Monday, September 28th 2020
US Government Could Blacklist Chinese Chipmaker SMIC
The Trump administration has reportedly been considering adding to Chinese chipmaker SMIC (Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation) to the trade blacklist of Chinese companies, restricting the company of doing any business with the United States and/or with any of its affiliates. The original report comes from Reuters and it states that the move came from Pentagon after considering whatever SMIC should be placed on a blacklist. It is so far unclear if other US agencies support the decision, however, it should be public in the near future. The company has received the news on Saturday and it was "in complete shock" about the decision. Shortly after the news broke, SMIC stock has fallen as much as 15% amid the possible blacklist. If SMIC would like to continue working with American suppliers, it would need to seek a difficult-to-obtain license from the government.
Update 28th September: The United States government hasofficially imposed sanctions on the Chinese chipmaker SMIC. The company is now under US sanctions and is placed on a trade blacklist.
Source:
Reuters
Update 28th September: The United States government hasofficially imposed sanctions on the Chinese chipmaker SMIC. The company is now under US sanctions and is placed on a trade blacklist.
82 Comments on US Government Could Blacklist Chinese Chipmaker SMIC
I have no need for them. I would much rather that Japan, Taiwan, India, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and other Asian countries took over from China, or why not move some of it back to North America or Europe?
What is good with China being in charge of so much of what is being manufactured? They've only ended up in this position because it's been cheap to make things there, not because it's better quality or because it's a nice place.
And there's no paranoia, go and learn a bit about what's going on in China, look at how much technology China has stolen or otherwise illegally obtained over the years. Not that long ago, foreign companies that wanted to set up a business in China had to transfer technology rights to the Chinese government, or they were not allowed to operate in China. The foreign entity wasn't allowed to own more than 49% of the company and a lot of businesses lost their entire operation there due to this. It's a nation that is rotten to the core.
That said, I'm no Trump supporter. Nor do I support Putin. But to say that the Chinese tech companies are needed is a lie.
The only way manufacturing comes back to the West is if it's done entirely by robots, and since that doesn't create jobs, it's unlikely to be welcomed and hence supported.
Eastern Asian nations are likely to start taking on some of China's manufacturing capability but China has literally spent decades focusing solely on building up the infrastructure to be the world's production house. Even with massive Western investment, nations such as Vietnam simply aren't going to be able to scale up to those levels; not now, not ever.
India might be able to fill the Chinese gap in terms of size and numbers, and it's probably in the world's best interest for it to do so - but India also has a problem with Muslims, just like China. It's not at internment camp levels yet, but do you really want to have to choose between having your motherboard manufactured by a nation that treats an ethnic minority like prisoners, or by one that treats them slightly less badly?
At this point, all we can really hope is that the nationalists and neoliberals are replaced by saner people who aren't intent on having power for power's sake... before they start the war to end all wars.
You may not like him personally or the way he does things BUT at least he's doing something vs all the rest which have done exactly squat about it up until now. Maybe you don't agree with it and that's fine, even if it doesn't work at least it's a tangible attempt to do so which is more than what's happened up until now, successful or not.
I don't think it's wise mind you. Wars tend to get ugly. Diplomacy often works better. The more China is targeted, the more hostile it becomes.
However if thats really is true Trump is just following up on what Obama did, taking it further.Problem with that is China will become more aggressive over time anyway, history has shown it as fact so whether someone stands up to them or not is a non-issue about it.
With all those little islands they are making to extend their military influence as examples and so on, It's not a matter of them being targeted that will make them more aggressive, more like enboldened to do so by success with their agenda.
The more progress they make the more they'll do like other regimes have done in the past and it's just human nature to push things to see how far one can go.....
Like it was in school and you were the class clown - Always testing the edge of things just to see if you can get away with it or not and you already know the consequenses of failure.
I just find the binary, West is good, China bad mantra , a tad tedious and ill-informed.Japan used Chinese women as rape prisoners in WW2. Go Google it. China was trampled on for centuries.
Edit: FTR, I'd never choose to live in China. Beautiful country spoiled by its government.
In the short term, I think this economic war is bad news, especially to consumers. In the
shortlong term, it forces the West to be less dependent on a single country, which should be beneficial. We all now competition and free markets are good, right.Trump is definitely a moron, but maybe it's better to start this economic war sooner than later.
And FYI a lot of the issues we have right now is pandering to what is perceived as the PC culture, especially with Congress at the helm. Not to mention the issues with Pak sponsored state terrorism ~ yes this is why there's a lot more friction than in the past. It's not like India has been independent for 73 years & the issues with Muslims have mostly crept in only in the past decade or two, yeah BJP has something to do with it so has that BS global WoT & of course everyone's favorite word salad Jihad.
When you're making a point at least know what you're talking about!
Tribalism,. the "US versus THEM" mentality is what ultimately driving all these rage induced discussions.
Independent critical thinking takes effort, most of the time folks would rather be lazy and reduce ourselves to simply binary thinking.
FWIW, Chinese government pulled one the world largest population off poverty. Maybe not so evil for those several generations of people who were struggling on the death line.
China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization
Tell me how does it feel comparing large scale
internmentreeducation caps to whatever else other countries are doing atm :rolleyes:Yes a lot of nations on the planet are no better than others with their systemic faults, including what I'd call is the secular divide over here. Then going on to justify what China is doing at an industrial scale, yup can see the great logic there :wtf:
The shift to new work is something that will be slow and with some moments of acceleration. We saw this with the internet. Its still ongoing. And some jobs are actually flowing back to the real world as well. The trend however is still that we're going to be more people and less 'required' work to be done as time goes on. That will inevitably shift the production power away from China. These statements about moving production... it will happen... but the economy of it is the deciding factor - not politics. We saw this with the COVID crisis and still do - economy first. Everywhere. Notably also in India, where as we speak they suffer the highest count of new infections per day worldwide, and lack testing capacity, and public / crowd control measures. Overcrowded cities, bad hygiene in large parts of the population... but the government can't maintain lockdowns as everything would collapse.
This war to end all wars... I feel you. Something is brewing, events are mounting up everywhere and from all sorts of new angles. Its going to be interesting if we're really willing to spend immense resources to fight over.... resources - a number of which are finite. So far, I see a lot of reluctance, except on a smaller - or proxy - kind of scale. Like the Middle East/Syria and now recently Turkey and Greece, who are showing muscle in the Mediterranean Sea at this time. These are NATO allies.
Does anybody care to discuss the technology of government sponsored espionage and backdoors?
The common thread is the direction in which these wannabe dictators and their parties lean.
Today it's possible to have a world where nobody starves, nobody dies due to inadequate healthcare, nobody has to worry about being kicked out of their home, nobody has to worry about affording heating in winter... but as long as the various factions are able to convince their supporters that it's better to fight than share, we'll never be able to achieve that world.
That's why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars. To start a new society, one free of these sins of greed.
If you seriously believe that then you're even more ignorant than I thought :shadedshu:
This has been brewing for decades even centuries, just that with the growing income inequality & now nCoV it's just gone to an extreme that is hard to ignore!