Saturday, December 17th 2011

Seagate Take A Leaf Out Of WD's Book, Offer Crummy ONE YEAR Warranties On Some HDD's

Two days ago, we reported on Western Digital's unwelcome warranty cuts. In that article, we said: "It would be surprising if Seagate didn't follow WD's lead on warranties." Well, as sure as water flows downhill and not up, Seagate has now followed suit - and then some. They will now offer miserly one year warranties on most Barracuda and Momentus hard disk drives. Seagate wrote the following letter on 6th December to its authorised distributors explaining this:
Effective December 31, 2011, Seagate will be changing its warranty policy from a 5 year to a 3 year warranty period for Nearline drives, 5 years to 1 year for certain Desktop and Notebook Bare Drives, 5 years to 3 years on Barracuda XT and Momentus XT, and from as much as 5 years to 2 years on Consumer Electronics.
So that's just a fifth of the time on some drives - a shockingly massive drop! Doesn't sound like a company that cares about its customers much then, does it? The new warranty periods will apply from shipments dated 31st December and the details of the new warranty periods are as follows:

  • Constellation 2 and ES.2 drives: 3 years
  • Barracuda and Barracuda Green 3.5-inch drives: 1 year
  • Barracuda XT: 3 years
  • Momentus 2.5-inch (5400 and 7200rpm): 1 year
  • Momentus XT: 3 years
  • SV35 Series - Video Surveillance: 2 years
  • Pipeline HD Mini, Pipeline HD: 2 years
Well, at least mission-critical and retail products are not affected by this change. Yet. Seagate also said that it's standardizing warranties
to be more consistent with those commonly applied throughout the consumer electronics and technology industries. By aligning to current industry standards Seagate can continue to focus its investments on technology innovation and unique product features that drive value for our customers rather than holding long-term reserves for warranty returns.
Now isn't that reassuring? Translated, it appears to say that they want to save their pennies to spend more on research and development of shiny new products, rather than actually support their customers, who keep them in business in the first place. It seems likely that the missing time can be purchased as a "warranty upgrade", much like WD have done. We will update you as details come in.

One does wonder though, if this negative trend is also a sign that mechanical hard disk drives are slowly becoming obsolete and that their overall reliability is dropping? Currently, they only seem to have a few advantages over Flash-based SSD's, such as capacity, low cost and long term reliability as Flash has a finite lifetime of write cycles. These plus points are very significant, but as they are eroded, there will be less and less reason to buy mechanical hard disk drives, so it seems plausible that the two main storage companies would want to reduce warranties and risk a backlash.

Now, we just have to see what Hitachi will do, given that they are still very much in the game and have recently released 4 TB HDD's, ahead of the other two bigger players. What are the odds on them not reducing their warranties?
Source: The Register
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70 Comments on Seagate Take A Leaf Out Of WD's Book, Offer Crummy ONE YEAR Warranties On Some HDD's

#26
Saidrex
...and thats why i buy SAMSUNG hdd's only. I had few Seagate Baracuda series hdd's, 2 died after year - bad sectors and click of death, 1 was already broken when i bought it - very low read\write speed (around 40 Mb\s) and only is 1 working fine :rolleyes:

After that experience I avoid Seagate products at all cost.
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#27
radrok
Lazzer408Maybe they wan't to start selling water damaged drives.
Out of the box watercooling support? :roll:
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#28
Lazzer408
lol Yeh they are "pre-cooled". It's a new feature.
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#29
Smilez
seagates quality over the past 2 years has dropped significantly. I'm seeing way more fails of late. I have 5 seagates fail for every 1 WD. and love when I get the warranty replacement back and it's a "Certified Repaired" POS and not a brand new drive.

The industry needs to find a way to do TRIM on SSD within a RAID before I use them in anything other than notebooks. don't put anything on SSD that you want long term.

I suggest everyone watch this video about SSD

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhihfJHIu0I&context=C3702828ADOEgsToPDskIyVhQrzE4Vb-uC0J-b0XRQ
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#30
lucas4
So this is where the demise of the HDD market into a race between only the big 2 contenders really affects us :(!
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#31
Athlonite
funny how things are made to die these days I still have a perfectly working Seagate 545MB HDD :laugh: that has DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 loaded on it :eek:.... I pull it out every now and then plug it in and fire it up just to see if it still works I also have a couple of Quantum Bigfoots lying around that still go as good as the day I scavenged them :roll:

as to the warranty well who cares the CGA ( Consumer Guarantees Act) here in New Zealand states that things must last a reasonable amount of time and most computer components gain a 5yr reasonable life expectancy so good luck in getting dicked out of a new HDD by Seagate:nutkick:

oh just about forgot to mention I also own an 40MB Western Digital Conor HDD that still goes too
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#33
NC37
TheGuruStudSeagates don't last more than a year anyway. They've been betting on people not returning them and having short memory spans lol
Well this 1TB Seagate here that has been going for 3yrs now sure is lasting. Same with my 250GB and 80GB Seagate, the 250 about 5yrs old and the 80 about 8+.

Course mine aren't running 24/7, or doing heavy tasks all the time. Maybe there is a reason my drives don't fail ;).
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#34
Disruptor4
Completely BonkersALL MY PURCHASES now go to Samsung (while warranties last!)
So your purchases are still going to Seagate then...:laugh:

I have a 40GB WD that's going on 10 years easy now. Still going strong lol!
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#35
Bundy
This is great news! The move by WD has forced Seagate to match. It has little to do with quality.

I hope they start just offering no warranty options soon. Warratees don't come for free and I'd rather cover my own risk options than be forced pay via a hardware manufacturer.
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#36
scoutingwraith
So far i have yet to complain from WD. All of my drives are from them and havent had any of them fail. Hopefully they keep their quality but with this announcement i am getting skeptical.
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#37
Completely Bonkers
Disruptor4So your purchases are still going to Seagate then...:laugh:
Aw snap! Did Samsung sell their HDD business to seagate? Bugger it if true! :wtf:
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#38
suraswami
I hope to see HDD prices go down to close to sane levels and I am ok not to get anymore than 1 year warranty as long as they bring down the price even more.

Say I can get a 1TB HDD for $60 (sane price) with 3 yr warranty or $40 for 1 yr warranty alone. I can top another $20 to buy a new drive just incase if the original dies, chances of getting better drive is more for the same price.
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#40
MilkyWay
qubitDude, I just love your McDonald's Christmas tree chips. Damned awesome. :rockout:
I thought that pic was pretty lulzy too :laugh:
EU law got the Microsoft Xbox 360 warrenty extended to 3 years so im wondering what's the situation on these drives in the EU?
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#41
Fx
"ironically" the news of both WD and Seagate reducing their warranties is back to back

I think their CEOs had a meeting and said you know what? we can save money if we both agree to slash our warranties. so the other replied, ya... good call- fuck em. you down for a couple rounds of golf?
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#42
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Fx"ironically" the news of both WD and Seagate reducing their warranties is back to back

I think their CEOs had a meeting and said you know what? we can save money if we both agree to slash our warranties. so the other replied, ya... good call- fuck em. you down for a couple rounds of golf?
What, they acted as a cartel?! :eek: Never!

Yeah, does make you wonder, doesn't it?
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#43
freaksavior
To infinity ... and beyond!
with my trend on seagate drives, this makes me super happy and a final decision that I will no longer buy seagate.
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#44
djisas
Just a piece of advice, dont buy seagate made in china, they inevitably die!!
I had 2 seagate .11 320GB one died, the other didnt, one was made in china, the other was made in thailand, had a few .11 500GB, the one made in china died the others didnt, last time i went to buy a new hdd, i forgot to tell the clerk to give me a thai disk, when i saw made in china on it, my tough: Im not going to use it on my rig, but i will install on the old one, i know it will die inevitably, it didnt get past windows installation and it smelled burned, went back to the store in less than 4h and got me a samsung f3 not made in china...

I hate everything made in china, i hate china and their dubious quality products!!
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#45
Mega-Japan
I am so glad that I am moving into the SSD market...
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#46
_JP_
:wtf:
Oh, C'mon! :mad: Seriously?!
What's next?
A T.S.A. scan/pat-down before anyone getting the hardware? :shadedshu
I'm not going to buy Hitachis...no way.
You've failed me Seagate. :(
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#47
djisas
I forgot something, i got a new seagate 7200.11 500GB from sending a dead one to rma, i sold it immediately and it died too after an year, the guy told me...
I think it was made in china too, seriously, seagate must have dished serious cash with the 11th generation giving new hdd to everyone, and many TB of data where lost in the process...
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#48
wickerman
After manufacturing plants were flooded, something that could have long standing effects on the reliability of the products produced from those lines...the last thing I wanna hear is the warranty is going to go down instead of up.

In my books hard drives tend to be pretty hit or miss, and I don't hold any real prejudice over one brand vs another, I usually buy based on price, availability and current reviews (to root out potential firmware issues)...but I certainly won't hold items in high regard that have reduced their warranty period. I used to buy tons of seagate drives but once they dropped their industry leading warranty I had no reason to choose them. 1 year warranty is pathetic, you're talking about a mechanical drive that could have flaws that only come to life after a year, thats just the nature of mechanical components wearing out over time. Don't get me wrong, I've got a number of drives I bought refurbished that still run fine, dozens of OEM drives, or drives that I've had replaced under warranty (usually get a refurb back) and they have a track record just as good as the ones i buy retail boxed. But I get the message that they are cutting costs and producing an inferior product when they cut the warranty from 3 or 5 years down to just 1. It's bad for your image, and it's bad for my faith in your products.

One year is unacceptable on a mechanical drive and I will make it a point to avoid them as I'm sure many of you will as well.
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#49
azizan
Huge demand after Flood.

After huge demand of harddisk (shortage supply). They decided to make the new product line produce from those floods state . They wont care about the QC , coz the demand is too huge to bear. More parts will be ordered from China factory. So instead of giving you all high warranty , they reduce it to 1 year coz they know the new partner batch of parts will be problem soon or later.

my 2 cents
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#50
mediasorcerer
Never liked seagate drives, always went with wd, mostly no probs so far.

Not a very confidence inspiring move on sg,s behalf is it.
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