Next-Gen GPUs: What Matters Most to You?

[lexluthermiester]

Aww RT is pretty low.

That doesn't mean people don't want it, it just means it not their highest priority.

 

[N/A]

Well, efficiency is the only thing that won't improve significantly.

 

[Totally]

Well point is, I use 750 to 1000kw.hrs a month, and my gpu might be 1-2kwhrs of that. So if next gen is the same energy efficiency.....meh I guess. It's way beyond the point of diminishing returns on electricity cost savings for me.

Now, you're just being ignorant. How about a datacenters running several thousands GPUs, instead of your house? You might not think a datacenter affects you but they do drive up the cost of water and electric that is reflected on your energy bill.

 

[AusWolf]

Now, you're just being ignorant. How about a datacenters running several thousands GPUs, instead of your house? You might not think a datacenter affects you but they do drive up the cost of water and electric that is reflected on your energy bill.

There's nothing you can do about that, is there? The question is what's important to you, and not what's important to the world at large.

 

[Bagerklestyne]

But you couldn't get any card for RRP because of crypto. Then the price hike carried on like nothing happened. Both the 30 and 40 series are a big dumpster fire, imo.

True, but frame per RRP $ was a big improvement.

 

[AusWolf]

True, but frame per RRP $ was a big improvement.

I don't count that as an improvement as long as there's no way to get a card anywhere near RRP.

 

[Bagerklestyne]

I don't count that as an improvement as long as there's no way to get a card anywhere near RRP.

True, however, there's no crypto saturation or driving scalp going on, so there's hope for RRP cards, at after the initial release hype.

 

[AusWolf]

True, however, there's no crypto saturation or driving scalp going on, so there's hope for RRP cards, at after the initial release hype.

I doubt it considering that Nvidia already adjusted RRP to crypto bullshit levels, and AMD followed along. I mean, 4080 for a thousand quid? Thanks, but no thanks. I don't have any illusions of next gen being any better in this regard.

 

[Bagerklestyne]

I doubt it considering that Nvidia already adjusted RRP to crypto bullshit levels, and AMD followed along. I mean, 4080 for a thousand quid? Thanks, but no thanks. I don't have any illusions of next gen being any better in this regard.

Stop dashing my dreams, let the corporations do it instead.

 

[R0H1T]

Stop dashing my dreams, let the corporations do it instead.

Ok go back to sleep now

 

[kondamin]

so how about tpu makes voting for polls something you can only do when you signed in and can only do once.

results are a farce, wouldnt surprise me that if I check back next week frame generation will suddenly have 600k votes

 

[marios15]

They could justify the >1000$ prices by using HBM, which would further reduce power+increase bandwidth and at least give a hint of actual innovation.

But those margins...

Does anyone have a trend chart of GPU price VS GPU die size for the last ~ 24 years?

 

[Krit]

I voted for that because I don't want midrange cards to eat 250-300 Watts and come with gigantic triple-slot coolers. I remember when midrange was 120 W in true ITX form factor. Those were good times.

Pricing is inconsequential if you don't upgrade every generation, like you shouldn't anyway because it's not worth it.

As a GTX 670 (direct Cu II), GTX 970 (Gaming 4G), GTX 1070 (Gaming X) owner i get what your saying here. TDP 145w - 170w. These are most compact and quietest gpus i ever had (out of the box) cool and quiet at the same time it doesn't warm up other components like cpu in closed case.

I'm voted for pricing because RTX 40 series prices at the start was simply absurd. All lineup was hevelly overpriced RTX 4060, RTX 4060Ti, RTX 4070, RTX 4070Ti, RTX 4080 only decent gpu was RTX 4090!

RTX 4060Ti 128-bit 400$ when it should cost 300$
RTX 4070 192-bit 600$ when it should cost 420$
RTX 4070Ti 192-bit 800$ when it should cost 500$
RTX 4080 256-bit 1200$ when it should cost 700$

And even then there are questions because cryptocurrency is not what it was before when electric prices were lower. Right now cryptocurrency from gpu mining is it even profitable? This is important becouse miners buy way more than actual gamers. To me pandemic is just a cheap excuse at late 2022-2024.

 

[AusWolf]

As a GTX 670 (direct Cu II), GTX 970 (Gaming 4G), GTX 1070 (Gaming X) owner i get what your saying here. TDP 145w - 170w. These are most compact and quietest gpus i ever had (out of the box) cool and quiet at the same time it doesn't warm up other components like cpu in closed case.

I'm voted for pricing because RTX 40 series prices at the start was simply absurd. All lineup was hevelly overpriced RTX 4060, RTX 4060Ti, RTX 4070, RTX 4070Ti, RTX 4080 only decent gpu was RTX 4090!

RTX 4060Ti 400$ when it should 300$
RTX 4070 600$ when it should 420$
RTX 4070Ti 800$ when it should 500$
RTX 4080 1200$ when it should 700$

And even then there are questions because cryptocurrency is not what it was before when electric prices were lower. Right now cryptocurrency from gpu mining is it even profitable? This is important becouse miners buy way more than actual gamers. To me pandemic is just a cheap excuse at late 2022-2024.

I get what you mean, but do you really have to upgrade? Sure, GPU prices are increasing, but the differences between generations are disappearing. For a 10-20% uplift, I really wouldn't get into the trouble of selling my GPU and forking out some cash for a new one. It's much better to keep your GPU for at least 2-3 generations, if not more, exactly because of what you said - there's no value in them anymore.

The pandemic was always a lame excuse to begin with, but that's a story for another day.

 

[b1k3rdude]

I voted pricing, but then would follow that with pricing. The 5000 series need to have the same pricing structure as the 3000 series. The days of charging £1000 and above for a consumer GPU wont be tolerated much if at all. So in other words if the 5080 lauches at £750 and is almost as fast as a 4090, and at less power, Im sold.

 

[Daven]

But you couldn't get any card for RRP because of crypto. Then the price hike carried on like nothing happened. Both the 30 and 40 series are a big dumpster fire, imo.

The 10 series was the last ‘we support gamers above all else’ GPUs from Nvidia. Then things got, how shall I say, “greedy”.

 

[64K]

As a GTX 670 (direct Cu II), GTX 970 (Gaming 4G), GTX 1070 (Gaming X) owner i get what your saying here. TDP 145w - 170w. These are most compact and quietest gpus i ever had (out of the box) cool and quiet at the same time it doesn't warm up other components like cpu in closed case.

I'm voted for pricing because RTX 40 series prices at the start was simply absurd. All lineup was hevelly overpriced RTX 4060, RTX 4060Ti, RTX 4070, RTX 4070Ti, RTX 4080 only decent gpu was RTX 4090!

RTX 4060Ti 128-bit 400$ when it should cost 300$
RTX 4070 192-bit 600$ when it should cost 420$
RTX 4070Ti 192-bit 800$ when it should cost 500$
RTX 4080 256-bit 1200$ when it should cost 700$

And even then there are questions because cryptocurrency is not what it was before when electric prices were lower. Right now cryptocurrency from gpu mining is it even profitable? This is important becouse miners buy way more than actual gamers. To me pandemic is just a cheap excuse at late 2022-2024.

You're right the 4080 price was absurd and the 4060 and 4070 were labeled a tier higher than they should have been in order to overcharge but for some reason you forgot to mention that the 7900 XTX which was the competition for the 4080 launched at $1,000 so that was also absurd but just not as bad. The 7900 XTX should have been $700 also as you pointed out so you are right AMD is greedy too.

 

[Krit]

You're right the 4080 price was absurd and the 4060 and 4070 were labeled a tier higher than they should have been in order to overcharge but for some reason you forgot to mention that the 7900 XTX which was the competition for the 4080 launched at $1,000 so that was also absurd but just not as bad. The 7900 XTX should have been $700 also as you pointed out so you are right AMD is greedy too.

So you think that RX 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 will cost the same to manufacture them ? AMD also is greedy but not so much.

 

[64K]

So you think that RX 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 will cost the same to manufacture them ? AMD also is greedy but not so much.

Of course not. The 7900 XTX had a much larger die size and far more transistors to achieve the similar raster performance as the 4080 but I don't think it cost $300 more to manufacture the chip.

 

[Krit]

Of course not. The 7900 XTX had a much larger die size and far more transistors to achieve the similar raster performance as the 4080 but I don't think it cost $300 more to manufacture the chip.

I'm not defending AMD it's just behind in technology and will make less money from producing gpus. NVIDIA is at the wheel and they will do what ever they want and all depends on them not AMD. That's way i'm not mentioning AMD it's just not so important right now. Hopefully rdna 4 will be cheaper otherwise it's end for them less than 10% market share!

 

[64K]

Hopefully rdna 4 will be cheaper.

I doubt RDNA 4 will be cheaper for the very reason that you are pointing out. Nvidia will set their MSRP and depending on the performance of RDNA 4 AMD will match the prices or if less performance in RT then adjust the price a little downward.

I'm hoping that AMD comes through on their commitment to considerably improve RT performance. That will help to raise them some from the abysmal 12% market share they currently have while Nvidia holds an 88% share even though they are overcharging even more than AMD but part of the problem (Nvidia popularity and trust in performance) will remain no matter what they do.

 

[Daven]

Unless my browser cache is not updating for some reason, it looks like W1zzard just cleaned up the junk votes. Before the vote was almost over 70K. Now it's just over 21K and all the choices have changed ranks.

 

[AusWolf]

Unless my browser cache is not updating for some reason, it looks like W1zzard just cleaned up the junk votes. Before the vote was almost over 70K. Now it's just over 21K and all the choices have changed ranks.

I see the same here too.

 

[Krit]

Now it's clear that Energy Efficiency spike was suspicious. Someone was trolling.

 

[AusWolf]

Now it's clear that Energy Efficiency spike was suspicious. Someone was trolling.

How is it possible to troll the vote, though? I thought only 1 vote was allowed per IP address.