Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[Onasi]

I wouldn't necessarily call it low level, but $800 for nvidia is mid range which is disappointing enough, and price to performance just doesn't scale up well because Nvidia wants to sell features most gamers don't even care about.

It doesn’t matter how one, even NVidia itself, sees things. Mid-range is what the majority of buyers are shopping in. And it historically has been, still is and will be for the foreseeable future the x50 to x70 tiers. 800 is by no means a “mid-range” card pricing. Neither is its performance. And price to performance has never scaled well up to high levels, even legends like the 1080 Ti weren’t an exception. Enthusiasts praised it, sure, but it was the humble 1060 (and the RX 480) that was the common mans champion.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Honestly man do you have business being a mod when your stance starts here.

Are these 'team red users'? Its really funny, the shortsightedness. Did you know the system specs on TPU only really allow for one system to be placed there? Does it occur to you that people move back and forth between 'teams' all the time? That there is a third team now in GPU land? That a lot of Nvidia teammates also own a console with an AMD APU?

I really hope you will use 2025 to open your mind a little bit instead of letting your gut speak - as a mod. You've certainly not improved lately.

I get both sides though there is a very vocal minority on here that trash everything Nvidia it's mostly amusing to me honestly when the whole reason Nvidia is in the position they are is because of inferior competition that has mostly given up on actually competing with a full stack over the last 8-10 years.

I don't blame intel for 8 years of quad cores even though that sucked I blame the competition for allowing it the big difference with Nvidia vs intel though is even if AMD came out with an Amazing product Nvidia would launch something that crushes it or is at least good enough to make it not matter a month or two later. The only real hope for AMD is Nvidia leaving the market if not they will stay in that 1 AMD card for every 9 Nvidia cards ratio and if they are happy with that good for them.

For me I just hope they get back the to 290X/7970 days and while those cards probably still got dominated by their Nvidia counterparts I bought both because they were good enough vs the competition maybe that is no longer possible in the age of RT and upscaling and maybe that is why AMD fanboys especially hold so much resentment towards both.

Personally I think a mod/staff shouldn't have to be a mod/staff 100% of the time and should be able to join in on the conversation however they want as long as they are not also moderating on the thread. That is just me though.

 

[igormp]

Actual Quadro is now RTX A series. They have way better specs than the normal gaming RTX but ridiculous prices too.

NVIDIA RTX PRO in Desktops

The World’s Most Powerful Platform for AI, Graphics, and Simulation.

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The "A" series was only for the Ampere generation (such as the A6000). Turing and Ada had no letter at the beginning, so we had two RTX 6000, one for turing and another for Ada.
They often use the same chip found in the consumer parts. The RTX 6000 Ada uses a higher binned version of the 4090, but with slower memories and lower clocks, and double the VRAM.
The RTX 5000 has a smaller bus, lower clocks, slower memory, less SMs enabled than a 4090, but more VRAM still.
Nvidia mostly segments those lineups on VRAM nowadays.

Nvidia's speed advantage, and features don't warrant 88% market dominance.

I believe this may also be a supply issue, somehow. Where I live I can barely find any 7900 xtx for sale, and the ones that I found are priced really close to a 4090, which makes it totally nonsense.

 

[wheresmycar]

This should be the cost of RTX 5000 series with accordance with 2 decades of previous pricing from Nvidia themselves, taking into account inflation as well.

RTX 5090 $1200 (a Titan type product that can have a price premium for being the absolute best)
RTX 5080 $800 (considering there is no TI product this and last generation, this is the absolute best for normal consumers, meaning people who still have to work 8 hours a day, 6 days a week to be able to afford stuff. This leaves Nvidia with at least 10% profits over what it costs to bring and sell to market)
RTX 5070ti $600 (likely to sit closer to the 5080 than the 5070, its a bridge between the two cards and historically $600 is not an insane price for this tier)
RTX 5070 $450 (considering its got only 12gb of vram this is a very weak card, 12gb can already be used up in several games at highest settings and only 1440p resolutions, historically the 70 series has not been more than the $400-490 price range)
RTX 5060TI $300 (forget the little TI bit, this is essentially the true 5060, we get a TI only so it can be sold at a premium, so in essence its the real 5060 and should not sell for more than $300)
RTX 5060 $230 (in all intents and purposes this is a x050 series card, it will come with a measly 8GB of vram and 128bit bus interface, which is way too low for 2025)
RTX 5050 $130 (in all reality this is a GT 730 type card, GT 1030 type card, so its barebones entry level, it should not cost a penny over $150, should probably go for $120)

Yes please!!

Actually with the HUGE hardware gap between the 5080 and 5090, Nvidia can HALO price the 5090 for whatever they want. Sell it for $5000. Nguyen and co will still buy it lol

TBH, even these prices are expensive but the type of expense hardware enthusiasm and desired performance can bare.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes please!!

Actually with the HUGE hardware gap between the 5080 and 5090, Nvidia can HALO price the 5090 for whatever they want. Sell it for $5000. Nguyen and co will still buy it lol

TBH, even these prices are expensive but the type of expense hardware enthusiasm and desired performance can bare.

We have a better chance of AMD actually competing than ever getting these prices again every node shrink the price is going to go up it's probably why 5000 series is using basically the same node as 4000 series.....

I do think they can probably get away with $2500 on the 5090 though due to the 32GB of vram more than the actual performance increase and then replace it a year later with a 5090 super at 2000 to offload stock if they even have any. To maintain the same margins as the 4090 it would need to be around $2000 from what I've seen and I doubt they want to take less margins on it.

I do wonder at what point even the Nvidia die hard who think Jensen Huang is their lord and savior start to say enough is enough with the price gauging.

 

[nguyen]

I gotta figure out how to put my kids to work. I would probably be still using my 980 Classified right now if I didnt have to share with my eldest son.. So I got the 3070Ti and the 980 went to him. He never complained, but for what he was trying to do, the card wasnt cutting it. So I got my 4070Ti on a killer sale from Amazon and he got my 3070Ti. Still no complaints but my youngest is not too impressed with the 980 after seeing our rigs..

Just wait buddy, you will buy your kids consoles, and they will be happy.. for awhile. But then they want more..

So really, I have 2 kids, and my inner child to supply for.. I should have made better life choices

My kid yearly tuition is more than 10k usd, I gotta take care of my inner child too .

Been trying to lead my kid into glorious PCMR, she is having fun with Intel integrated graphic atm

 

[oxrufiioxo]

My kid yearly tuition is more than 10k usd, I gotta take care of my inner child too .

Been trying to lead my kid into glorious PCMR, she is having fun with Intel intergrated graphic atm

That's what mines pre school is going to cost.... California FTW

 

[DaemonForce]

For me being an enthusiast means you can talk in-depth about certain topic/product, not just the price .

That's one consequence of it, yeah. Most people don't even know what CPU they have.
When I get up at dawn and listen to a pink woman yap for about an hour about absolutely nothing, I try introducing CES to her after she mentions her computer being slow and thinking about getting a new one. The reactions are important. You start to discover a lot about how some very average people (barely) function when they already demand way more power than most gamers. Streaming and all manner of camera technologies make everything so weird and complicated. It's worse when people don't understand how to use what they've depended on for several years. So some problems just never get fixed.

Some of these people think the 5090 has been out for a while. Maybe in the form of datacenter tech?
These types are on ~2070, ~3070 or ~4070 stuff at the minimum while I'm just starting to find B580 streamers.
At my crossroads there will be options all over the place: 7900XT, 9070XT, 4070 Ti Super, 5070...All to satisfy my need for FP64.
I will never saturate these cards 100% unless I really crank up the VR upscaling to like 500% and then still no.
Desktop won't matter outside Radeon/OBS either. Pretty funny to call it out like this but FSR/DLSS already BTFO. Won't be needed.

I will just write, vote with your wallet.

And that's the best we can do for now.

 

[tfdsaf]

I get both sides though there is a very vocal minority on here that trash everything Nvidia it's mostly amusing to me honestly when the whole reason Nvidia is in the position they are is because of inferior competition that has mostly given up on actually competing with a full stack over the last 8-10 years.

I don't blame intel for 8 years of quad cores even though that sucked I blame the competition for allowing it the big difference with Nvidia vs intel though is even if AMD came out with an Amazing product Nvidia would launch something that crushes it or is at least good enough to make it not matter a month or two later. The only real hope for AMD is Nvidia leaving the market if not they will stay in that 1 AMD card for every 9 Nvidia cards ratio and if they are happy with that good for them.

For me I just hope they get back the to 290X/7970 days and while those cards probably still got dominated by their Nvidia counterparts I bought both because they were good enough vs the competition maybe that is no longer possible in the age of RT and upscaling and maybe that is why AMD fanboys especially hold so much resentment towards both.

Personally I think a mod/staff shouldn't have to be a mod/staff 100% of the time and should be able to join in on the conversation however they want as long as they are not also moderating on the thread. That is just me though.

That is false! AMD did have better products for at least 4 years in the CPU market, they were called Phenom processors, it didn't make one bit of a difference.

Even with AMD being much better overall now and for the last at least 4 years, Intel still dominates the CPU market with over 70% of market share.

So clearly there is something wrong with consumers minds, NOT the competition. Why would anyone buy Intel now? There is no reason at all, not even a stupid and illogical one, so the only explanation is that people are sick mentally and until the sickness is healed they will continue their zombie purchasing practices.

Same thing with GPU's, AMD was better with their 8000 and 9000 series GPU's, Nvidia's FX line flopped so hard, AMD was again better with their x1000 series, etc... AMD had better graphic cards multiple times, Nvidia's Fermi GTS 400 all the way to GTX 700 were all garbage. Even the 900 series was garbage with the exception of the 970, which was a scam in itself with only 3.5gb of vram.

So AMD were better in terms of performance and price for multiple generations and multiple years, it did not change anything because its NOT about the competition, its about a mind virus, mind sickness that prevents people from thinking rationally!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That is false! AMD did have better products for at least 4 years in the CPU market, they were called Phenom processors, it didn't make one bit of a difference.

Even with AMD being much better overall now and for the last at least 4 years, Intel still dominates the CPU market with over 70% of market share.

So clearly there is something wrong with consumers minds, NOT the competition. Why would anyone buy Intel now? There is no reason at all, not even a stupid and illogical one, so the only explanation is that people are sick mentally and until the sickness in healed they will continue their zombie purchasing practices.

Same thing with GPU's, AMD was better with their 8000 and 9000 series GPU's, Nvidia's FX line flopped so hard, AMD was again better with their x1000 series, etc... AMD had better graphic cards multiple times, Nvidia's Fermi GTS 400 all the way to GTX 700 were all garbage. Even the 900 series was garbage with the exception of the 970, which was a scam in itself with only 3.5gb of vram.

So AMD were better in terms of performance and price for multiple generations and multiple years, it did not change anything because its NOT about the competition, its about a mind virus, mind sickness that prevents people from thinking rationally!

Phenom X6 was 14 years ago from my memory and was ok Bulldozer was 13 years ago and was a disaster could you kindly link a benchmark showing it better than an intel i5 2500k/i7 2600k from a reputable reviewer which is what 13 years old at this point....

I guess you just glossed over the time frame I listed.....

 

[Krit]

Phenom was 14 years ago from my memory and was ok Bulldozer was 13 years ago and was a disaster could you kindly link a benchmark showing it better than an intel i5 2500k/i7 2600k from a reputable reviewer which is what 13 years old at this point....

It was before intel core i series! ~ 2007 - 2010

FX was not good but Phenom was better.

 

[freeagent]

Intel and AMD have been switching places back and forth over the decades, nothing new to see here.

 

[nguyen]

That is false! AMD did have better products for at least 4 years in the CPU market, they were called Phenom processors, it didn't make one bit of a difference.

Even with AMD being much better overall now and for the last at least 4 years, Intel still dominates the CPU market with over 70% of market share.

So clearly there is something wrong with consumers minds, NOT the competition. Why would anyone buy Intel now? There is no reason at all, not even a stupid and illogical one, so the only explanation is that people are sick mentally and until the sickness is healed they will continue their zombie purchasing practices.

Same thing with GPU's, AMD was better with their 8000 and 9000 series GPU's, Nvidia's FX line flopped so hard, AMD was again better with their x1000 series, etc... AMD had better graphic cards multiple times, Nvidia's Fermi GTS 400 all the way to GTX 700 were all garbage. Even the 900 series was garbage with the exception of the 970, which was a scam in itself with only 3.5gb of vram.

So AMD were better in terms of performance and price for multiple generations and multiple years, it did not change anything because its NOT about the competition, its about a mind virus, mind sickness that prevents people from thinking rationally!

So more people are buying AMD CPU these days, but those same people are also buying Nvidia GPU, because of some mind virus against AMD products? very weird.

Also AMD market cap is like 2.5x that of Intel now, AMD have been investing in more lucrative sectors such as AI/Data Center, meanwhile Intel is stuck making cheap CPU/GPU

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It was before intel core i series! ~ 2009

Yeah I know I just don't remember it being better than the 900 series that was a year old by the time it was released....

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Maybe my time frame was off a little but I meant 2008-2017 it felt longer due to only really having one option I guess I don't remember there being any actually good especially for gaming cpu's from AMD Phenom X6 was ok if you were stuck in the 100-150 range but Bulldozer was a disaster that they couldn't even prove was actually an 8 core cpu smh..... I should have been more specific as I meant for a gaming machine. Although I don't remember the 900 series being slower either. Unless he meant once the phenom/Bulldozer chips dropping to 100 bucks or less made them magically good.

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[tfdsaf]

Phenom was 14 years ago from my memory and was ok Bulldozer was 13 years ago and was a disaster could you kindly link a benchmark showing it better than an intel i5 2500k/i7 2600k from a reputable reviewer which is what 13 years old at this point....

Doesn't matter when it was, point is it did not change anything, They had better processors for 4 years and Intel still came on top. AMD has had the better processors for the past 4 years, better value system for at least 7 years now, yet Intel is still at a 70% market share. And in 3 years time Intel might get back on top again and regain market share again and reach 90% of it again.

Right now the market share should be 60%-40% for AMD because Intel's 13 and 14 series have had major issues with reliability, their 12 series were much worse value than Ryzen counterparts, their new 200 series are inferior in almost all departments and are still very expensive, so market share you'd think would be in AMD's favor.

Same thing with GPU's, AMD has absolutely dominated Nvidia in terms of performance and value and everything, yet Nvidia has kept a 70%+ market share at their lowest and realistically more like 85% market share for over 2 decades.

So if its not the competition coming up with better products, which I've shown they have multiple times, then you have to admit that its a mind virus that makes consumers sick and unable to think rationally. They go for their abuser.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Doesn't matter when it was, point is it did not change anything, They had better processors for 4 years and Intel still came on top. AMD has had the better processors for the past 4 years, better value system for at least 7 years now, yet Intel is still at a 70% market share. And in 3 years time Intel might get back on top again and regain market share again and reach 90% of it again.

Right now the market share should be 60%-40% for AMD because Intel's 13 and 14 series have had major issues with reliability, their 12 series were much worse value than Ryzen counterparts, their new 200 series are inferior in almost all departments and are still very expensive, so market share you'd think would be in AMD's favor.

Same thing with GPU's, AMD has absolutely dominated Nvidia in terms of performance and value and everything, yet Nvidia has kept a 70%+ market share at their lowest and realistically more like 85% market share for over 2 decades.

So if its not the competition coming up with better products, which I've shown they have multiple times, then you have to admit that its a mind virus that makes consumers sick and unable to think rationally. They go for their abuser.

They've consistently have had good cpu's since 2017 and it has changed a lot whats the point it they kept at it and did not give up after 1 or 2 gens things might be different.... My only point is how inconsistent they have been on the gpu side since 2014 and and how inconsistent they were on the cpu side from 2008-2017......

 

[nguyen]

Same thing with GPU's, AMD has absolutely dominated Nvidia in terms of performance and value and everything, yet Nvidia has kept a 70%+ market share at their lowest and realistically more like 85% market share for over 2 decades.

So if its not the competition coming up with better products, which I've shown they have multiple times, then you have to admit that its a mind virus that makes consumers sick and unable to think rationally. They go for their abuser.

Yeah...sure buddy, everyone is stupid

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah...sure buddy, everyone is stupid

Ryzen should be their blueprint for GPUs some of the most die hard Intel people have made the switch it took 5 generations of them being consistent though but it has paid off. The last intel cpu I even purchased was a 11500..... Vs like 8-9 Ryzen cpu's even though I bought nothing but intel from 2008-2018

 

[nguyen]

Ryzen should be their blueprint for GPUs some of the most die hard Intel people have made the switch it took 5 generations of them being consistent though but it has paid off. The last intel cpu I even purchased was a 11500..... Vs like 8-9 Ryzen cpu's even though I bought nothing but intel from 2008-2018

Truth is that Intel has only been floundering for the past 2 years, their 12/13th gen were rather competitive and maintained the status quo (meaning no marketshare shift between 2 brands). Intel 14th and Core Ultra series sucked ass any Intel is paying the price dearly.

From the latest Steam Survey

AMD gained 5% in just 2months, and according to AMD fans that is still injustice toward AMD

 

[x4it3n]

People need to stop freaking out about the 5090 pricing... $2500 will not happen. I think Nvidia will sell it between $1900 and $2000. $2500 would be a 56% price increase for about the same performance increase, in other words the Gen on Gen value would be inexistent... unless the 5090 was AT LEAST 2x more powerful than the 4090, which will probably not happen unless Blackwell IPC is 50-60%+ vs Lovelace! (Keep dreaming).

The 4090 MSRP only increased by $100 vs 3090 despite a big manufacturing cost increase. TSMC 4N node being much more expensive than Samsung 8nm, 4090 having 56% more CUDA Cores vs 3090 and also having 12x the amount of L2 Cache vs 3090.
Sure the 5090 will have a 512-bit bus and GDDR7 and 33% more CUDA Cores but it's not enough to justify a 50%+ price increase. Also GeForce GPUs are still Gaming GPUs, they're not sold as Quadro or A.I./Datacenter chips.

 

[freeagent]

I came here asking for advice on a new system in 2020 after using Intel for more than a decade. They were all saying AM4, and I listened. I shit bricks at checkout. Turns out it is just like running old Intel, but stronger

We all know AMD makes good stuff.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Truth is that Intel has only been floundering for the past 2 years, their 12/13th gen were rather competitive and maintained the status quo (meaning no marketshare shift between 2 brands). Intel 14th and Core Ultra series sucked ass any Intel is paying the price dearly.

From the latest Steam Survey
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AMD gained 5% in just 2months, and according to AMD fans that is still injustice toward AMD

It takes consistency for sure Intel still does really well in Laptops and Big box brands like Dell and HP but in the diy market if you could measure that I bet it would be pretty lopsided.

I came here asking for advice on a new system in 2020 after using Intel for more than a decade. They were all saying AM4, and I listened. I shit bricks at checkout. Turns out it is just like running old Intel, but stronger

We all know AMD makes good stuff.

The key is they need to make good stuff consistently..... Zen1 and Zen+ were only ok it wasn't till Zen 2 and especially Zen 3 that they really got cooking.


Getting side tracked though personally I would love AMD to make a gpu good enough that I want to buy it but first they need to actually beat my current gpu and the way it's going who knows how long that is going to take.

People need to stop freaking out about the 5090 pricing... $2500 will not happen. I think Nvidia will sell it between $1900 and $2000. $2500 would be a 56% price increase for about the same performance increase, in other words the Gen on Gen value would be inexistent... unless the 5090 was AT LEAST 2x more powerful than the 4090, which will probably not happen unless Blackwell IPC is 50-60%+ vs Lovelace! (Keep dreaming).

The 4090 MSRP only increased by $100 vs 3090 despite a big manufacturing cost increase. TSMC 4N node being much more expensive than Samsung 8nm, 4090 having 56% more CUDA Cores vs 3090 and also having 12x the amount of L2 Cache vs 3090.
Sure the 5090 will have a 512-bit bus and GDDR7 and 33% more CUDA Cores but it's not enough to justify a 50%+ price increase. Also GeForce GPUs are still Gaming GPUs, they're not sold as Quadro or A.I./Datacenter chips.

while I personally think they will actually price it at 2000 usd. It still wouldn't surprise me if the bumped it up to 2200. The same generation you are talking about they bumped the 4080 by 70% vs the 3080 for 50% more performance even with a die almost half the size with the other major difference being 16GB of vram.... So you never know....

 

[Pumper]

I don't blame intel for 8 years of quad cores even though that sucked I blame the competition for allowing it the big difference with Nvidia vs intel though is even if AMD came out with an Amazing product Nvidia would launch something that crushes it or is at least good enough to make it not matter a month or two later. The only real hope for AMD is Nvidia leaving the market if not they will stay in that 1 AMD card for every 9 Nvidia cards ratio and if they are happy with that good for them.

nvidia would not even have to release anything new, they could just cut the prices, which is easy to do, when you are selling at >70% profit margins.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

nvidia would not even have to release anything new, they could just cut the prices, which is easy to do, when you are selling at >70% profit margins.

While true I think gamers think they are more important than the really are and the larger reason for the refresh is the 5090 being sold to AI startups and everything below going to system integrators and keeping their partners happy they still care about the laptop market as well and from leaks sound like they are moving the 5080 more to a production lite type card.

They also need to keep developing newer architectures just in case AI takes a dip they still make like 10-12 billion a year in gaming and rather keep those margins is my guess

keep in mind while RTX cards margins are likely pretty high data center is what is driving those margins sky high right now with them selling their AI cards as fast as they can make them.

 

[Hecate91]

I get both sides though there is a very vocal minority on here that trash everything Nvidia it's mostly amusing to me honestly when the whole reason Nvidia is in the position they are is because of inferior competition that has mostly given up on actually competing with a full stack over the last 8-10 years.

I don't blame intel for 8 years of quad cores even though that sucked I blame the competition for allowing it the big difference with Nvidia vs intel though is even if AMD came out with an Amazing product Nvidia would launch something that crushes it or is at least good enough to make it not matter a month or two later. The only real hope for AMD is Nvidia leaving the market if not they will stay in that 1 AMD card for every 9 Nvidia cards ratio and if they are happy with that good for them.

For me I just hope they get back the to 290X/7970 days and while those cards probably still got dominated by their Nvidia counterparts I bought both because they were good enough vs the competition maybe that is no longer possible in the age of RT and upscaling and maybe that is why AMD fanboys especially hold so much resentment towards both.

Personally I think a mod/staff shouldn't have to be a mod/staff 100% of the time and should be able to join in on the conversation however they want as long as they are not also moderating on the thread. That is just me though.

Only a few people really trash on Nvidia, the rest are just dissatisfied with their BS, I see more people trash on AMD here than those trashing Nvidia. Too many Nvidia fanboys simply don't understand the point of price/performance or just wanting a GPU to play games and not caring about RT or upscaling.
I can blame Intel for 8 years of quad core stagnation, a large reason for Intel getting to that point is cheating on benchmarks, and paying off OEM's to only use Intel, they got too comfortable with a near monopoly and fell hard once AMD caught up.
I don't expect AMD to beat Nvidia on the high end, the GPU market doesn't work like the CPU market does, not when mindshare and marketing works, in addition to Nvidia paying devs to make essentially what are playable tech demos. And the tech media only whined when a game with FSR launched first, yet nothing when a game launches with only DLSS.
AMD probably wasn't too happy selling 1 card for every 9 Nvidia sells, which is why they dropped out of the high end, targeting the low range and mid range with more aggressive pricing should hopefully increase sales.
As for Nvidia leaving the market, I could see it happening on the low end, while pushing low end users to buy geforce now instead.
I disagree with the last part, mods/staff represent TPU as a tech publication and staff shouldn't be forcing their infuence on others or punishing others because they don't fanboy for a certain brand. IMO they either need to be unbiased or don't join the conversation.

It takes consistency for sure Intel still does really well in Laptops and Big box brands like Dell and HP but in the diy market if you could measure that I bet it would be pretty lopsided.



The key is they need to make good stuff consistently..... Zen1 and Zen+ were only ok it wasn't till Zen 2 and especially Zen 3 that they really got cooking.


Getting side tracked though personally I would love AMD to make a gpu good enough that I want to buy it but first they need to actually beat my current gpu and the way it's going who knows how long that is going to take.



while I personally think they will actually price it at 2000 usd. It still wouldn't surprise me if the bumped it up to 2200. The same generation you are talking about they bumped the 4080 by 70% vs the 3080 for 50% more performance even with a die almost half the size with the other major difference being 16GB of vram.... So you never know....

In the DIY market, AMD has been having the top selling CPU's for a while now, only the Intel 12th gen stuff is selling well apparently. But I think Zen 1 was good, compared to the boring 14nm+++++++++ CPU's Intel was still selling, Zen 1 was the turning point when AMD was nearly bankrupt, Zen 2 was much better though.
AMD making a high end gpu which would be within a few percent on Nvidia is something I want to see, because I expect Nvidia buyers would still buy from Nvidia anyway. The 7900XTX is a good example of that, it was as fast as the 4080 yet people still bought the 4080 despite it being a terrible value.

I doubt the leather jacket man is going to be generous since the 5090 is going to have 32GB of VRAM, also because of the xx90 tier being a compute card with a gaming name on it.