Kingpin Skipping GeForce RTX 50 Generation, Cites "Impossible" Logistics

[TechLurker]

He wants to maybe do another colour? Go on then release a badass UDNA card

AMD better make it badass in the first place though. Many maybes

If anything, it would also greatly help AMD, as they'd finally prioritize faster firmware updates and tweaks based on his input as he pushes their cards to the limit. And if AMD is just as accommodating with him as they were with their own in-house teams that pushed their Ryzens to the limit and experiment (per the GN AMD tour), could maybe result in better performance in non-Kingpin cards too.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

When was the last time he was actually relevant?

Thats the guy that worked for EVGA and made some of the best cards available. So he moved over to PNY.

He is seriously one of the biggest names in overclocking, specifically extreme cooling. I have one of the KingPin Venom LN2 Pots and had a Rex as well.

I'm sure he's made a decent wealth, I think some time off, come back home to the US for Family is a great idea. Its clearly stated it's just about the timing of personal/ business mix.

 

[mkppo]

If anything, it would also greatly help AMD, as they'd finally prioritize faster firmware updates and tweaks based on his input as he pushes their cards to the limit. And if AMD is just as accommodating with him as they were with their own in-house teams that pushed their Ryzens to the limit and experiment (per the GN AMD tour), could maybe result in better performance in non-Kingpin cards too.

Yeah I feel they sometimes do push the silicon over the years (x1950, HD 4890, 6950XT) and all of them were arguably bangers. If there's one thing Kingpin knows it's to push the silicon way beyond the edge and I do hope he joins them or at least does a collab of sorts.

I miss those AMD cards, I think the last one I can think of that was way overkill and binned like hell was the HD 7970 Matrix Platinum. The 7970 was an immense overclocker anyway and the matrix was an absolute blast. It was also the first ARGB component I ever used and it actually had a use for it (would change static colours depending on load) unlike the useless rainbows everywhere nowadays. Oh and it absolutely put the GTX 680 to shame.

Having systems with GPU's from both camps for decades, I never understood why the 7970 didn't sell a lot more. It was architecturally so much better than it's nvidia equivalents, aged much better and was even released months earlier. But reviewers at the time praised the 680 to the moon and back mainly because it consumed a tiny bit less power, was $50 cheaper and was a miniscule amount faster at launch which turned out to be much slower months down the line and the gap only increased. Most reviewers didn't bother to mention that when both were overclocked, the 7970 was quite a bit faster and some reviewers didn't even bother to mention it was 2GB vs 7970's 3GB which really did matter not too long after. As a whole, most reviewers failed hard as a whole during that time and the 680 aged like a POS. I know because i saw it first hand, and I also know the matrix I had put any gtx680/770 to shame at any point in their career.

I'm not sure why I went on a tangent, I think mentioning those cards sort of took me back in the days and that particular time was a bit of a head scratcher. But yeah Kingpin would probably do well to jump ship if the other ship is any good. I also bet he has some beef with nvidia after the whole EVGA fiasco, not surprised he's making these comments.

When was the last time he was actually relevant?

He made some of the best XOC cards to have ever been released and it wasn't too long ago..

 

[N/A]

That or he just paid somebody to solder extra capacitors and power phases and then stamped his name on it because he was very good at pouring the liquid nitrogen into pots back in the day. And the pot is like a mug is something. Plenty of people selling t-shirts and mugs and stuff.

 

[_roman_]

Before that Gamers Nexus Video on Youtube that guy was totally unknown to myself. He explained a bit what he did.

Companies forget those Guys are totally nobodies to the ordinary guy who works. the "splave" tag could be also "tuf" or "gaming" or "pro" or whatever for example.

I watched a bit Gamers Nexus where they showed that LN2 stuff and a bit "entry" overclocking. Okay it's possible but it's not really relevant for daily usage.

 

[NoneRain]

AMD sleeps on Kingpin, man... they could partner with him and give him the resources needed. Small investment to have a known extreme overclocker working on and promoting their cards.
Well.. AMD is always sleeping, so...

 

[lexluthermiester]

The price is going to increase and nvidia confirmed that, maybe you're confusing 5090 with the 5080 which isn't getting one. So $1600 > $2000 would be a 25% increase for what i'm guessing will be 30% more performance. Meh at best, but it'll be the fastest GPU and nvidia can charge whatever so it is what it is.

Meanwhile the 4090 increased by $100 over 3090 and had ~55% more performance.

Someone didn't pay attention when leather jacket himself made the statement about pricing..

Read my messages once again.

You first.

 

[mkppo]

Someone didn't pay attention when leather jacket himself made the statement about pricing..

I didn't see his presentation, what did he say? Did he say prices aren't increasing when there's actually a 25% hike? Or did he say something along the lines of 'it's 25% more expensive but 400% faster so it's cheaper'

But his statement does nothing to the fact that price is increasing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I didn't see his presentation, what did he say?

Go find it. It's not my responsibility to keep you informed.

 

[x4it3n]

The 5090 seems to have great overclock potential but I have yet to see official support for more than 675 watts of power (75 from pci)

It definitely has lower clocks than other counterparts so with more Watts and Voltage we could easily get 10-15% more performance. But the problem is that if the card really pulls 575W and the max TPD is 650W due to 1x 16-pin only, there won't be much to gain to get! And so far I haven't seen any AIB card with 2x 16-pin so yeah :/

You first.

You say that I did but you haven't even given any proof...lol. I never said "the 4090 is 2x the 3090 Ti", what I said was that "it can be 2x at 4K with RT/PT vs 3090 (non Ti)" and I know it is true because I had a 3090 and upgraded to a 4090 ! You're welcome

 

[trsttte]

That or he just paid somebody to solder extra capacitors and power phases and then stamped his name on it because he was very good at pouring the liquid nitrogen into pots back in the day. And the pot is like a mug is something. Plenty of people selling t-shirts and mugs and stuff.

He's good at tweaking the settings and all that, there's certainly an art to it otherwise anyone would do it. Other than that he probably just does project management stuff and throws some ideas, I doubt he's doing any of the pcb cad.

Go find it. It's not my responsibility to keep you informed.

That's not a constructive way to participate on an internet forum but whatever

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's not a constructive way to participate on an internet forum but whatever

Are you kidding? Seriously...

 

[x4it3n]

That's not a constructive way to participate on an internet forum but whatever

@lexluthermiester still hasn't been able to show me where I said the 4090 was 2x faster than the 3090 Ti but he keeps believing that I did lol.

Are you kidding? Seriously...

Nah you're talking nonsense dude. Go back playing GTA V and leave the adults alone

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester still hasn't been able to show me where I said the 4090 was 2x faster than the 3090 Ti but he keeps believing that I did lol.

Don't need to. The earlier posted comments are there for everyone to see, including yourself.

leave the adults alone

Irony. Go be a troll elsewhere.

 

[x4it3n]

Don't need to. The earlier posted comments are there for everyone to see, including yourself.

Irony. Go be a troll elsewhere.

You're the only one who says that I said that so... keep lying to yourself

I'm probably older than you but sure.

 

[mkppo]

Go find it. It's not my responsibility to keep you informed.

I don't get the attitude. Of course it isn't your responsibility to inform me, but it is your responsibility to quote what he said because you stated that price isn't going to increase when it officially is.

So if you're backing your statement with a quote of his, i don't understand what the issue is for you to state it.

Strange.

 

[Rightness_1]

It's sad, but we all know the 5090 will never be available for "just" $2000, more like a minimum of $2500 with little to no availability for 2 years, due to Chinese demand (yes, they do get them despite the bs the tech media tries to tell us) and A.I. startups. Who would really want to pay over $4000 for the best 5090 available? A hundred people, maybe a thousand or two? That would never pay off before nv released another unobtainium refresh.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I don't get the attitude. Of course it isn't your responsibility to inform me, but it is your responsibility to quote what he said because you stated that price isn't going to increase when it officially is.

So if you're backing your statement with a quote of his, i don't understand what the issue is for you to state it.

Strange.

It's simple to understand:
1. When a person gives someone attitude and guff, it can't be a surprise when they send it right back in kind.
2. One should be willing and able to go fact check oneself, by oneself.
3. When someone lies and claims they didn't say something that they are clearly quoted saying and then tries to blame-shift, there's clearly a problem.

You're the only one who says that

Except that you are quoted saying it.

keep lying to yourself

Oh, great more irony.. Pot meet kettle.

 

[mkppo]

It's simple to understand:
1. When a person gives someone attitude and guff, it can't be a surprise when they send it right back in kind.
2. One should be willing and able to go fact check oneself, by oneself.
3. When someone lies and claims they didn't say something that they are clearly quoted saying and then tries to blame-shift, there's clearly a problem.

1. Erm..when did I show any attitude whatsoever? I just re-read what I typed earlier and sure enough I can't find anything other than me saying 'but no prices are increasing are you confusing with 5080?'
2. It's entirely normal when someone asks 'oh where did you hear that, what was said because official slides say otherwise'. And it is up to the person claiming whatever it is it to back up his statement. Pretty normal I suppose.
3. What did I even lie about and what's this blame-shift and bla bla? Not sure what you're on about because I did none of that.

Seriously all I said is prices are increasing so can you clarify what you meant. You said it's something Jensen said and I asked what he said, That's literally all that happened in this exchange of ours.

edit: Just thinking this over my head because your responses are super confusing. This scenario is something like this.

My claim: "New AMD X3D CPU's aren't getting a price hike"

Someone points out: "the AMD slides say otherwise what do you even mean?"

Now the proper response would be "see x video, Lisa su states at 24:00 that prices will stay the same" instead of "Go find it, it's not my responsibility". Well, it is. Even if it's not my 'responsibility', it's common courtesy to back up my original statement with what i based it on.

 

[lexluthermiester]

1. Erm..when did I show any attitude whatsoever?

Don't jump into a conversation where one person is very clearly antagonizing another and you quote the person being antagonized. Especially when...

2. It's entirely normal when someone asks 'oh where did you hear that, what was said because official slides say otherwise'.

...the info in question is easily found on your own.

3. What did I even lie about and what's this blame-shift and bla bla?

You didn't, I was referring to x4it3n, thus the vocabulary used in the stated points.


Getting back on topic;
After all the reviews about the RTX5090, it's understandable why Kingpin passed on this gen of cards.
With the power profiles the way they are, there is very little headroom for doing OCing..

 

[mkppo]

It's not my responsibility to figure out if somoene is being antagonized by seeing the message exchanges between them. I saw a statement and pointed out what I thought was incorrect in that statement. And here we are after all these messages in the same place.

At this point I don't even want to know what you meant when you said prices aren't increasing as confirmed by nvidia or whatever. Let's just say we know the prices, and some models are decreasing while others are increasing. And no, the info in question isn't actually easily found because as you mentioned, it's buried Jensen's statement so one has to literally hear the whole thing till he says it.

What a strange exchange of messages with no outcome when it was supposed to be a simple question/answer.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Jeez man, at this point I don't even want to know what you meant when you said prices aren't increasing as confirmed by nvidia or whatever.

Jensen publicly stated the 5070 was going to be $550. Considering that the 4070 was released at $600 is STILL $550, how is that an increase?

What a strange exchange of messages with no outcome when it was supposed to be a simple question/answer.

One that you could have answered for yourself..

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 and RTX 5070 Ti Final Specifications Seemingly Confirmed

Thanks to kopite7kimi, we are able to finalize the leaked specifications of NVIDIA's upcoming GeForce RTX 5070 and RTX 5070 Ti graphics cards. Starting off with RTX 5070 Ti, it will feature 8,960 CUDA cores and come equipped with 16 GB GDDR7 memory on a 256-bit memory bus, offering 896 GB/s...

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Specs

NVIDIA GB205, 2510 MHz, 6144 Cores, 192 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR7, 2209 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

So, do we still need to be hand-held or can we look things up for ourselves?

 

[mkppo]

Jensen publicly stated the 5070 was going to be $550. Considering that the 4070 was released at $600 is STILL $550, how is that an increase?

One that you could have answered for yourself..

So, do we still need to hand-held or can we look things up for ourselves?

Let me get this right. The discussion was revolving around 4090 and 5090 someone mentioned "oh but there is an increase in price" when referring to the 5090 to which you replied "nvidia confirmed there is no price increase".

So I politely corrected you, saying "no the 5090 is getting a price hike, did you mean the 5080?"

The simple answer would have been "i actually meant the 5070, the 5090 as you point out is getting a 25% hike" which is information we all know at this point and the discussion would've been over at the time. But instead you brought some attitude, leather jacket man and his statement and at the end of it all you paste a few links of the 5070.

Yes I know the 5070 gets a slight drop, 5080 is flat and 5090 is 25% hike. Don't need to hear jacket man rambling to know that information.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Let me get this right. The discussion was revolving around 4090 and 5090 someone mentioned "oh but there is an increase in price" when referring to the 5090 to which you replied "nvidia confirmed there is no price increase".

So I politely corrected you, saying "no the 5090 is getting a price hike, did you mean the 5080?"

The simple answer would have been "i actually meant the 5070, the 5090 as you point out is getting a 25% hike" which is information we all know at this point and the discussion would've been over at the time. But instead you brought some attitude, leather jacket man and his statement and at the end of it all you paste a few links of the 5070.

Yes I know the 5070 gets a slight drop, 5080 is flat and 5090 is 25% hike. Don't need to hear jacket man rambling to know that information.

There's pedantic, and then there's this. Rather than respond with a lengthy, rather pithy statement, I'm just going to ask: Where do you think you went wrong in this conversation? Hmm?

Moving on..

 

[_roman_]

I'm probably older than you but sure.

Lol playing the AGE card. I'm older than joo.

Serious - even with a certain age sometimes some people are fools.

Hint: I sometimes do not reply when I read a comment which I did not like. Sometimes the smarter choice.

I read that stuff again a few hours ago. I do agree with lexluthermiester (not sure if he mistyped his forum name. meister is a german word(translates to master of his profession).)