AMD Denies Radeon RX 9070 XT $899 USD Starting Price Point Rumors

[Bomby569]

They will cost 30% more for 15% performance increase Get over it. It doesn't matter what card they have used previously "that's nvidia level of brains"

that logic only makes sense if you upgrade every gen, something that you shouldn't do in the 1st place, makes no sense

if you do the math, it's a logical conditional that doesn't make any sense

 

[JustBenching]

They will cost 30% more for 15% performance increase Get over it. It doesn't matter what card they have used previously "that's nvidia level of brains"

So if I upgrade from my 3060ti it's a "15% performance increase"? What are you talking about man?

 

[Krit]

So if I upgrade from my 3060ti it's a "15% performance increase"? What are you talking about man?

You know p/p is tremendously bad! At the level of current gen or worse! At the start there most likely will be situations where people will buy overpriced RTX 5080 gpus.

 

[JustBenching]

You know p/p is tremendously bad! At the start there most likely will be situations where people will buy overpriced RTX 5080 gpus.

There are people that will buy overpriced anything. Nvidia GPUs, amd GPUS, amd CPUs, intel cpus, you name it. So what? Not a lot of people will upgrade from a 4080 to a 5080 is what im saying.

 

[Krit]

Not a lot of people will upgrade from a 4080 to a 5080 is what im saying.

I agree but you have a very narrow view of life.

This price 899$ makes no sense at all it's a hype before launch or RX 9070 XT should be at least on par with RTX 4080 Super which i had hard time to believe.

 

[k0vasz]

Yeah, and all that in the very face of a development they DID carry forward themselves and made them insta- market leader on x86 CPUs, or at least, innovation leadership is theirs and the market share is slowly following. We could say it was RDNA3 that was supposed to be their Zen moment on GPU... but why then does it compare so badly

I don't think RDNA3 was ever supposed to be a "Zen moment", but hopefully the UDNA will be: it will be a new arch developed for quite some time now, and nvidia is slacking with their current gen, so they might have a chance to catch-up. next year (or whenever UDNA cards are launching) should bring really exciting times. but AMD should really get their shit together

 

[3valatzy]

What are 4060 prices like though?

Better, because they continue to lose value.

 

[Hecate91]

zen had those memory issues in the begging, if they just put their heads in the sand and let the months, years pass it would have end up the same. They worked hard to fix everything
and they sold the cpus cheap in comparison to intel, not intel -50usd, they never waited for intel prices
shit works almost flawless

lots of differences there

There are a lot of differences, Intel cpu's sucked on the 11th gen, and after 12th gen they were too hot and power hungry, the whole degradation issue with 13th gen, intel also changes sockets way too often. In the x86 CPU market, no one is locking down their CPU features to a specific brand, hardware dependent features only available on one brand is hurting gaming and we can see that since Nvidia isn't even trying with the 50 series, they're selling fake frames as a performance improvement over last gen.

No, people don't lose their minds when it comes to nvidia products and neither it's a 15% improvement. You are wrongfully assuming that people with a 4080 are going to upgrade to a 5080 which is highly unlikely.

They do though, people got so overhyped on the claims of the 5070 being faster than a 4090, people lose their sh*t so much at anything new from nvidia.

Better, because they continue to lose value.

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Well the 4060 was overpriced from launch in the EU, 450 euro is ridiculously high for an 8GB card.

 

[AusWolf]

the problem is that unlike intel or nvidia, amd's pricing strategy is doing whatever the other guy is doing.
And Intel works on solving issues much faster than AMD, like years, decades faster.

How is Intel not charging what the other guy is charging? The B580 is a 7600/4060 with more VRAM for 7600/4060 price. Why it is celebrated is beyond me.

again with this, if the retail have the cards they know the price. Use your brain

But they're not allowed to disclose it before launch day.

I knew it lol.

Performs like Nvidia, charge like Nvidia.

Like everyone must want to spend 1000USD on a GPU lol..

If Nvidia charges like Nvidia, it's fine, but if AMD charges like Nvidia, it's wrong?

I'm not saying I want to spend a grand on a GPU (I definitely don't), but I don't understand the logic here.

 

[JustBenching]

They do though, people got so overhyped on the claims of the 5070 being faster than a 4090, people lose their sh*t so much at anything new from nvidia.

Yes of course, I can see every single thread reeking of positivity towards nvidia. Everyone is crazy happy with what they delivered. Absolutely.

How is Intel not charging what the other guy is charging? The B580 is a 7600/4060 with more VRAM for 7600/4060 price. Why it is celebrated is beyond me.

B580 is faster than both of them in both raster and rt (a lot faster than the 7600). Also with more ram. It also scales way harder in higher resolutions. It's celebrated cause it's by far the best card at its price point.

 

[Sound_Card]

I don't think RDNA3 was ever supposed to be a "Zen moment", but hopefully the UDNA will be: it will be a new arch developed for quite some time now, and nvidia is slacking with their current gen, so they might have a chance to catch-up. next year (or whenever UDNA cards are launching) should bring really exciting times. but AMD should really get their shit together

For all intents and purposes, AMD needs UDNA to be a 'Zen' moment.

 

[olymind1]

So Nvidia thinks we all have 10.000$ battlestations pc's at home and AMD thinks midrange gpus are at 700-900$.

Both are delusional, Su probably got hers at family dinner / cartel meeting.

 

[AusWolf]

B580 is faster than both of them in both raster and rt (a lot faster than the 7600). Also with more ram. It also scales way harder in higher resolutions. It's celebrated cause it's by far the best card at its price point.

Is 5% a lot?

I'm not gonna spam the thread with the RT data, it's very similar to the 4060, only the 7600 lags behind.

 

[Bomby569]

How is Intel not charging what the other guy is charging? The B580 is a 7600/4060 with more VRAM for 7600/4060 price. Why it is celebrated is beyond me.

b580 can be found for 250usd, sure it's difficult because of supply problems as a new gpu, 4060 isn't found for that price and 7600 for that price has 8gb

 

[freeagent]

If Nvidia charges like Nvidia, it's fine, but if AMD charges like Nvidia, it's wrong?

Yes, because you can do more with an Nvidia GPU then you can with an AMD GPU.

Not talking about games here. If all you want to do is play games, I am sure AMD can do that just fine.

 

[Visible Noise]

That's not just the pricing strategy, they are copying nvidia 1:1 on everything. RT upscaling framegen antilag and on and on it goes.

Which is fine. The problem is they deliver those features five years after Nvidia, but charge their customers current day price, rather than the price when Nvidia delivered those features.

For example, AI upscaling is a 2020 product feature, therefore the product should have a 2020 price attached to it, not a 2025 price.

 

[Hecate91]

That's not just the pricing strategy, they are copying nvidia 1:1 on everything. RT upscaling framegen antilag and on and on it goes.

When amd adds features its copying, when they don't add features people still complain, amd just can't win at all lol.

Intel did is thing. That is no excuse. AMD is just shit at this.

What is shit is their marketing, reviewers will still find something to bash AMD on even if the product is good. Intel gets praise simply on price, but all they delivered is 7600 or 4060 performance with a 5-10% performance uplift. I'm all for more competition from Intel, but they could've provided better performance and have cards in stock.

No, nobody forces amd to charge what nvidia does. They are choosing to do it themselves cause they are greedy - one of the greediest companies (maybe apple has them beat). I didn't say AMD has to sell cheaper, im saying they are not forced. That was your claim.

People expect nvidia to lower their prices so they can get amd for cheap. Well, you got your wishes, nvidia dropped a bomb at CES and now you get to enjoy much cheaper amd gpus, be glad and enjoy your XT at half the price.

Sure, AMD is one of the most greedy companies, their profit margin is 40%, maybe 50% at the most, while nvidia has 70% profit margins. AMD is essentially forced to sell cheaper when everyone including reviewers only ever call out AMD for pricing.
And it's quite the opposite, people expect amd to lower prices so they can buy nvidia for cheap. I also wouldn't consider the 50 series a "bomb drop" its a RTX 40 series super duper at best.
The XT selling at half the price wouldn't necessarily be a good thing either if AMD and the AIB's are taking a loss on every card sold.

 

[AusWolf]

b580 can be found for 250usd, sure it's difficult because of supply problems as a new gpu, 4060 isn't found for that price and 7600 for that price has 8gb

Strange, the situation is different here in the UK. The B580 is £300 if you even manage to get one. The 7600 is on offer for 240, but it normally goes for 250-260. The 4060 is also 260.

Yes, because you can do more with an Nvidia GPU then you can with an AMD GPU.

Not talking about games here. If all you want to do is play games, I am sure AMD can do that just fine.

If you think CUDA is worth paying more for, fair enough. I can't say I completely agree, but I respect your opinion.

 

[freeagent]

I can't say I completely agree,

Its all good my man, I donate my power and GPU to F@H, though lately I haven't been doing much. This card has a solid year of folding on it

 

[Hecate91]

Which is fine. The problem is they deliver those features five years after Nvidia, but charge their customers current day price, rather than the price when Nvidia delivered those features.

For example, AI upscaling is a 2020 product feature, therefore the product should have a 2020 price attached to it, not a 2025 price.

So if AI upscaling is a 2020 feature then why is everyone hyping up AI upscaling with the RTX 50 series? The double standards from nvidia users are amazing.
It takes time to develop features with a R&D the fraction of team green, IMO everyone should be glad AMD can even provide the features at all, but no people want to be locked into a proprietary software ecosystem and every time AMD provides a hardware agnostic feature it gets bashed on "not being feature X".

 

[AusWolf]

Its all good my man, I donate my power and GPU to F@H, though lately I haven't been doing much. This card has a solid year of folding on it

I used to do the same with AMD on WCG, but there seems to be no GPU work there lately. Even my Nvidia cards get nothing.

 

[freeagent]

I used to do the same with AMD on WCG, but there seems to be no GPU work there lately. Even my Nvidia cards get nothing.

WCG only gets my 5900X, sometimes it will kick something in for my GPU and it just destroys my 5900X lol.. ahh well.

 

[AusWolf]

WCG only gets my 5900X, sometimes it will kick something in for my GPU and it just destroys my 5900X lol.. ahh well.

That's cool. My point is that only Nvidia having any sort of GPU compute capability is a myth.

 

[Visible Noise]

So if AI upscaling is a 2020 feature then why is everyone hyping up AI upscaling with the RTX 50 series?

The new upscaler that isn’t tied to the 50 series you mean? Because it’s better upscaling. Nvidia is making improvements for their existing customers.

Do you think AMD’s yet to be released upscaler will be as good as Nvidia’s current upscaler? You know, the one AMD makes you buy a new card to run because they lied to their customers about RDNA’s AI capabilities. So go ahead and pay 2025 prices for a feature Nvidia customers have had for five years.

You should ask them how much of a refund you’ll be getting. I got $153 when they lied about Bulldozer having eight cpu cores.

 

[tussinman]

Just when you think it couldn't get more interesting, it does. I'm starting to think the Radeon group product group just needs to be completely cleaned of house and rebuilt from the ground up, maybe pinch people from the Ryzen group?

It is very odd. Rdna 1 and 2 had basically all the stocks sold due to covid/mining boom, ryzen has been a huge success, and there have been almost a quarter of a billion consoles sold in the last 10 years with AMD GPU technology

Their stock has gone up by 50x the last 10 years but they're still acting like they're this underfunded always confused company