Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[AusWolf]

Miners? You mean AI companies?

Gamers aren't interested? The 88% Nvidia now has in gaming market share disagrees.

You aren't wrong about stagnation of their product stack below the high end, but people still buy Nvidia whether begrudgingly or otherwise. They gained marketshare the last 2 years and AMD lost marketshare.

The "gaming" market is a funny one since Nvidia cancelled Quadro and moved everything into GeForce. So technically, every Nvidia card is a gaming card now. Whether it's used for gaming or not doesn't matter.

 

[Krit]

512 bit bus, sure, but everything else was the same as the GTX 275 or 260 (just with slightly more enabled shaders). The price was similar, too.

Thats way old gen gpus where incomparably better the times when marketing crap/bias wasn't working.

GTX 580 512 bit for 649$ was only 13% faster than 448 bit GTX 260 for 449$.

By old standards RTX 5090 512 bit now should cost no more than 1299$ (including inflation factor) and imagine now RTX 5080 448 bit for 895$ and just 13% slower than RTX 590 and etc lower models it's completely different power/pricing in low-mid-high end.

 

[AusWolf]

GTX 580 512 bit for 649$ was only 13% faster than GTX 260 for 449$.

Exactly. The 5090, on the other hand, will be roughly 100% faster than the 5080, judging by specs alone. I can't even imagine how much it will cost.

 

[freeagent]

I can't even imagine how much it will cost.

Think SLi, double for sure, plus a bit more.

 

[Sir Beregond]

The "gaming" market is a funny one since Nvidia cancelled Quadro and moved everything into GeForce. So technically, every Nvidia card is a gaming card now. Whether it's used for gaming or not doesn't matter.

Fair point. Hadn't considered that in the marketshare factor.

Though I do believe that's still GeForce cards vs any of their other lines.

 

[Onasi]

So an "enthusiast" is only someone who wants a halo product? Being enthusiastic about any other PC hardware doesn't count anymore? That's sad.

I'm not commenting on a halo product. I'm commenting on GPUs getting more expensive. They aren't just more expensive, but more excessive as well. The top-end is way out of a casual gamer's needs, like myself.

Besides, "be positive or shut the F up" is not the way I roll. A forum is about sharing thoughts, whether they are for or against a certain object or idea. Tell me if I'm wrong.

I feel that “enthusiast” is anyone truly passionate about a topic. You can buy halo cards or you can be a guy from a low-income country balling on a budget and hunting for deals and both can find common ground to banter about. That is a beautiful thing to me. Or, hell, what about specific form-factor or power envelope lovers who deliberately build cool systems with lowest footprint or power consumption that are still capable? Or those who love hardware, but just don’t NEED the most powerful HW? Not “they can’t afford”, but straight up don’t need one. I feel that PC parts companies who took the term “enthusiast” and redefined it to mean a product tier of “costs the most” are partly to blame for the misunderstanding. Honestly, as long as everyone just gets along and there is no pathetic shaming from either side of the argument all is fine. Nobody is impressed by ones spending habits and nobody likes it when someone is called a “brainless consumer”. Counting other peoples money is in poor taste.

 

[igormp]

The "gaming" market is a funny one since Nvidia cancelled Quadro and moved everything into GeForce. So technically, every Nvidia card is a gaming card now. Whether it's used for gaming or not doesn't matter.

They killed the "Quadro" and "tesla" moniker, but the enterprise products are not under the GeForce brand, rather they lack and branding whatsoever, like the RTX 6000. Really confusing and ambiguous naming.

 

[AusWolf]

Or those who love hardware, but just don’t NEED the most powerful HW? Not “they can’t afford”, but straight up don’t need one.

That's me basically. I'm happy on mid-range hardware, yet, I know a lot more about PC building and gaming tech than many who buy 4090-range cards and top CPUs.

The term "enthusiast" describing a product class only exists to sell expensive things to people who don't need them. To make them feel like they got something extra even though they'll never use it properly.

 

[freeagent]

I spent my life in midrange, that is why I like to overclock everything lol..

 

[Hecate91]

This should be the cost of RTX 5000 series with accordance with 2 decades of previous pricing from Nvidia themselves, taking into account inflation as well.

RTX 5090 $1200 (a Titan type product that can have a price premium for being the absolute best)
RTX 5080 $800 (considering there is no TI product this and last generation, this is the absolute best for normal consumers, meaning people who still have to work 8 hours a day, 6 days a week to be able to afford stuff. This leaves Nvidia with at least 10% profits over what it costs to bring and sell to market)
RTX 5070ti $600 (likely to sit closer to the 5080 than the 5070, its a bridge between the two cards and historically $600 is not an insane price for this tier)
RTX 5070 $450 (considering its got only 12gb of vram this is a very weak card, 12gb can already be used up in several games at highest settings and only 1440p resolutions, historically the 70 series has not been more than the $400-490 price range)
RTX 5060TI $300 (forget the little TI bit, this is essentially the true 5060, we get a TI only so it can be sold at a premium, so in essence its the real 5060 and should not sell for more than $300)
RTX 5060 $230 (in all intents and purposes this is a x050 series card, it will come with a measly 8GB of vram and 128bit bus interface, which is way too low for 2025)
RTX 5050 $130 (in all reality this is a GT 730 type card, GT 1030 type card, so its barebones entry level, it should not cost a penny over $150, should probably go for $120)

I agree with the pricing you listed there, though the xx50 seems to be dead, xx60 is bottom of the barrel, with nvidia stagnating on the low end, xx60 cards need to have 12GB VRAM.
Though I don't see pricing changing from what it is because people showed they were still willing to pay scalpers as cards sold well over MSRP, and people are still willing for pay for a GPU then criticize anyone not happy with the pricing.

There is a fine line between enthusiast and stupid.

Exactly, and the line only keeps getting thinner as the gap between high end and the flagship gets further apart.

Negativity is being spewed because the current situation is dire, on many fronts... of course someone will piss over the sunshine. And it gets tiring, yes. But reality is a b*tch.

There are very few positives to be said about the current GPU market, you've even underlined this yourself, having to buy several tiers below what you would have wanted over the years. I feel very little need nor motivation to sprinkle positives here to be honest. And when you enter a topic called 'next gen GPUs will be even more expensive' .... yeah.

Perhaps in forum land the solution is to underline the requirement to make clear and descriptive opening posts and topic titles, so you can more deliberately swing the ban hammer if people rain on a positively intended parade. (or whatever parade with a certain intent)

Agreed, the current GPU market is in shambles, team green has a near monopoly, team red left the high end, and well Intel is trying but they have to gain some marketshare first.
People are rightfully upset and of course many are going to complain as the hobby becomes unaffordable. Although if some want to enforce only positivity, then I don't see that going over well. And only blaming one side or "team" shows a clear bias for the other "team" so I would suggest people with that thinking maybe try to be more neutral.

 

[freeagent]

I got into R/C for a few years the last time I took a break from PC.

It was a lot of fun, I still got to tinker and spend crazy money..

Like standing in a parking lot shredding hundred dolla bills.

Any hobby can be expensive, it really just depends on how far you want to take it.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Bus width isn't everything. You cannot judge a card's overall speed based on memory bus width alone.

Correct. However, with a 256-bit bus you can add 16 or 32GB of VRAM, while on a 320-bit bus you can add 10, 20 or 40GB of VRAM. While 32 and 40GB of VRAM is definitely the future, especially for 8K gaming, right now I am happy with something that can be future proof for at least next 4 to 5 years: 20GB. I keep the 384-bit bus card out of it, since this will be out of my budget.
16GB is perfect for now, but since the cards are getting ridiculously expensive, I definitely don't want to buy a new card next year, or next-next, just because I run out of VRAM in future games.

 

[eidairaman1]

I got into R/C for a few years the last time I took a break from PC.

It was a lot of fun, I still got to tinker and spend crazy money..

Like standing in a parking lot shredding hundred dolla bills.

Any hobby can be expensive, it really just depends on how far you want to take it.

Don't get into scale planes/jets, they break like pax planes

 

[Prima.Vera]

People get sour. People whine and complain.

Offcourse. This is what normal people do when it about their OWN HARD EARNED MONEY!!
For more than 50% of this world, a 1600$ card, without taxes, it more than their hard earn monthly salary. a couple of years ago an 800$ card was the top dog. Now it's the under-dog, a low-level gaming card.
Ofcourse people get sour. We are not mindless drones or brainless zombies to accept everything ....

 

[freeagent]

Don't get into scale planes/jets, they break like pax planes

Same with helicopters lol.. my buddy had one before it broke into many pieces when something glitched

 

[eidairaman1]

Offcourse. This is what normal people do when it about their OWN HARD EARNED MONEY!!
For more than 50% of this world, a 1600$ card, without taxes, it more than their hard earn monthly salary. a couple of years ago an 800$ card was the top dog. Now it's the under-dog, a low-level gaming card.
Ofcourse people get sour. We are not mindless drones or brainless zombies to accept everything ....

My rent is $74 shy of $1600.

 

[Prima.Vera]

The "gaming" market is a funny one since Nvidia cancelled Quadro and moved everything into GeForce. So technically, every Nvidia card is a gaming card now. Whether it's used for gaming or not doesn't matter.

Actual Quadro is now RTX A series. They have way better specs than the normal gaming RTX but ridiculous prices too.

NVIDIA RTX in Professional Workstations

The world’s most powerful GPUs for visualization.

www.nvidia.com

 

[freeagent]

And that is the problem. Different regions are comparing their prices to US prices. There are other costs involved with each region. I live 3 hours from the states, but I pay way more than they do.

 

[Hankieroseman]

RTX 5090 will show something different against RTX 5080 gap is to wide this time.

It supports Display Port 2.1. Something my 57 inch Samsung Neo could use @7860x2160 & 240Hz

 

[sn2x]

Just sold my 4070, should cover most of the cost of my next upgrade. Its nice how Nvidia cards tend to hold their value.

As long as perf/$ improves by a decent amount in one of the $500-$800 tiers, I'll be happy.

a couple of years ago an 800$ card was the top dog. Now it's the under-dog, a low-level gaming card.

$800 is low-level gaming now?

AMD most likely won't even have a card that competes with what Nvidia will charge $800 for this generation...

Would be nice if AMD was competing at that level...

 

[Hecate91]

Offcourse. This is what normal people do when it about their OWN HARD EARNED MONEY!!
For more than 50% of this world, a 1600$ card, without taxes, it more than their hard earn monthly salary. a couple of years ago an 800$ card was the top dog. Now it's the under-dog, a low-level gaming card.
Ofcourse people get sour. We are not mindless drones or brainless zombies to accept everything ....

Exactly, when the top end card was $800 it was still a lot, but something most people could save up for. The "more you buy more you save" was just a silly joke then, now its a laugh in the face of everyone who can't afford to use $100's as toilet paper.

$800 is low-level gaming now?

AMD most likely won't even have a card that competes with what Nvidia will charge $800 for this generation...

Why can't AMD reach this tier this gen?

I wouldn't necessarily call it low level, but $800 for nvidia is mid range which is disappointing enough, and price to performance just doesn't scale up well because Nvidia wants to sell features most gamers don't even care about.
Although if AMD can compete with the xx70Ti tier and sell it for $450-550 it might sell well.

 

[sn2x]

Although if AMD can compete with the xx70Ti tier and sell it for $450-550 it might sell enough.

If 9070 XT competes with 5070 Ti, Nvidia would just price 5070 Ti $100 higher than 9070 XT, and still outsell it 10:1.

 

[Sound_Card]

My POV is that it's not ''team red'' crying about Nvidia prices (they often complain about AMD prices too). Rather; it's 3090/4090 owners being insecure about their purchases to the point of defending why they bought the card in the first place. It's almost as if they spend more time psychologically defending something they run pure analytics on rather than enjoying games. It reminds me of quad SLI justifications. If they truly felt that it was their hobby, I don't think we would see the needless amount of insecurity on various forums from them.

The rebuttals are hilarity:
- "AMD's fault I'm buying a 2k graphics card, if they were competitive, I would not be doing this, hehe"
-"who cares man, they are all multi billion dollar corps, dude, hehe"

There is something going on here that I would and could only best describe as "mass psychosis". Nvidia's speed advantage, and features don't warrant 88% market dominance. If you have tens of thousands of people willing to drop several grand for a graphics card, you can clearly do what ever you want, as everything is permitted by your consumer base. So much so, that they will willingly go during their free time on forums to tell people that they are whining, and they do this for free.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The 5090 isn't a halo product though, IMO. They have replaced the Titans, that is true, but today what with RT and 4K and stuff they're just a fast high-end GPU, which is a different thing than a halo product.

My definition of a halo product is just that it's the fastest version of it. Until they bring back the titan or start making 90ti cards again. Either way the top card will always carry an eye watering price we use to get a more sane priced version of it back in the 10 series days and prior to that but that has been dead since the 2080ti released in 2018.

The only positive is that they will be stronger gen over gen.

The pricing sucks all around, especially here in Canuckistan where our government is currently imploding.

While stronger is always nice it still sucks when you have to pay 1:1 two years later for that benefit or that the cards below a certain price tier are artificially gimped so that even if the core is strong enough they start having deficits in other areas.

4080 is the poster child 50% more performance which is awesome for 70% more money which sucks..... 4060ti the gpu likely most people target was a trash generational uplift sometimes even losing to the 3060ti at launch.

I expect this to become more the norm.

 

[freeagent]

I gotta figure out how to put my kids to work. I would probably be still using my 980 Classified right now if I didnt have to share with my eldest son.. So I got the 3070Ti and the 980 went to him. He never complained, but for what he was trying to do, the card wasnt cutting it. So I got my 4070Ti on a killer sale from Amazon and he got my 3070Ti. Still no complaints but my youngest is not too impressed with the 980 after seeing our rigs..

Just wait buddy, you will buy your kids consoles, and they will be happy.. for awhile. But then they want more..

So really, I have 2 kids, and my inner child to supply for.. I should have made better life choices