Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[Vayra86]

Ok, riddle me this I guesss... if the smallpox vaccine did not work, what did?

Depends. Blue or Red pill?

Who says we are going on salt water? Let's stay on the 5 great lakes!!! yeeeehaaa!!!



China has mRNA vaccines in the works. They are just making sure there are no long term side effects since it is a new technology (well not new technology, but new in the way it is currently being used). So when scientists say, in all of vaccine history, no vaccine has ever had side effects show up 2-6 months after initial dose given. This is true for old tech, but this is new... and a new way of using that new... so you can't compare apples and oranges.

Again, disclaimer, no I am not anti-vax, I got my Pfizer jab. Just saying, I think I understand China's logic.

A different interpretation, China's logic is unrelated to its vaccine quality, but rather to its government and culture. This is what they know: hard repression achieves success. Hard lockdown efforts worked. But this is a globalized world and Chinas economy relies on it fully. Like in every other country, they are going to have to balance that out or the country is unattractive to deal with.

 

[yotano211]

Who says we are going on salt water? Let's stay on the 5 great lakes!!! yeeeehaaa!!!



China has mRNA vaccines in the works. They are just making sure there are no long term side effects since it is a new technology (well not new technology, but new in the way it is currently being used). So when scientists say, in all of vaccine history, no vaccine has ever had side effects show up 2-6 months after initial dose given. This is true for old tech, but this is new... and a new way of using that new... so you can't compare apples and oranges.

Again, disclaimer, no I am not anti-vax, I got my Pfizer jab. Just saying, I think I understand China's logic.

The great lakes are too cold for me. You'll find me further south.

Hi,
That's what I've run across these dual shots deteriorate after 6 months down to 40% effective
So yeah another every 6 months is where things are going seeing not many stats have stated when these delta cases on vaccinated people got their shots

They've even stated people that got the J&J single shot can get the other vaccines too heck it was only 60% effective out the gate on it's single jab so it dropping to less than 40% after six months is very likely.

I got the J&J single shot. That thing knocked me out for 3 days. Everything was hurting even my rear end. For almost a full day I couldn't sit straight because my left a$$ muscle ached.

 

[moproblems99]

this guy is like 1776 hardcore and I love it. LOL

This was my path, except for the whole squatting thing. I was only about $10k from being able to purchase the land. Then all I needed to do was save up the cash to figure out solar etc. Property had two springs and about 20 acres.

Covid put a damper on that with some of my key investments struggling. Retirement just moves to 45-48 range instead of 40.

 

[the54thvoid]

LQ'd a lot of posts.

Don't be offended. If it's LQ'd it's a better lounge fit (very general Covid discussion). I've LQ'd posts about personal vaccine experiences (others I've left). Moderating this thread is like filtering flour from bicarbonate. I'll not get everything so don't gripe.

Stats, Science, Data, and tracking. Please.

 

[dragontamer5788]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/vaccinated-counties-delta-hotspots/

WashPo created 3 graphics. Hotspots in 54%+ vaccinated areas. Hotspots in 40-54% vaccinated areas, and hotspots in 40% or less vaccinated areas.

The virus can spread to higher vaccinated areas. And yet, when we look at the numbers, we see that...

All COVID patients in LA County-run hospitals are unvaccinated, official says

As the Delta variant continues its rapid spread in Los Angeles County, Dr. Christina Ghaly says unvaccinated people now account for all COVID-19 hospitalizations at county-run hospitals.

abc7.com

LA may have a huge amount of COVID19 cases coming in, but virtually every hospitalization is an unvaccinated individual. The 46%ish side of the population who refused to get vaccinated. So even in our "highly vaccinated" areas, we are seeing that the unvaccinated remain at fault for spreading this disease.

We can see that low-vaccination rates highly correlate to being a COVID19 "Hot-spot" as well.

 

[the54thvoid]

I'd think it's fairer to say 'declined' vaccination, than 'refused'. Remember, not everyone can be vaccinated for health reasons. Saying someone 'refuses' is inferring they are a problem which isn't necessarily the case. For example, someone might refuse vaccination but maintain social distancing. Likewise, suggesting people are at fault isn't helpful to a debate that is already highly emotive. I don't say this as a moderator - I say it as an observer. Some people are idiots and refuse vaccines on moronic grounds (micro-chips in the needle type nonsense) but others are wary of the vaccine for other reasons (phobia of needles, phobia of medical process) and IMO, it's not fair to label them as 'bad' agents.

Softening the rhetoric goes a long way to building bridges.

And to be clear, I say this as a member, NOT a mod.

In the UK, vaccinated people are presenting in hospital so it's erroneous to use the California hospitalisation stats as a global measure of vaccine efficacy. (This last sentence is based on UK stats).

 

[HTC]

I'd think it's fairer to say 'declined' vaccination, than 'refused'. Remember, not everyone can be vaccinated for health reasons. Saying someone 'refuses' is inferring they are a problem which isn't necessarily the case. For example, someone might refuse vaccination but maintain social distancing. Likewise, suggesting people are at fault isn't helpful to a debate that is already highly emotive. I don't say this as a moderator - I say it as an observer. Some people are idiots and refuse vaccines on moronic grounds (micro-chips in the needle type nonsense) but others are wary of the vaccine for other reasons (phobia of needles, phobia of medical process) and IMO, it's not fair to label them as 'bad' agents.

Softening the rhetoric goes a long way to building bridges.

And to be clear, I say this as a member, NOT a mod.

In the UK, vaccinated people are presenting in hospital so it's erroneous to use the California hospitalisation stats as a global measure of vaccine efficacy. (This last sentence is based on UK stats).

Agreed.

For example, my brother's girlfriend has a severe needle phobia and it was quite the ordeal to get her vaccinated, or so she and my brother described it.

My sister knows a married couple of 65+ year olds with other medical issues and they refused to get vaccinated because they are scared of the vaccines: she tried to convince them but failed.

 

[moproblems99]

phobia of needles,

Oooooo, I had to get an injection in my back for a disc issue. Stood up to leave and the nurse asked me where I was going. She said I was white as a sheet. Next thing I know it all started getting dark. Took several years to get over that, and no idea why I all of a sudden had a hurrendous phobia of needles. Much, much better now.

 

[Space Lynx]

Oooooo, I had to get an injection in my back for a disc issue. Stood up to leave and the nurse asked me where I was going. She said I was white as a sheet. Next thing I know it all started getting dark. Took several years to get over that, and no idea why I all of a sudden had a hurrendous phobia of needles. Much, much better now.

A nurse drew me blood about ten years ago or so, she couldn't find the vein the needle was in me for like 15 seconds or so as she searched, I passed out as well, first time in my life I passed out, I thought I was dying when my vision started going white so I grabbed her hand gently as I was yelling cause I didn't want to die feeling alone. LOL

in other news, I wonder if the doctors and scientists will still keep their rhetoric up if this study results in anything definitive. "vaccines always show their side effects within a few months, that's how we know this vaccine is safe" they have said that over and over and over, and I have said over and and over you can't compare apples to oranges... mrna used in this way is new tech anyway you cut it.

EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA COVID-19 shots

Three new conditions reported by a small number of people after vaccination with COVID-19 shots from Pfizer (PFE.N) and Moderna (MRNA.O) are being studied to assess if they may be possible side-effects, Europe's drugs regulator said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Xzibit]

Incase people haven't seen this. IMH (Israel Ministry of Health) on VE on Delta and its effectiveness over time.

 

[the54thvoid]

Incase people haven't seen this. IMD on VE on Delta and its effectiveness over time.

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Can you quote source please? My Hebrew isn't very good.

 

[Space Lynx]

Florida governor deploying rapid-response team to fight Covid-19 surge | CNN

As the Delta variant drives a surge of Covid-19 cases in Florida, a rapid-response unit will be deployed to administer monoclonal antibody treatments to residents infected with the virus, Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday.

www.cnn.com

Hey look everyone, remember those states where majority decided not to get vaccinated? Now they get our tax payer funded hugely expensive monoclonal antibodies in mass for free! Yay! Isn't the state of union strong and healthy everyone?? Let's clap together in unison now, 1, 2, 3, time to go buy ice cream!

 

[moproblems99]

Can you quote source please? My Hebrew isn't very good.

It was from the Book of Ezekiel 3:24.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Florida at -5% growth (!!!). This is a weekly-average, which suggests that Florida's numbers have peaked. (Knock on wood.)

US Average is +22%, which is a inflected-down from my last posting.

 

[dragontamer5788]

WashPo is suggesting in a new article that more children are getting sick of COVID19. Perhaps the Delta variant is better at infecting children than the original strain?

Today, there are more children in hospitals for COVID19 than even back in the "winter surge".

 

[moproblems99]

WashPo is suggesting in a new article that more children are getting sick of COVID19. Perhaps the Delta variant is better at infecting children than the original strain?

Interesting information out there from the creator of mRNA tech that says the virus can actually become more infectious because of the mRNA vaccine. The only remotely credible resource I can find it was a reprint by MSN. Heavy emphasis on 'remotely credible'. I have no idea how credible it is, how edited it is but since it is from the creator of mRNA, I'll file it away for later usage. After all, the idea of the lab leak was grounds for ostracization so maybe this will be useful someday.

 

[the54thvoid]

Interesting information out there from the creator of mRNA tech that says the virus can actually become more infectious because of the mRNA vaccine. The only remotely credible resource I can find it was a reprint by MSN. Heavy emphasis on 'remotely credible'. I have no idea how credible it is, how edited it is but since it is from the creator of mRNA, I'll file it away for later usage. After all, the idea of the lab leak was grounds for ostracization so maybe this will be useful someday.

Having problems finding anthing remotely like that. Can you source it? And you don't get ostracised for sourcing rounded factual info. Just unsubstantiated rumour.

Found this:

False: Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines.

www.logically.ai

While Malone's research may have been important, scientific breakthroughs don't always boast a sole "inventor." Instead, they come about through the work of many.


UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines.

Looking a little further into Malone, I can see which media outlets and podcasts he's been appearing on. I won't get political but it's quite clear he's courting vaccine deniers and using misinformation riding on his past credits (one of which was not inventing mRNA).

 

[xkm1948]

Interesting information out there from the creator of mRNA tech that says the virus can actually become more infectious because of the mRNA vaccine. The only remotely credible resource I can find it was a reprint by MSN. Heavy emphasis on 'remotely credible'. I have no idea how credible it is, how edited it is but since it is from the creator of mRNA, I'll file it away for later usage. After all, the idea of the lab leak was grounds for ostracization so maybe this will be useful someday.

No it will not. They function at completely different ways. mRNA vaccine needs to get inside the cells, get translated to protein and then get the protein picked up by immune cells. Viron get inside cells through receptor binding, they release their RNA based genome once inside host cells. RNA genome of virus is also different from mRNA. mRNA requires specific modification down to both ends of molecule for it to translate. RNA genome does not have that. Immune function does not target mRNA molecule itself.

I am lost of words. The amount of false information, misinformation or straight out lies thrown around is insane from media outlets.

 

[Tatty_Two]

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WashPo is suggesting in a new article that more children are getting sick of COVID19. Perhaps the Delta variant is better at infecting children than the original strain?

Today, there are more children in hospitals for COVID19 than even back in the "winter surge".

I am not sure how many in the UK actually got sick in May and June with Delta where we were at our worst but I do know that under 18's allegedly accounted for 80% of our infections and therefore mainly from school settings.

 

[moproblems99]

No it will not. They function at completely different ways. mRNA vaccine needs to get inside the cells, get translated to protein and then get the protein picked up by immune cells. Viron get inside cells through receptor binding, they release their RNA based genome once inside host cells. RNA genome of virus is also different from mRNA. mRNA requires specific modification down to both ends of molecule for it to translate. RNA genome does not have that. Immune function does not target mRNA molecule itself.

I am lost of words. The amount of false information, misinformation or straight out lies thrown around is insane from media outlets.

This is what was sent to me:

“This is precisely what one would see if antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) was happening. What is antibody dependent enhancement? Briefly, it’s that the vaccine causes the virus to become more infectious than would happen in the absence of vaccination, would cause the virus to replicate at higher levels than in the absence of infection.”

And came across articles for Dr. Malone, not actually the inventer, more of earlier contributor. I believe that quote came from a podcast or someone posted about it on Twitter. That's as far as I made it. Other than he does t recommend it for younger kids.

As I said before, I have no idea how credible it was/is.

 

[the54thvoid]

Information on ADE:

Are COVID-19 vaccines causing antibody-dependent enhancement?

May 25, 2021 by Health Desk – As of May 2021, there is no evidence to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines are leading to antibody-dependent enhancement.

health-desk.org

So far there have been no verified reports of ADE occurring as a result of COVID-19 vaccines

Some online mistruths are based on historical information that compares previous viruses and vaccination designs to COVID-19. It's important to note that scientists deliberately designed their COVID-19 vaccines to prevent ADE from occurring. Evidence has shown their attempts have been successful. The most recently published data on COVID-19 immune response after vaccination have not indicated that ADE is occurring in immunized populations.

 

[moproblems99]

Information on ADE:

Are COVID-19 vaccines causing antibody-dependent enhancement?

May 25, 2021 by Health Desk – As of May 2021, there is no evidence to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines are leading to antibody-dependent enhancement.

health-desk.org

Let's see how Delta changes that. As of July 4th, we had beaten Covid and people were free. But the war has changed. So that article may not be valid anymore.

I was actually more interested to know that he didn't recommend it for young people.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...r-vaccinations-after-u-s-missed-july-4-target

Today, while the virus hasn’t been vanquished, we know this: It no longer controls our lives, it no longer paralyzes our nation and it’s within our power to make sure it never does so again.

The thought, at least what I gathered, is that Delta is the result of ADE and is why everyone is going batshit crazy again.

 

[Space Lynx]

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Florida at -5% growth (!!!). This is a weekly-average, which suggests that Florida's numbers have peaked. (Knock on wood.)

US Average is +22%, which is a inflected-down from my last posting.

and florida and the other states will still stay anti-vaxx cause guess what, the huge influx of tax payer money paying "travel nurses" quick shipments of monoclonal antibodies overnight, etc etc saved a lot of the ones who went into the hospitals this round, the first few rounds of covid peaks never were that lucky.

so they will still shrug and say see, we didn't need vaccine after all.

must be nice, living in a world of endless printing presses. huhuhuhu

 

[moproblems99]

Or the fact the head of the CDC said 'pregant people'. If you want to deny the science that says men can't have babies, I don't feel all that comfortable taking any other advice from you.

 

[Space Lynx]

Or the fact the head of the CDC said 'pregant people'. If you want to deny the science that says men can't have babies, I don't feel all that comfortable taking any other advice from you.

100% agree. I lost faith in CDC a long time ago. That's why I get a compilation of sources from multiple countries scientists before I make my decisions.