Rumour: Zen to have 8-core variants with dedicated overclocking features for enthusiasts

[cdawall]

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK How bad does that 890fx/sb850 MoBo choke performance on that 83xx? Wouldn't it be safe to say that performance would increase on a 990fx or even a 970fx based system?

Nope.

 

[slozomby]

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK How bad does that 890fx/sb850 MoBo choke performance on that 83xx? Wouldn't it be safe to say that performance would increase on a 990fx or even a 970fx based system?

heres an 8350 clocked @ 4.3 with on a 990fx board.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/share-your-cpuz-benchmarks.216765/page-3#post-3358614

here's a 9370 clocked at @5ghz on a 990fx
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/share-your-cpuz-benchmarks.216765/page-4#post-3358842

 

[Frag_Maniac]

It's ok you can stick with intel and it'z no gains for it's next desktop release, or go AMD...

And you can bet if Zen can't quite equal Sky or Kaby, everyone will be saying "Of course it runs better than the Bulldozer turds, it's just a more polished turd". We all know the 40% thing is only because the current ones are so inadequate.

Seriously though, I hope it's as good as AMD is promising, specifically in how it compares to Intel, not Bulldozer. Otherwise AMD will yet again have egg on their face, and Intel will continue to stagnate on performance increase.

The reality though, is with no competition from AMD, Intel really only have to keep up with Nvidia's GPUs, and they've been managing that fine, even with little to no performance increase from one generation to the next.

 

[slozomby]

And you can bet if Zen can't quite equal Sky or Kaby, everyone will be saying "Of course it runs better than the Bulldozer turds, it's just a more polished turd". We all know the 40% thing is only because the current ones are so inadequate.

single core performance gains:
the 9370 I linked above is score 1469 @5ghz
a 40% gain would put it at 2056.
my i7 6700k scored 2229 @ 4.6ghz

so even with 0 ipc improvements and just the additional clocks from sky/kabylake its already well ahead of zen for gaming.

now it might be nice for a low cost multithreaded app machine ( rendering/sql/whatever). however if it costs anything more than $400 for board and chip, you can build a 12+core xeon instead.

maybe a year or 2 down the road 8 cores will be useful for gaming. until then I don't see amd doing much besides cutting into the i5 market.

 

[TheGuruStud]

single core performance gains:
the 9370 I linked above is score 1469 @5ghz
a 40% gain would put it at 2056.
my i7 6700k scored 2229 @ 4.6ghz

so even with 0 ipc improvements and just the additional clocks from sky/kabylake its already well ahead of zen for gaming.

now it might be nice for a low cost multithreaded app machine ( rendering/sql/whatever). however if it costs anything more than $400 for board and chip, you can build a 12+core xeon instead.

maybe a year or 2 down the road 8 cores will be useful for gaming. until then I don't see amd doing much besides cutting into the i5 market.

40% over excavator. Excavator is at least 15% faster than vishera, right? And excavator is 30-35% faster than bulldozer, eh?

If the gain holds true, there's good perf there.

I think clocks will be the deciding factor, especially OC headroom for us.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

single core performance gains:
the 9370 I linked above is score 1469 @5ghz
a 40% gain would put it at 2056.
my i7 6700k scored 2229 @ 4.6ghz

so even with 0 ipc improvements and just the additional clocks from sky/kabylake its already well ahead of zen for gaming.

now it might be nice for a low cost multithreaded app machine ( rendering/sql/whatever). however if it costs anything more than $400 for board and chip, you can build a 12+core xeon instead.

maybe a year or 2 down the road 8 cores will be useful for gaming. until then I don't see amd doing much besides cutting into the i5 market.

It's not 40% better than piledriver though, it's 40% better then excavator and no game benches are out so I'd just enjoy your rig and stop pissing on unimportant to you ,chips ,plus I've heard this no need for 8 cores nonsense the last three years , during which the world moved on phones have 8 cores and useful opengl GPUs and I've played for many hours on games that deffo benefited from 8 cores, and I see you have 8 , biscuits...

 

[slozomby]

It's not 40% better than piledriver though, it's 40% better then excavator and no game benches are out so I'd just enjoy your rig and stop pissing on unimportant to you ,chips ,plus I've heard this no need for 8 cores nonsense the last three years , during which the world moved on phones have 8 cores and useful opengl GPUs and I've played for many hours on games that deffo benefited from 8 cores, and I see you have 8 , biscuits...

I'm curious what games are using all 8 cores at anywhere near 100% utilization.

ht is not 8 real cores. but even still I'm at ~22% utilization playing doom at 4k using Vulcan.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

single core performance gains:
the 9370 I linked above is score 1469 @5ghz
a 40% gain would put it at 2056.
my i7 6700k scored 2229 @ 4.6ghz

so even with 0 ipc improvements and just the additional clocks from sky/kabylake its already well ahead of zen for gaming.

now it might be nice for a low cost multithreaded app machine ( rendering/sql/whatever). however if it costs anything more than $400 for board and chip, you can build a 12+core xeon instead.

maybe a year or 2 down the road 8 cores will be useful for gaming. until then I don't see amd doing much besides cutting into the i5 market.

wow... you know what clocks zen is going to ship with and how it will stack up, awesome man, can you give me the weekends football (not soccer) results and the lottery numbers while you're at it?

 

[alucasa]

The only thing I am 110% certain is that Zen is going to better than current AMD CPUs.

By how much, I have no clue. If AMD claims 40%, realistically it may be more like 20%.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

The only think I am 110% certain is that Zen is going to better than current AMD CPUs.

Just as night will follow day....

 

[alucasa]

Sorry for stating the obvious.

 

[cdawall]

single core performance gains:
the 9370 I linked above is score 1469 @5ghz
a 40% gain would put it at 2056.
my i7 6700k scored 2229 @ 4.6ghz

so even with 0 ipc improvements and just the additional clocks from sky/kabylake its already well ahead of zen for gaming.

now it might be nice for a low cost multithreaded app machine ( rendering/sql/whatever). however if it costs anything more than $400 for board and chip, you can build a 12+core xeon instead.

maybe a year or 2 down the road 8 cores will be useful for gaming. until then I don't see amd doing much besides cutting into the i5 market.

40% puts it about dead even with the 5960X I linked so if it has 8 cores and 16 threads with the same IPC as haswell-e with the same performance as a 5960X for $300 or so you are saying you wouldn't purchase it?

Hold on i'll run it in a second, was checking what it did at 4.9 lol

 

[erocker]

So, uh... When will we see "Zen" CPU's and motherboards for desktops for sale? I tend to avoid any pre-release AMD conversations due to every other pre-AMD release anything that's ever happened since the internet began.

 

[cdawall]

So, uh... When will we see "Zen" CPU's and motherboards for desktops for sale? I tend to avoid any pre-release AMD conversations due to every other pre-AMD release anything that's ever happened since the internet began.

I learned my lesson with bulldozer. Which to be fair they didn't lie about, they just assumed the entire market would change to suit them.

I hope that AMD releases a killer that lets intel release something great in return. That's how competition works, stagnation in technology is so lackluster.

 

[Steevo]

Wow, this thread.

I expect Zen to fall in line with the 40% IPC they claimed at the time, and I forsee it being real, all we have to do is follow the money, both Sony and MS want performance in their peasant boxes, they would have gone Intel in a heartbeat if AMD wasn't coming up with something competitively good. All the ranting raving aside, does anyone here not think Intel could match AMD in price (with the decline in CPU sales, and the huge amount of leftover stock and leaving people little reason to upgrade) and with their huge R&D budget?

I'm a realist here, there is nothing AMD is doing right now that Intel isn't doing better, or will do better, except price and the steep learning curve of GPU tech, but even there they are getting better. How many people are going to whine if AMD releases a stellar performer with a price tag to match? Its not going to happen that way, AMD will release a great performing CPU for the money, vagazzle it up with some vaporware ideas like they always do, and then spend the next six months either finding a reason it isn't the next best thing since sliced bread, or doing the equivalent of double dutch rudder to each other on their win and how great it is at a few benchmarks.

 

[slozomby]

40% puts it about dead even with the 5960X I linked so if it has 8 cores and 16 threads with the same IPC as haswell-e with the same performance as a 5960X for $300 or so you are saying you wouldn't purchase it?

depends on what I'm using it for. if it has can clock high enough to beat my skylake chip in single core on an aio cooler then i'd consider it for sure. but I'm not cpu bound as it is in any game. right now 4 fast cores will feed my gtx 1080 just fine.
it its $300 and I'm using it for multithreading ( VMware/SQL) then I can get a 14C xeon off ebay for the same price. they say they'll be going up to 32cores on this platform which gives me some hope for the enterprise server market. we'll see when they come out.

i'll be happy to be proved wrong. I just don't trust amd to do anything other than put a red logo on the box it comes in. they've overhyped everything they've done recently in the consumer market. that we're comparing the soon to be released zen chips vs a soon to be 4yr old intel design sets the bar kinda low imo. who knows maybe it will kick intel in the pants and force them to something with real ipc gains for the chip after kabylake.

all we have to do is follow the money, both Sony and MS want performance in their peasant boxes, they would have gone Intel in a heartbeat if AMD wasn't coming up with something competitively good.

sony and MS don't really care about performance. they picked the cheapest gpu they could get that would do 4k at 30fps. if you follow the money you'll see the console isn't where it is. its the licensing on games where the money is. so why spend more than you have to on manufacturing the console.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Wow, this thread.

I expect Zen to fall in line with the 40% IPC they claimed at the time, and I forsee it being real, all we have to do is follow the money, both Sony and MS want performance in their peasant boxes, they would have gone Intel in a heartbeat if AMD wasn't coming up with something competitively good. All the ranting raving aside, does anyone here not think Intel could match AMD in price (with the decline in CPU sales, and the huge amount of leftover stock and leaving people little reason to upgrade) and with their huge R&D budget?

I'm a realist here, there is nothing AMD is doing right now that Intel isn't doing better, or will do better, except price and the steep learning curve of GPU tech, but even there they are getting better. How many people are going to whine if AMD releases a stellar performer with a price tag to match? Its not going to happen that way, AMD will release a great performing CPU for the money, vagazzle it up with some vaporware ideas like they always do, and then spend the next six months either finding a reason it isn't the next best thing since sliced bread, or doing the equivalent of double dutch rudder to each other on their win and how great it is at a few benchmarks.

Sounds like you described intel to me. Those bozos are such losers they had to play a video of a racing game while claiming their iGPU was doing it live...and even the video froze LOLOLOLOL. They've wasted more money on Itanic and Larrabee than AMD has ever had.

 

[Steevo]

sony and MS don't really care about performance. they picked the cheapest gpu they could get that would do 4k at 30fps. if you follow the money you'll see the console isn't where it is. its the licensing on games where the money is. so why spend more than you have to on manufacturing the console.

That worked well for the Wii U, lacking performance and being terrible to code for......

Sony and MS call the shots based on feedback from Dev's, who make the games. Nintendo... well they just want to prove something, they aren't sure what, but god dammit they want to.

Sounds like you described intel to me. Those bozos are such losers they had to play a video of a racing game while claiming their iGPU was doing it live...and even the video froze LOLOLOLOL. They've wasted more money on Itanic and Larrabee than AMD has ever had.

Their marketshare is what gets them traction, and all it will take is one right iGPU for them to piss on AMD's parade. And yeah, they can afford to waste that money as their company hasn't been raped and pillaged of its IP and cash by bloodsucking mouth breathers with no tech experience for the past 10 years. Another 2 years of that and AMD would be just like VIA, sinking ATI along with it, and sold off for its patents.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

What would really be nice is an ad campaign. For once I wish AMD would spend just a little money like Intel does and get the namebrand out there to the masses. The part of the enthusiast and gaming community that depends on budget builds will be there; however, my mom doesn't know what AMD is. Most of the people I know thing Intel makes all CPUs for computers.

 

[Vayra86]

What would really be nice is an ad campaign. For once I wish AMD would spend just a little money like Intel does and get the namebrand out there to the masses. The part of the enthusiast and gaming community that depends on budget builds will be there; however, my mom doesn't know what AMD is. Most of the people I know thing Intel makes all CPUs for computers.

This. AMD needs to get a brand image out instead of just feeding the rumour mill, because every SINGLE TIME the rumour mill overestimates AMD and they end up looking like shit. They can't control that, and they need to start controlling what reaches the media.

And the media they do get, consists of a bunch of Youtube vids, some powerpoint slides, and shabby looking conferences and talks from people with zero charisma. It just doesn't instill faith, and it hurts the products they launch.