

What issues? File corruption? That was a major issue with especially 26100.2033 and the update before that. '2033 was the worst final (non-beta or preview) 11 update in history! It resulted in people blocking updating and staying with 26100.1742.

OTOH, 24H2 as of lately, updates better than 23H2 and earlier. I usually have to fix stuff on a clean install with 23H2 and earlier. (My non-gaming testing of 24H2)

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

Still having an issue with 24h2 playing nice with Brother Iprint&Scan, and it is not present in lower versions. It mostly works, but no longer allows workflows that are initiated at the scanner to be created on a client, although existing workflows still function normally. Gives an error about needing scan drivers. They are verifiably installed. Been talking to Brother support about it. I expect resolved soon.

This is why you have guinea pigs in each department. Pretty minor stuff really. These things happen with feature updates.

I freakin love iPrint&Scan, so it isn't going to change my opinion of its utility.

Issue has been resolved as of iPrint&Scan version 13.0.1.2 (released 12/25/2024)

 

[Bobaganoosh]

It's not gaming, but I did do a CB2024 comparison between an older W11 install and one updated to 24H2. It's a Threadripper 5965WX workstation with an RTX A4500. Not a clean install. Posted in the Cinebench 2024 thread, #603.

As I said a couple pages ago, my 13900k/4090 gaming rig has not been offered the 24H2 update yet.

My 13980HX laptop has had the update (not clean install), but I didn't have any pre/post benchmarks to test. Gaming "seems fine", but I don't know the actual numbers.