RTX 5090 ridiculous price!

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No matter the price, sheep will buy these and we can thank them for continuously increasing prices.

Wonder why practically no gamer bought a GTX Titan/Titan Black/Titan X/Xp for ~1000EUR but now it's totally okay to get a 2500EUR+ card every two years. Inflation isn't a valid answer.

It's always comforting to know that there are still sane people alive. Reading how these people rationalize this segment is absolutely wild.

 

[evernessince]

Nice comedy here

Drivers was bad 22-23 years ago and that is a valid argument…

And what is the meaning of real RT?
Does AMD fakes RT?
Jeez…

Don't bother with that guy, he said the exact same thing early and never replied to comments rebutting his points. Bad drivers 20+ years ago is definitely a valid argument but an experience that long ago reflects nothing on the current company and products.

Oh, these will sell to gamers alright. The extreme specs don't necessarily translate to "it's a professional or AI GPU", it's just the next-generation's flagship product. It's not just the AI crowd. The latest Steam Hardware Survey places the RTX 4090 at a higher utilization rate than even the RX 580, which is by far the best selling GPU model of all time (thanks to cryptocurrency miners). List here includes iGPUs and mobile dGPUs:

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As a 4090 owner who only purchased a 4090 for AI, those steam 4090 numbers are almost certainly influenced by the hobbyist AI market. The StableDiffusion reddit is a top 1% reddit in size and I'd be willing to bet a sizable number of those individuals also have steam installed. Factor in the 4090's use for OLLAMA and other AI hobbyist use cases as well and you have a significant number of users, particularly for a top end card.

For what you get.. the price really isn't that bad. Once all the software is laid out and in place, AI in game should be pretty cool. And you get the beef of a 4090 in 2 slots.

The price is high given the lack of improvement this gen and the fact that they are using the same node, which has come down drastically in price since the 4000 series.

2 slots is nice but the drawback of a smaller cooler will likely be a reliance on the fans. Fatter coolers will likely be able to sustain zero RPM fan mode for longer / up to a higher TDP than a 2 slot design. Plus one has to ask the question of if the cables connecting the PCBs on the FE have longevity drawbacks. Carrying a PCIe 5.0 signal over cable alone is a feat, ensuring long term reliability is another. When those cables carry your PCIe and IO data that's a big deal. Can't say I've ever had data lines on a PCB ever go bad but I've had plenty of cables go bad, and that includes some expensive enterprise cables. It would have been vastly preferable IMO to have a hard PCB style bridge instead of cables.

 

[freeagent]

I'm sure it will be fine.

 

[Sound_Card]

As a 4090 owner who only purchased a 4090 for AI, those steam 4090 numbers are almost certainly influenced by the hobbyist AI market. The StableDiffusion reddit is a top 1% reddit in size and I'd be willing to bet a sizable number of those individuals also have steam installed. Factor in the 4090's use for OLLAMA and other AI hobbyist use cases as well and you have a significant number of users, particularly for a top end card.

Is that the new cover? "We are AI hobbyist". Wait ... I think I actually hear Jen chuckling all the way from California. lol.

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

Things I want but cannot afford cost too much...

I should immediately be given a 5090, a Lamborghini LP 670-4 sv, Versailles, a solid gold teddy bear, and an oil-tanker filled with cocaine to serve as my personal yacht.

Or perhaps, i could live within reality (and my means) and deal with it.

 

[freeagent]

Ahoy matey!

Yep, midrange life over here.

 

[Zach_01]

Bad drivers 20+ years ago is definitely a valid argument

IMO it’s not, because… well you answered it already…

but an experience that long ago reflects nothing on the current company and products.

Different times, different place and 90+% of today GPU issues are related to other than drivers causes such as PSU/power, CPU/system and Windows/software errors.

GPU Drivers: same old sour candy that never melts out but many like to suckle and never spit either.
It’s exhausting.

 

[Raffles]

No matter the price, sheep will buy these and we can thank them for continuously increasing prices.

Wonder why practically no gamer bought a GTX Titan/Titan Black/Titan X/Xp for ~1000EUR but now it's totally okay to get a 2500EUR+ card every two years. Inflation isn't a valid answer.

This. I remember thinking it was nuts we suddenly had £1000 GPUs, and you're right, it seemed like barely anyone bought them.

I blame tech YouTubers. They've whipped everyone up into a tech frenzy, and now it's suddenly become normal to spend £2000 on a GPU

That and PC gaming becoming more mainstream I guess.

 

[Klemc]

This prices are so fun, just laugh and nothing more to say, tbh.

IMO it’s not, because… well you answered it already…

Different times, different place and 90+% of today GPU issues are related to other than drivers causes such as PSU/power, CPU/system and Windows/software errors.

GPU Drivers: same old sour candy that never melts out but many like to suckle and never spit either.
It’s exhausting.

Drivers will become better if they drop older hardware support ?.. like next driver !

 

[Zach_01]

Drivers will become better if they drop older hardware support ?.. like next driver !

I didn’t get it…
Meaning?

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Source? I believe you are conflating stopping production with any official price increase. There is no "limited availability", Nvidia said they were and have stopped production.

No I am not. It was mentioned about 8 months ago right here On Techpowerup here that the MSRP would go up to $1,999. Stop production just happened recently. In the summertime you could not get any RTXX 4090 under $2,100 with tax. I am pretty sure that it was leaked in or around the mist of the RTX 4080 super, 4070 super Ti, & 4070 super launch to make them seem like better deals.

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

Ahoy matey!

Yep, midrange life over here.

Ain't it the truth. My PC addiction lived off of boneyards and scrapheaps for so many years. Computers are so powerful and easy now. I really don't understand the fuss.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This. I remember thinking it was nuts we suddenly had £1000 GPUs, and you're right, it seemed like barely anyone bought them.

I blame tech YouTubers. They've whipped everyone up into a tech frenzy, and now it's suddenly become normal to spend £2000 on a GPU

That and PC gaming becoming more mainstream I guess.

I don't blame tech YouTubers. I blame hardware becoming extremely advanced and difficult to manufacture, with ever higher standards of quality to be met.

Look at a 8800 GTX, made of plastic with a blower and a hunk of metal installed. Hell here's mine, the fancy professional model, that's really it.

Compare that to a modern GPU where instead of some plastic you have a die cast steel frame, instead of cheap blower you've got 4 carefully designed fans, there is no lighting, no fancy anything, even the chokes on a modern card are leaps and bounds ahead of the time GPUs were perceived to be a lot cheaper.

I don't think many people are even accounting for these things. Meanwhile it's not only that, software development and engineering costs have also gone through the roof, research and development budget is probably a thousand times that of G80's...

So yeah GPU prices will go up across every segment but especially the flagship tier which is where they will have margins to fund the whole venture.

 

[Onasi]

If you could you would, you know it..

People who can will, and some people who cant will find a way.

Nah, it’s a question of necessity and sanity. I can buy a 4090 even at todays inflated price and will be able to buy a 5090 (though cringing all the way). I did not and will not, though. If I needed it for work - sure, a tool is a tool and will pay for itself. As a toy though? Nah, miss me with that shit. I don’t play AAA slop and wasting more than 500-600 bucks just to play some vidya is insanity to me. I could and would put that money to better use. A vacation in Goa maybe or something. Games and purrdy graphics are just not that important. No shade towards those who WOULD buy one just to play some games, who am I to tell them what to do with their money?

 

[Bomby569]

I don't blame tech YouTubers. I blame hardware becoming extremely advanced and difficult to manufacture, with ever higher standards of quality to be met.

Look at a 8800 GTX, made of plastic with a blower and a hunk of metal installed. Hell here's mine, the fancy professional model, that's really it.

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Compare that to a modern GPU where instead of some plastic you have a die cast steel frame, instead of cheap blower you've got 4 carefully designed fans, there is no lighting, no fancy anything, even the chokes on a modern card are leaps and bounds ahead of the time GPUs were perceived to be a lot cheaper.

I don't think many people are even accounting for these things. Meanwhile it's not only that, software development and engineering costs have also gone through the roof, research and development budget is probably a thousand times that of G80's...

So yeah GPU prices will go up across every segment but especially the flagship tier which is where they will have margins to fund the whole venture.

that's not were the money is going, that's a drop in the bucket, the one getting great margins is Nvidia not the ones building the card or selling the card.
And it would be more costly for Nvidia to do all the R&D and negotiate prices with everyone, back then as a small niche company as opposed to now as one of the largest companies in the world and diluting costs with other segments that are even more profitable.

 

[Dr. Dro]

that's not were the money is going, that's a drop in the bucket, the one getting great margins is Nvidia not the ones building the card or selling the card.
And it would be more costly for Nvidia to do all the R&D and negotiate prices with everyone, back then as a small niche company as opposed to now as one of the largest companies in the world and diluting costs with other segments that are even more profitable.

As far as I know, GPU vendors usually sell the main chip and accompanying memory chips as a kit to AIBs, shouldering the biggest bulk of R&D and validation costs, that's generally why advanced aftermarket models have an even higher cost in general.

Drop by drop, the bucket gets full though. So might be a drop here and a drop there, over time these things can and will add up.

 

[Bomby569]

As far as I know, GPU vendors usually sell the main chip and accompanying memory chips as a kit to AIBs, shouldering the biggest bulk of R&D and validation costs, that's generally why advanced aftermarket models have an even higher cost in general.

Drop by drop, the bucket gets full though. So might be a drop here and a drop there, over time these things can and will add up.

Nvidia is one of the largest companies in the world, 3rd i think now. EVGA dropped gpu's because it wasn't profitable.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Nvidia is one of the largest companies in the world, 3rd i think now. EVGA dropped gpu's because it wasn't profitable.

EVGA had many many internal issues, and was plagued by poor management. It did not fail as a business because of Nvidia.

Other AIBs already filled the vacuum left by EVGA's demise, with ASUS taking the luxury segment previously filled by their Classified and Kingpin cards by storm.

 

[Bomby569]

EVGA had many many internal issues, and was plagued by poor management. It did not fail as a business because of Nvidia.

maybe, but Nvidia has some famous blunders in his past but they can always fail upwards because of their position in this market. Even when they screw pricing it's mostly other people's problem, just like AMD is doing now:

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT "bumpy" launch reportedly linked to price pressure from NVIDIA - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 9070 launch with retailer background PC Games Hardware reports that their moderator “pokerclock,” a well-informed person within retailer circles, has shared a new update on an upcoming Radeon GPU launch. Previously, this source provided insights on the GeForce RTX 50 series launch...

videocardz.com

 

[Frick]

Ain't it the truth. My PC addiction lived off of boneyards and scrapheaps for so many years. Computers are so powerful and easy now. I really don't understand the fuss.

High end GPUs being expensive isn't a big problem as such, but it is annoying that they are getting more expensive and my pay does not keep up. I could see myself paying €1000 for the highest end GPU, but today it's barely enough fof high end.

Nvidia is one of the largest companies in the world, 3rd i think now. EVGA dropped gpu's because it wasn't profitable.

Second, but that is market cap. If you go by revenue they're not in the top 50.

 

[Athlonite]

I don't know what all the pissing n moaning is about it's a Halo card so ofcourse it's going to carry a Halo price tag
When AMD failed to produce a viable competitor to nVidia's halo cards it gave nVidia carte blanche to charge whatever they fricken well wanted for their Halo GPU's.
You could always show nVidia how angry you are at them for their shitty pricing by just not buying their overpriced GPU's. But who am I kidding you're going to buy it no matter what the price is aren't you!

 

[Onasi]

Second, but that is market cap. If you go by revenue they're not in the top 50.

Yup, market cap is a metric that’s important mostly for investors. It’s not a measure of how “big” or “important” a company is necessarily. I mean, unless someone wants to unironically argue that Ferrari is a bigger automaker than VW, GM or Hyundai.

 

[Bomby569]

Second, but that is market cap. If you go by revenue they're not in the top 50.

Revenue depends on a lot of things, volume for example, it's a side discussion, but Walmart (number #1 according to google) isn't in a better position than Tesla, Apple or Nvidia. Maybe you wanted to say profit not sure.
But market cap is absolutely relevant especially in R&D, it's easier to make your own money when you can sell your own stocks for insane pricing and makes any type of debt cheaper.

 

[LittleBro]

Linking my post from other thread. AIB cards cost a serious premium over MSRP.

 

[Bomby569]

Linking my post from other thread. AIB cards cost a serious premium over MSRP.

because nvidia made available only 5 of each so they can clear 4000 and 3000 inventory that is still for sale new in stores. Supply and demand does the rest, it's not the AIB's fault i doubt it's their pricing, most likely the retailers are the ones pocketing the difference from normal pricing (i know for a fact this is what happened during the last gpu "troubles"). But it's not the retailers fault either, It's mostly Nvidia's fault.