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is it even legal for YT to enforce the end user to disable the adblocker while they are offering a free service???
and are there ways around it?
i just had a popup saying after 3 videos they wil disable the video player...

and moost of the adds are not even in my intrest.....
 
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and moost of the adds are not even in my intrest.....

There's a google setting somewhere that results in showing you relevant ads if you prefer...
 
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Lol and yet the corporate welfare is constantly being doled out by the Federal government. It's a two way street my friend.
Yeah - that's a whole different issue. I really don't have a problem bailing those companies out if they really are "too big to fail". My problems is them paying outrageous bonuses to the execs who were in charge when they were in jeopardy of failing, and I have a problem with those companies not paying us (taxpayers) back after they recovered.

We also have to remember that, at least in some cases, bailing companies out keeps their employees employed. Employed workers buy products and pay taxes, and are not getting welfare. So in some cases, bailing those companies out is a worthwhile investment - at least for the common taxpayer.

I will also point out that while there are still many companies who have yet to fully pay back their bailout money, all in all, the taxpayer has, as of Aug 2020, come out $109 billion ahead due to interest paid on those loans that were paid back. (source)

But, that's for another discussion.
 

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meh, like I said, none of it matters anyway. we all gonna be hungry as fuck in about ten years when the collapse comes, lmao
 
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Even when I was homeless living out of my van I still had youtube premium, and one of those $10 planet fitness memberships to shower every day :p
 

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Since I needed a music service after Spotify raised prices I decided to pay for Youtube Premium. I get adfree Youtube (before too with uBlock Origin, adblocker) but now I can get adfree on phone too and music ontop of it. I think I pay 11,90e a month. Finally I can watch Youtube on phone embedded while I do other shit with phone. Youtube with closed screen in also possible.
 
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Since I needed a music service after spotify raised prices

It went from 9,99 to 10,99 EUR here, personally I use Spotify more than youtube, also the audio quality is much better...
 
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Ah yes, a for-profit business which consistently tops the world's most expensive, bandwidth-hungry websites and pays not only its creators but also the music and movie industries out of pocket for all of the pirated stuff everyone uploaded onto its platform for decades at this point had the gall to start a crackdown on rampant ad blocking and custom clients, they are certainly worthy of the "money hungry bastards" title when they somehow operated for 17 years the way they did.

YouTube made 17.9 billion profits in 2021 so they are definitely profitable. As it turns out having a search and video monopoly both makes you a lot of money and enables you to have massive control over the market. Google has already been sued many times for prioritizing it's services over others in it's search engine and it routinely introduces new search plugins that replace the services offered by other websites. the built-in weather app and travel info plugins are good examples. Even if YouTube wasn't directly profitable, the value of the data they use to further their own goals is more than worth it for google.

The argument that they are paying out any significant amount in IP infringement claims in nonsense. Section 230 of the communications decency act provides broad immunity to platforms that make a good faith effort in removing user uploaded content once they are aware it's infringing. If you look at a history of youtube copyright claims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_copyright_issues), you can clearly see for the vast majority of lawsuites YouTube itself isn't the entity being sued but individual creators on the platform. YouTube has been extremely accommodating to IP holders to avoid any potential lawsuits, because even if they are likely to win they want to avoid lawyer fees.

I won't get into politics but it is not a business's responsibility to make products more affordable based on what you perceive to be a limitation of any given individual. This is a big No. YouTube is a business and a for-profit venture, so the only thing that they must do is offer their users enough value. Do you think supporting the creators on the platform, getting access to their music streaming platform and getting rid of the ads gives you the monthly fee in value? If so, then subscribe to it. Otherwise, nothing really changes.

They already offer regional pricing, adjusted to the local economic realities, that is enough.

Which is precicely why it's such a problem to have a company that has a monopoly over three of the biggest services provided over the internet (seach, ads, video) to command such leverage over the market. They are not there to provide value to customers, they are there to further Google's profits and hinder competitors. Given that the government provides the legal frame-work for google to exist in the first place and that they protect google IP, either Google should be broken up for the good of the market or forced to agree to binding terms and independent monitors. A lot of capitalists seem to forget that society is the one that provides the means for companies to exist and that wanton capitalism isn't justified simply because it's a for profit company. Markets should be open and free and companies preventing that should be punished. Striving towards a free market includes preventing any single market player from controlling the market. It's inarguable that if government control results in more competition or better outcomes for a given market, that is freer that a monopoly running rampant.
 
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YouTube made 17.9 billion profits in 2021 so they are definitely profitable. As it turns out having a search and video monopoly both makes you a lot of money and enables you to have massive control over the market. Google has already been sued many times for prioritizing it's services over others in it's search engine and it routinely introduces new search plugins that replace the services offered by other websites. the built-in weather app and travel info plugins are good examples. Even if YouTube wasn't directly profitable, the value of the data they use to further their own goals is more than worth it for google.

The argument that they are paying out any significant amount in IP infringement claims in nonsense. Section 230 of the communications decency act provides broad immunity to platforms that make a good faith effort in removing user uploaded content once they are aware it's infringing. If you look at a history of youtube copyright claims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_copyright_issues), you can clearly see for the vast majority of lawsuites YouTube itself isn't the entity being sued but individual creators on the platform. YouTube has been extremely accommodating to IP holders to avoid any potential lawsuits, because even if they are likely to win they want to avoid lawyer fees.

Which is precicely why it's such a problem to have a company that has a monopoly over three of the biggest services provided over the internet (seach, ads, video) to command such leverage over the market. They are not there to provide value to customers, they are there to further Google's profits and hinder competitors. Given that the government provides the legal frame-work for google to exist in the first place and that they protect google IP, either Google should be broken up for the good of the market or forced to agree to binding terms and independent monitors. A lot of capitalists seem to forget that society is the one that provides the means for companies to exist and that wanton capitalism isn't justified simply because it's a for profit company. Markets should be open and free and companies preventing that should be punished. Striving towards a free market includes preventing any single market player from controlling the market. It's inarguable that if government control results in more competition or better outcomes for a given market, that is freer that a monopoly running rampant.

If they do not provide value to customers, customers either ignore their business or take it elsewhere. Value is relative and not always monetary in nature, as with entertainment it's often gauged by "enjoyment" that the individual takes from using the service. Google is big, but I do not hold it against them for being big. They've gotten there because people like their services, and have always found them to be reliable. That in turn generates them a healthy business. People don't say "I'm going to search for something online", they say "I'm googling it", because Google is the gold standard of search engines. Just as YouTube have become the gold standard of online video self-publishing.

For many years, YouTube had competitors such as Dailymotion, vimeo, Vine, Coub or BitChute (the latter of which became extremely controversial due to their refusal to kick politically incorrect content off their platform), none of these ever really captured much market share or became niche websites, and only now it faces serious competition from TikTok - to which YouTube responded by introducing their Shorts feature. It's a service who prevailed over all others of their kind, just like Facebook (orkut and myspace), Instagram (flickr), WhatsApp (Telegram, Line and Signal), Reddit (the entire fediverse), X/Twitter (tumblr, digg, etc.), Discord (Xfire), Twitch (livestream classic, or that one service from Microsoft that I don't even remember the name anymore lol, I think it was Mixer? flopped hard) etc. - some of them may not even be the most successful or the apps with the richest feature sets, but they are the services - and i mean services, not brands, you'll notice that X proves this once and for all - that stay with the people over time, and many of them have entirely supplanted and driven their competitors either into relative irrelevance or out of the market (refer to the alternatives I have mentioned in the parentheses), or in X's case, may not even have the highest number of active users but definitely the highest reach of them all.

As for the whole morality of data management and gathering and whatnot, it's not the subject, but no doubt that while most of us would like to retain greater control over our own digital identity, the only way to truly disappear from the online world is to unplug your computer from the Internet and be completely off-grid. You especially do not use any of Google's services if you have a genuine concern with being profiled and tracked online.

I am a capitalist. I believe in free market capitalism. I also acknowledge that if you aren't paying for something, you are the product somehow or some way. But I do not think we've quite reached the point where we can tell corporations that they should be obliged to practice different prices to different people just because they have a misfortune or another. That is definitely not "free".
 
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Adblock for Youtube extension for Chrome, works great. No interruptions what so ever. If Google plans on removing ad blockers, there are certaintly other browsers out there for me. On the other note, ads I see on the TV since there's no adblock for webOS actually have opposite effect on me. I'm so enraged with ads on YT that I choose NOT to buy the product/service advertised. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against non-intrusive ads, I have adblockers disabled on TPU and similar sites.
 
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You're not required to watch YouTube. YouTube is a service run by Google. It requires a lot of resources to transcode users' videos, to store them safely, to make them available as quickly as possible. Google will provide this service for free to end users, as much as possible, but at the end of the day somebody has to foot the bill. If you don't like advertisers footing the bill, then I guess it must be you.
Depending on where you live, the ads are shown several times through a video and some of those ads can be inappropriate. Additionally, ads on YouTube are targeted based on viewing selections and other data used to track a user, which can be and frequently is a security problem. Blocking ads works by also blocking the tracking data. This is very much more fine grained than you might suppose.

^^^This^^^ It is ironically amazing, in a pathetic sort of way, how some, who clearly are NOT destitute, living on the streets and rummaging through trash bins for half-eaten sandwiches, or sleeping under bridges to get out of the weather, using cardboard boxes for a blanket, whine, cry and complain that they can't have something for free - as though they are entitled to it - at others expense. And then when they don't get their free hand-outs, they accuse the others of being greedy, money-hungry bastards. Really sad.
Get off your high horse and use your loaf. IF YouTube didn't engage in user tracking schemes AND show ads that are at times HIGHLY objectionable, then ads would be little more than an annoyance. But they do and it's a potential security risk, one many people know about. So they deserve to get blocked. When YouTube pulls their heads from the sand(and their bum) and learns to show ads that are just blanket ads shown to all users of a region(like TV channels do) routed through the YouTube servers(which wouldn't be blockable), then this problem will go away for them. You and people like you are blaming the user when the problem is YouTube.

luckily i only had to disable enhanced youtube in chrome
Use FireFox, UBlock Origin and YouTube Enhancer. You will have no issues. OR, as other people have said, pay for YouTube Premium like a lot of people do, myself included. I actually do all of these. I've been paying for YouTube since back when it was called YouTube Red. I use FireFox(best browser for those focused on security), Ublock and YT Enhancer.
 
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Why would I want to pay 50 bucks for shitty popcorn lol?

I just wait till its available to stream, or I buy it.
Right, a projector and screen really aren't that expensive and easy, as long as you have the space.
 
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Hate to say it but im still challenged using chrome, seems like edge works with no adds and no pop up using add blocks
 
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Get off your high horse and use your loaf. IF YouTube didn't engage in user tracking schemes AND show ads that are at times HIGHLY objectionable, then ads would be little more than an annoyance.
Come on Lex. This has nothing to do with the OP's complaint. This is just you, once again, failing to understand or ignoring what the poster said, and instead, you posting to criticize the poster because you don't like them. Grow up!

YouTube's tacking schemes and objectionable ads are totally different subjects from the OP's complaint about YouTube's plan to make users pay a fee to watch video without ads.

My post, IN NO WAY, defended YouTube's tracking schemes or objectionable ads.

So they deserve to get blocked.
NO WHERE in my post did I say, suggest or imply that YouTube's ads should not be blocked. So this is you, again, misrepresenting what others have said. Why? To stroke your own ego?

FTR, my Adguard AdBlocker in Edge just let me watch Dave's Garage just fine. I have not intention of disabling it.

You and people like you are blaming the user when the problem is YouTube.

This is YOU - once again - making false statements!!! Is you self-esteem really that low you have to misrepresent others? I pity you.

The only blame I put anywhere was on those calling companies "money hungry bastards" because the companies (that have bills and employees to pay) would not give their goods or services away for free.

If someone does not like YouTube's pricing policies, don't watch them.
 
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For some reason i can get it to work using edge, i just can't copy settings from edge to chrome or the other way that fix my youtube problem

Do to some settings i can't move to edge as my default browser
 

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seems like firefox adblock is working perfect youtube doest warn me or disable the videos. geus its time to move to firefox again :D
 
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Do to some settings i can't move to edge as my default browser
That's odd. Do you get an error? What if you try to make Firefox your default, does that work? If so, then try changing from Firefox to Edge and see if it works.

seems like firefox adblock is working perfect youtube doest warn me or disable the video
I use Edge and have not been blocked or seen any warnings. But then I don't spend much time on YT. Maybe that factors in somewhere.
 
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That's odd. Do you get an error? What if you try to make Firefox your default, does that work? If so, then try changing from Firefox to Edge and see if it works.
I don't use firefox
 
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I don't use firefox
I know. I was just suggesting try to see if you can change the default to something else besides Edge.
 
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mabyye not, because if i can't use the same add ons and what ever i use, it's hard to change default browe

My outlook mail app in chroms is on all the time but in edge for some reasing has to log on to my mail account everytime, i don't wanna deal with things like that or use 2 browsers
 
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You said you cannot make Edge your default. Why?

I suggested FF in case some corrupt setting was blocking Edge since it is based on Chromium and maybe, if lucky, FF would reset the corrupt setting and then let you set Edge as the default.

Changing the defaults should not change any settings internal to the browser.
 
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i can make edge my default if i want to

I just can't adjust the settings to the same as chromes and therefor dont have the same apps,extensions,settings in edge as i have in chrome
 
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i can make edge my default if i want to

I just can't adjust the settings to the same as chromes and therefor dont have the same apps,extensions,settings in edge as i have in chrome
Thanks for clarifying. Not sure what to tell you. Chrome and Edge, while both based on Chromium are not the same browser, nor should they be. That said, you can use most Chrome extensions in Edge by design, and many of the settings are the same and similar.

There are other Chromium based browsers - you might check them out. See: 15 Best Chromium Browsers 2023 [Ranked & Reviewed] - Alvaro Trigo's Blog
 
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