Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[Zazigalka]

It's a completely different matter if AMD also overprices their video cards

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there is only one 9070xt that's really has a chance of beating what they already have out.

 

[AusWolf]

@AusWolf
sure.
for me, "affordability" isnt connected to the price of a product, but to how much (disposable) income we have, and part why i hate reviews that incorporate price into their rating,
as its up to the buyer.
ppl dont buy expensive stuff because its the better deal/value (say bentley vs different brand for 50 or 25% of the cost), but because they like it and have the money for it.
e.g. would you worry about 1000E rent/payments month for a house, if you made 10K net a month? probably not.

since 7000 series, i always had a xx80 (or equivalent), and while not likely im getting more than a xx70 card this time,
if i still had my previous job/income, i probably would have been fine with whatever the 5080 would cost (incl WB).
not because i like Nvs pricing/tiers, but im done "wasting" time on tweaking/tuning/optimizing a lower tier card (for small gains) that i could buy with my funds,
and getting something a lot faster, and enjoy having more time for actual use/gaming, even if this means saving up to pay for the leather fee.

So the problem isn't pricing. The problem is that I don't have the allocated disposable income for a high-end GPU in the current economy. Since you seem to think that it's a me problem, maybe you have the solution ready as well?

And people forget that, you can do more with a GPU than just play video games.

And that's fine. Personally, I come from a video games only perspective, which I'd like to believe that is equally fine.

 

[Krit]

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there is only one 9070xt that's really has a chance of beating what they already have out.

nvidia is trying to destroy lower mid end segment there are no good prices AMD may improve situation (may be) the same as intel B580/B770..... But will see

 

[Dristun]

Real incomes have lagged behind price growth so badly and for so long that the number of people mad at everything expensive and everyone who can afford any above average-income entertainment/status shit feels like at all time high for me, on any hobbyist forum I visit from PC hardware to music instruments.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Yeah, it does.

Good for you.

I do too, but really, it doesn't matter like you think it does.

Yeah.. sure you do.

Like you and your buddies?

Thanks.

You care a hell of a lot more than I do. What you do in your life has no bearing on me. I really don't give a shit what you run.

Having a hard time I see. I don't have feelings, so this is comical.

You really love to contradict yourself a lot babe not to mention, the assumptions.

I wont risk a ban just because its simply not worth but do reflect on your own responses.

 

[Zazigalka]

nvidia is trying to destroy lower mid end segment there are no good prices AMD may improve situation (may be) the same as intel B580/B770..... But will see

Their pricing was always out of control in times when AMD wasnt a proper competitor. Chances are, you'll still have it a lot easier upgrading a 7800xt than someone upgrading a 4070ti.

 

[AusWolf]

Real incomes have lagged behind price growth so badly and for so long that the number of people mad at everything expensive and everyone who can afford any above average-income entertainment/status shit feels like at all time high for me, on any hobbyist forum I visit from PC hardware to music instruments.

Exactly. Therefore, being mad at the price of anything is a legitimate complaint. Even GPUs, which is the topic here. Everything else isn't.

 

[freeagent]

I cant afford anything either, why do you think I am still on AM4.

I game in mid range comfort lol.

 

[evernessince]

i wasnt talking about monopolies (thats a problem with regulations/laws in a country) or anything else, i simply stated the facts regarding the meaning of want/need.
we are in an end user forum, no hospital goes out and buys a (single) 5 fan/rgb/gaming gpu on a retail store, same way we dont say we want lower M2 gen5 costs,
so its more affordable to put in the next nasa/esa probe..

Except they sometimes do, I have sold cards to hospitals back when I did online commerce. It's always a very specific consumer SKU they are looking for. There's no such thing as a "gaming" GPU anymore, they are used for a wide array of things nowadays.

hobbies arent required for me to "make it" to the next day, like the "need" we buy (food etc), and billions on this planet not gaming, show its not a need.

its fine to have a hobby, fine if its gaming, and i dont have a problem when ppl arent happy with pricing/tiers etc, but again, the user has the choice of buying or not.
my problem is with ppl applying the "but it should be affordable" only to pc hw/gaming, but never to any other "big ticket" aspect of life, like buying a car/house etc.

Again you completely miss the point. GPUs are not a hobby for many, they are job. In addition, you increasingly reply on goods and services that require a GPU, I gave a huge list in my prior comments to you of them but you seem to ignore it.

have "you" argued with a potential landlord that you cant rent a 3 bedroom penthouse for 500/month, or that the +500 HP 2-door from a german brand costs twice what asian brands charge for a 4-door?
so i should be able to afford golf/flying/car racing (insert anything not needed to survive), because its a hobby "i like"? so how is gaming any different?

Except no one here is arguing that "because product X is cheaper, Y should be as well." It's a nonsensicals strawman created by you.

The argument against the price was based on the merits and value of the product itself, to which you again sidesteped replying to by simply stating that GPUs are a want.

You are very adamaent in avoiding an actual merit based argument or any argument based on the facts.

and if the 5080 was 399$, you would very likely not even be complaining about pricing, yet it would still be way too much cost,for billions on this planet,
e.g. you would be fine with that cost, only because it fits in "your" budget.

How about you let people speak for themselves instead of assuming their postion and the arguing based off that assumption.

No, $400 would likely be too close to cost for a 5080 due to a variety of factors like wafer price, more expensive memory, inflation, ect. It's really a worthless hypothetical though, it simply won't be priced anywhere near there.

What you seem to miss repeatedly is that my arguments on price are merit based. Not based on my budget, that's just your attempt to get a petty personal jab in.

we have a certain amount of money to cover our needs, if something is left, we can spend it on what we want incl hobbies, but that has ZERO to do with companies selling a product (at a certain price),
just so we can afford it.

Which is again irrelevant in arguing what the value of a product is based on the facts.

 

[Krit]

I cant afford anything either, why do you think I am still on AM4.

ZEN3 is not that bad for gaming especially 5700X3D and 5800X3D new gen will not be so much faster.

 

[freeagent]

ZEN3 is not that bad for gaming especially 5700X3D and 5800X3D new gen will not be so much faster.

58X3D is ok at lower resolutions, I prefer my 5900X @ 4K60.

 

[Solaris17]

This is just going to be a public warning for people to chill.

This thread is about next gen GPUs being more expensive. Bottom line.

It is not about an individual users spending habits or attacking people about those habits.

 

[evernessince]

There's also the fact that AMD has bigger dies for similar performance. Eg 7900XT 530 mm vs 4080S 380 mm.

Similar to huge B580 die compared to 4060 etc. Much higher cost of manufacturing to get similar result.

It doesn't work that way for chiplet based products.

Chiplet based designs inherently use more space but they vastly lower the cost you are paying per square mm. This is down to the fact that they increase the yields as less die area is wasted per defect. A defective 4080 super die costs Nvidia 380mm2 of that wafer. A defective 7900 XTX die costs AMD 304mm2. The MCM dies are so small (37.5mm2) and on an older node, they without a doubt have extremely high yields.

This is one advantage of chiplets, you split a monolithic die into smaller pieces and this in turn reduces production costs.

 

[Solaris17]

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You bet I am going to sit here until everyone is behaving.

 

[Dristun]

Exactly. Therefore, being mad at the price of anything is a legitimate complaint. Even GPUs, which is the topic here. Everything else isn't.

I agree, I'm not saying it's illegitimate. I don't even know how to explain myself without going elsewhere topic-wise! There's so much about prices going crazy and not much except AI demand that applies to just GPUs or Jensen or Lisa, haha.

 

[Sir Beregond]

I dont know what Nvidia is going to do with 5080 prices but I hope it's not super dumb. They are sticking to 5nm and they already sell AD103 silicon at $800 comfortably with the 4070 Ti Super. So if they really try to do that $1500+ thing, that's just a money grab.

 

[Solaris17]

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[sn2x]

I will laugh hard if

RTX 5090 launches at 1999$ or more, RTX 5080 1199$ or more, RTX 5070 Ti 899$ or more, RTX 5070 649$ or more, RTX 5060 Ti 499$ or more, RTX 5060 329$ or more.

There's no explanation for such prices for a gaming video cards. It's a completely different matter if AMD also overprices their video cards then it will be complete disaster.

5080 and 5090 will be expensive as AMD isn't competing there.

How Nvidia prices their mid-range cards depends on how competitive AMD ends up being. If Nvidia charges those kinds of prices for the mid-range, its because AMD failed to be competitive yet again...

 

[Bronan]

Navi 31 has 57.7 billion transistors, AD103 has 45.9 billion transistors.



The big Navi 41 was actually cancelled, because it failed to deliver the expected performance progress.
It wasn't about anything even remotely smart by AMD, it was a consequence of their lack of technological know-how.

AMD has canceled some GPUs, but don't panic! - Read this story on Magzter.com

Read this exciting story from Maximum PC October 2023. SPEND ENOUGH TIME in this game and you get a feel for rumors that are very likely true. And I'm getting the sense that the latest ones suggesting AMD has ditched the high-end variants of its next-gen RDNA 4 graphics family are on the money...

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I am sorry lad but that post meant nothing because it was already mentioned by AMD that they pulled out of the race against nvidia
And i agree as nothing was good enough for the reviewers which are often paid and get free gifts from nvidia
I stopped looking at reviews because that is a big business model i saw several of these gifts which these youtube "ahum" reviewers get in a box costing more than 30k dollars so i only look at the tech info and bought myself a 6700 XT and was stunned that it runs much better than the so called so honest reviewers was babbling about.
And by the way buying a gpu without paying too much nowadays is total in the hands of scalpers who apparently have very deep pockets and buy complete stocks from everywhere on the planet and sell them at insane prices.
I can not even buy a second hand card anymore as these scalpers buy them up as well to keep demand up
We have another rotten apple in the hardware world who are pumping up prices as much as possible before you can buy anything
So again AMD had already said that they will pull out of the race and they where right todo so nvidia lovers will keep whining and crying or are celebrating that AMD had enough of the useless battle with power gulping idiot cards
That most people do not care about the planet being destroyed by this thinking and btw means humans get more free disasters which are now more and in higher frequency happening over the planet.
Which clearly is caused by the not so bright and smart humanity is a fact.
That alot of people do not care for one second is well known, untill your properties (house, car or whatever ) gets destroyed by a nice disaster then the whining starts, if you survive it at all.
Look how disasters are growing on the planet with huge numbers and in scale
I send emails to AMD also about we the humans have to take care of this tiny rock else we die out sooner than you ever imagine.
The endless new disasters are not going away but will increase, not fade away if we do not use that little amount of brains most humans seem to use.

 

[jarablue]

There was a price leak today on the 5080 and 5090. Apparently 1300 and 2600. Price leak was from china.

RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 listed for $2,600 and $1,350 at Chinese retailer — leaked listing suggests Blackwell might see an eye-popping price hike, at least in China | Tom's Hardware

 

[wheresmycar]

Maybe i can drop my 2 cents too..

I don't mind spending money. I don't mind overspending money to feed the enthusiasm. But I do mind being sharply bent over and shafted. We're in the latter stage.

80-class GPUs for well over a GRAND is just downright infuriating

If upper middle-range 70-class hovers around ~$900... say no more, "sharply bent over and shafted"

You gotto call it like it is. I've been buying Nvidia since the days when ray tracing was just something the sun did for free. It ain't rocket science - when your go-to solution provider drops their pants with the window wide open, shouting "we don't care about the perception of value"... well, you've got no choice but to believe them! Lets face it, Nvidia's liquid nitrogen price benchmarking is on overclock mode and they're laughing all the way to the bank. This was inevitable. AMD bowing out of the higher-tier race was the bigger shocker for me, at a time when i was considering AMD next-GEN as a potential alternative. lol they saw me coming and packed up their bags and just took off, leaving a little note "we'll udna you later". (double-bummer)

 

[HuLkY]

There was a price leak today on the 5080 and 5090. Apparently 1300 and 2600. Price leak was from china.

RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 listed for $2,600 and $1,350 at Chinese retailer — leaked listing suggests Blackwell might see an eye-popping price hike, at least in China | Tom's Hardware

I seriously hope this is fake! usually, nV puts the price like one hour before their conferences, and these prices are steep in Chinese market, I hope we don't go so north of the pricing of already bad 4000 series, and some miracle happens to AMD and Intel!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Exactly. Therefore, being mad at the price of anything is a legitimate complaint. Even GPUs, which is the topic here. Everything else isn't.

We can be upset all we want but Nvidia can and should price their products with whatever the actual market dictates the lower end stuff being trash is more annoying to me than what they price the 5080/90 at.
Nvidia no longer needs a home user to buy a single gpu and all their gaming technologies they are pushing is a side effect of the push for AI. In 10 years we will look back at today's prices and say damn I wish stuff was still that cheap....At least that's what I think.

I cant afford anything either, why do you think I am still on AM4.

I game in mid range comfort lol.

Nothing wrong with that 99% of people will not be able to afford beyond the mid range the way it's going at least we have some pricing competition on the cpu side but who knows how long that will last with how poorly Intel is doing qtr to qtr.

 

[Vayra86]

AMD has better Linux support and a generally open source approach to gaming tech as opposed to Nvidia's in-house technologies, which makes them more likeable in my eyes. The problem is that their marketing is shit, they don't know how to build on what they have. They are looked at as a follower of Nvidia because that's the image that they build for themselves, and not because that's what they are. Their keynotes and presentations should be about open-source gaming, and not about "hey, look, we have RT, too".

I think time has proven already that open source gaming isn't directly attracting gamers. That line only works on the true nerds, and they are too few.

But why isn't AMD telling us every day that they power our favorite consoles... our Deck... etc. And from there its easy to bridge the gap to 'support for open systems', and show people the what behind the story.

Why isn't there an AMD gaming logo before you fire up your Xbox or PS or a game on it?

 

[Bomby569]

Why isn't there an AMD gaming logo before you fire up your Xbox or PS or a game on it?

AMD is just a parts supplier, like many others, for xbox and playstation. If they could they would