wolfIll believe it when I see it, apparently every generation ATi release will do this...

Its not about one brand kicking the others ass, its about both of them staying very competitive.

See how much you love ATi *if* they did kick Nvidias ass to bad they went bust, ATi would be frowned upon as the corporate giant. Hec even if they got kicked to a point were current market share is just swapped, Nvidia would become that hugely loved underdog that competes better on price than having the best of the best.

Competition is good, lets hope the price of either companies cards doesn't kick consumers asses up and down the stairs.

there were actually very few times in nvidias history where it was considered the underdog. and i think that history would prevent any future speculation of them as being a hugely loved underdog
dont expect a pushover

e6600there were actually very few times in nvidias history where it was considered the underdog. and i think that history would prevent any future speculation of them as being a hugely loved underdog
dont expect a pushover

I too doubt they will be the 'underdog' really, ATi have a leg up, but they're not gonna sit on ass and let them just rake in profits indefinitely.

a_umpyea i remember seeing leaked pics that looked exactly like that n we all denied it. it looks fine to me, could be better but eh idc i just want it :). though i thought it was going to be 299. I think if they priced it at $349/5870, $279/5850 it'd be perfect. But idc lol i'm getting one as soon as is released :D

it'll be at that price ....... believe me as soon as Nvidia release their cards any may be it'll be more cheaper in few months .......... IMO wait for DX11 games and see .

Bjorn_Of_Icelandsweet. but ima still stickin to my GTX200s.. not unless dx11 rendering method titles are out the same day that card comes out. Otherwise, its a waste of money and effort like them dx10.1 cards.

agree 100%

gumptyCan someone please explain to me why those holes at the end of the card are meant to be intakes.

As I understand it, those fans work by drawing air in from the top and pushing it radially out in all directions (physical barriers can be used to direct that flow). So for me those holes at the end seem more likely to be exhaust than intake - which would also explain the small exhaust out the back.
The problem with this idea though is that the air which vents out these holes into the case is not going to cool much on the board - maybe the power circuits though?

Feel free to correct me on that though.

Are they air intakes/vents? I thought they were actually the 6 pin PCI-E power slots :confused:

SihastruIf those 1600 SPs are in 80 groups of 20, like the 800SPs of 4870/90 were in 80 groups of 10 then my crystal ball says RV870 will only be 25-40% faster then RV770. In highly optimized games could be higher.

The problem is ATI drivers had a hard time loading up all those groups of 10, imagine how difficult it will be with groups of 20. So older/current games will only feel a little tingling sensation and no real performance boost. Whatever.

So one 4870X2 will be better then one 5870. Kinda sad really.

My crystal ball has been known to be wrong, but come tomorrow I will not need it for this particular problem.

If it is base on the HD 4k series, it is more likely its 160 clutsters of 10.

None the less, the 5870 will easily take the HD 4870X2 at similar specs (double from 4870) simply because it is a single GPU and the resources of the card can be better managed, basically no more CF issues.

I guess we will see tomorrow, if it performs worst than the 4870X2 while more expensive, I might just jump on the Green wagon this time.

Tatty_OneAre they air intakes/vents? I thought they were actually the 6 pin PCI-E power slots :confused:

yea where r the power slots and if you see this pic



it doesn't seems to be PCI-E power slots it looks blocked or not opened all way to the fan.

lemonadesodaI agree it looks hideous and like a happy meal toy from the 90s.

BUT, some people like happy meal toys... and some people will like this hideous look.

Dam i wish that was a happy meal toy it save me a fortune lol.

Fck looks i'm more interested in how it performs. Because some thing looks good don't mean it performs good.

And i'm sure manufactures put stickers all over the dam thing anyways.

Tatty_OneAre they air intakes/vents? I thought they were actually the 6 pin PCI-E power slots :confused:

The power connectors are up top it seems.

raptoriyea where r the power slots and if you see this pic

img.techpowerup.org/090909/bta019.jpg

it doesn't seems to be PCI-E power slots it looks blocked or not opened all way to the fan.

Yeah it's kind of weird. I guess it's wait-for-reviews to see exactly how they're meant to work. I still think they're exhaust - just not sure what the air-flow out of them will cool.

I don't like the thing using AMD prefix to call ATI stuff

Originally AMD and ATI were merged ATI is still ATI as was before, but then ATI became AMD subsidary. Well either way , ATI retained every brand name trade mark and logo , so it's ATI Radeon not AMD Radeon (cause nothing is done by AMD other than ownership)

It gets too much distanced away , it can actually lead to forgotting ATI at all cause of associating with AMD.

big card ... big expectations..

i make no comment till i see real benches

Let's hope its performance is as massive :P

greetings from the amd launch event ... first thing they did is hunt me down and ask me nicely to remove those leaked pics ... ah well .. pics are gone, they owe me one now.. you can use google image search or everything else you can think of to find the pics...

W1zzardgreetings from the amd launch event ... first thing they did is hunt me down and ask me nicely to remove those leaked pics ... ah well .. pics are gone, they owe me one now.. you can use google image search or everything else you can think of to find the pics...

awwww. no fun.

explains why you didnt reply to me in MSN, at least :toast:

i really don't understand why AMD is enforcing all this secrecy. Wouldn't it be good idea for performance numbers and pics to be leaked? it'd be more hype would it not? and i'd think the longer that performance numbers are leaked the more people will see them and consider purchasing one of the cards.

ugh i don't get it, publicity i'd think is exactly what ATI would want right now. i guess maybe y they removed the crysis performance numbers from chiphell is that they aren't done refining drivers?

a_umpi really don't understand why AMD is enforcing all this secrecy. Wouldn't it be good idea for performance numbers and pics to be leaked? it'd be more hype would it not? and i'd think the longer that performance numbers are leaked the more people will see them and consider purchasing one of the cards.

ugh i don't get it, publicity i'd think is exactly what ATI would want right now. i guess maybe y they removed the crysis performance numbers from chiphell is that they aren't done refining drivers?

yeah, MS thought the same with vista. see what hype does when it goes bad?

Apparently AMD doesn't want people to judge the card by its looks. Some find it good, some downright fugly. Let it put some numbers - specifications and performance - on the table, and then present the card. It's not very long from now. In fact W1zzard must be flirting with a Cypress now, and it will ask him in for some coffee by evening. So, just a little wait.

Musselsyeah, MS thought the same with vista. see what hype does when it goes bad?

eh, vista fell on its face cause it was just plain horrible at first before all teh hotfixes and whatnot. imo anyways. ugh need benches, hurry n get a card w1z

a_umpeh, vista fell on its face cause it was just plain horrible at first before all teh hotfixes and whatnot. imo anyways. ugh need benches, hurry n get a card w1z

did you use it when it first came out, or are you basing that on all the pre-release leaks about the OS before it went retail?

i was running vista from prior to day 1, just like i am with 7 - and vista was painless, excluding the lack of x64 drivers from some companies.


ATI merely doesnt want a fiasco like that, since they dont have as deep pockets as nvidia or MS to recover from bad publicity (a single article saying that these cards suck cause X game doesnt work, will spread and hurt sales)

gumptyThe power connectors are up top it seems.



Yeah it's kind of weird. I guess it's wait-for-reviews to see exactly how they're meant to work. I still think they're exhaust - just not sure what the air-flow out of them will cool.

I don't think they do anything, I think they are just decoration. From the upside-down shot of the cooler, it seems the fan is completely walled off from them. If not, it is just taking cool air being sucked in from the fan and shooting it right out the back of the card without cooling anything...doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

a_umpi really don't understand why AMD is enforcing all this secrecy. Wouldn't it be good idea for performance numbers and pics to be leaked? it'd be more hype would it not? and i'd think the longer that performance numbers are leaked the more people will see them and consider purchasing one of the cards.

ugh i don't get it, publicity i'd think is exactly what ATI would want right now. i guess maybe y they removed the crysis performance numbers from chiphell is that they aren't done refining drivers?

The secrecy is most likely because they don't want nVidia to get wind of what the card is capable of. The longer they can keep nVidia guessing at what the card can do, the better. Because that means nVidia has to guess at what it is capable of, and guess at what they need their card to do, if they guess too low they end up with a product that is weaker than ATi's.

Though, if you go by history, I have a fear this card will barely managed to outperform the current single GPU nVidia offerings...

mussels.

if you say vista is great.

winxp no bsod for a year.

Vista somewhat all the time, switched to win7 leaked beta.
Voila! gone.
Windows experience was faster even that early.
Game experience, same higher or less not a noticable change

Vista also used up more memory that you can put in a 4dimm pc and not to talk about the extra features that you turned off cause each used like 40% cpu for doing nothing.

Vista behaved worse and worse for every file you added on the harddrive and the longer you used it.

It didnt do a SINGLE thing of what i heard on a 5 hour seminar from microsoft, nor did it work on the same computer they demoed it on with aero, which didnt work when it was RTM, was to weak my ass.

Basicly, nothing they promised was there, nor was it any better than XP.

Don't make promises you are in doubt of holding!
Which is smart.

Which is the most fun:
drive a ferrari 430
Drive a ugly piece of car you dont know got 1000 bhp and it is made perfectly and beats youre expectations.

The last works best cause expectations isnt high cause there havnt been much hype, the longer the hype goes on the higher the expectation.

Imsochobomussels.

if you say vista is great.

winxp no bsod for a year.

Vista somewhat all the time, switched to win7 leaked beta.
Voila! gone.
Windows experience was faster even that early.
Game experience, same higher or less not a noticable change

Vista also used up more memory that you can put in a 4dimm pc and not to talk about the extra features that you turned off cause each used like 40% cpu for doing nothing.

Vista behaved worse and worse for every file you added on the harddrive and the longer you used it.

It didnt do a SINGLE thing of what i heard on a 5 hour seminar from microsoft, nor did it work on the same computer they demoed it on with aero, which didnt work when it was RTM, was to weak my ass.

Basicly, nothing they promised was there, nor was it any better than XP.

Don't make promises you are in doubt of holding!
Which is smart.

Which is the most fun:
drive a ferrari 430
Drive a ugly piece of car you dont know got 1000 bhp and it is made perfectly and beats youre expectations.

The last works best cause expectations isnt high cause there havnt been much hype, the longer the hype goes on the higher the expectation.

Vista has been fixed and works great. I switched from XP and I loved it and still do but Vista is better.

Emperor is pleased with the righteous weapon of heretic burning Brothers from ATI Chapter has made!

EasoEmperor is pleased with the righteous weapon of heretic burning Brothers from ATI Chapter has made!

i do hope this FOR THE EMPEROR card turns out great

pls don't turn this into a xp vs vista thread

xp is best for older pc's with older drivers(older than 2003)

vista is best for newer pc's with drivers are still supported(newer than 2004)

KainXSpls don't turn this into a xp vs vista thread

xp is best for older pc's with older drivers(older than 2003)

vista is best for newer pc's with drivers are still supported(newer than 2004)

i only used it as an example of how bad publicity prior to launch can go bad. i should have realized someone would have to argue it.