Wednesday, October 3rd 2012

NVIDIA Forces EVGA to Pull EVBot Support from GTX 680 Classified

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According to an Overclockers.com report, NVIDIA forced EVGA to remove voltage control, more specifically, support for its EVBot accessory, on its GeForce GTX 680 Classified graphics card. EVBot, apart from realtime monitoring, gives users the ability to fine-tune voltages, a feature NVIDIA doesn't want users access to. This design change was communicated by EVGA's Jacob Freeman, in response to a forum question a users who found his new GTX 680 Classified card to lack the EVBot header.

"Unfortunately newer 680 Classified cards will not come with the EVBot feature. If any questions or concerns please contact us directly so we can offer a solution," said Freeman. Hinting that NVIDIA is behind the design change, he said "Unfortunately we are not permitted to include this feature any longer," later adding "It was removed in order to 100% comply with NVIDIA guidelines for selling GeForce GTX products, no voltage control is allowed, even via external device." To make matters worse, Freeman said that EVGA has no immediate plans to cut prices of the GTX 680 Classified.
Source: Overclockers.com

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99 Comments on NVIDIA Forces EVGA to Pull EVBot Support from GTX 680 Classified

#51
cadaveca
My name is Dave
Easy Rhinoi don't even think it has to do with common sense. these people just consume. they constantly consume and judge other people's work without contributing anything themselves.
Meh. I grew up i na church, so this applies:


Judge not lest ye be judged.


Which isn't as wholesome as most think..it's telling you to turn a blind eye, rather than to not judge.


:laugh:



Someone needs to tell people "NO!", clearly, or else things like the economy wouldn't be as bad as they are. People should be MORE critical.


Personally, I think nVidia is doing the right thing here. It might not be evident why, immediately, but i think they have a plan.

I jsut hope they follow through on it.
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#52
ironwolf
MabanQuick, somebody post a lolwut meme!
I concur!

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#53
brandonwh64
Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
Maybe like dave said, it has come a time were OCing is mainstream cause people wanted it to be and Nvidia is just trying to save the customer and factory time and headaches with people that "Think" they can OC anything when in turn the just burn the card to the ground.

If you need that much voltage to OC a card then learn some entry level electronic engineering and build a Vmod like it was done in the old days.
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#54
radrok
I personally think that Nvidia did the right thing by locking voltage on reference boards because the VR circuitry is meant to operate more or less at stock and an excessive stress could be fatal.

On the other hand I do not agree with their choice to impose a lock on partners custom boards which are engineered to withstand higher voltages.

To solve this issue AIB should use a bios switch on custom boards which should only be accessible after removing something like a smartly positioned sticker which can't be reapplied without noticing.
You switch that bios? Well you can have your unlocked voltage at the cost of your entire warranty period.
You want to keep your warranty? Buy reference or do not touch that sticker protected switch.

There you have your solution.
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#55
TheMailMan78
Big Member
brandonwh64Maybe like dave said, it has come a time were OCing is mainstream cause people wanted it to be and Nvidia is just trying to save the customer and factory time and headaches with people that "Think" they can OC anything when in turn the just burn the card to the ground.

If you need that much voltage to OC a card then learn some entry level electronic engineering and build a Vmod like it was done in the old days.
I can also see where OC would be a lot of fun in the older days when the gains were so noticeable. Today with all the ports and the hardware so far ahead of the software I don't see a point in OC anymore. But I can appreciate people will still wanna do it. I think a true overclocker today doesn't use "autotune" software or push button OC. They still do it old school via bios tweaks and hard volt mods.

Hell I remember trying to do the pencil mod when I first started......then I realized I didn't know WTF I was doing and stopped. I think NVIDIA and the like are just protecting themselves from guys like me that don't come to the realization that "I dunno WTF I am doing" BEFORE they blow the hardware and have to RMA it.
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#56
erocker
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There's still 3rd party support for overvolting your Nvidia cards that isn't dictated by Nvidia. However, the 680 Classified is a product that is aimed towards overclocking/overvolting and is not a reference design so I have no idea why Nvidia stepped in.
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#57
TheMailMan78
Big Member
erockerso I have no idea why Nvidia stepped in.
Just to troll you I think.
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#58
cadaveca
My name is Dave
erockeris not a reference design so I have no idea why Nvidia stepped in
Maybe they want to release their own reference OC platform?


I mean, after all, everybody's doing it...
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#59
erocker
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TheMailMan78Just to troll you I think.
Just the answer I'm looking for. Thanks. :rolleyes:

You're wrong though as I don't really care and it doesn't affect me.
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#60
radrok
erockerThere's still 3rd party support for overvolting your Nvidia cards that isn't dictated by Nvidia. However, the 680 Classified is a product that is aimed towards overclocking/overvolting and is not a reference design so I have no idea why Nvidia stepped in.
Kepler is a clocking monster I would not be surprised that in betwen Nvidias reasons to lock voltages there is a "performance gain" one to be avoided.
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#61
erocker
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radrokKepler is a clocking monster I would not be surprised that in betwen Nvidias reasons to lock voltages there is a "performance gain" one to be avoided.
I can agree, however these cards were advertised to do these things. People who bought these cards with this feature in mind have now been stolen from. Regardless, as I said there's still 3rd party software to do it. So really, it isn't an issue.
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#62
brandonwh64
Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
erockerJust the answer I'm looking for. Thanks. :rolleyes:
I seriously just spit sweet tea all over my work screen.

My theory is that the number of RMA's on this card have jump quite high and Nvidia stepped in to intervene?
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#63
TheMailMan78
Big Member
erockerJust the answer I'm looking for. Thanks. :rolleyes:

You're wrong though as I don't really care and it doesn't affect me.
Always here to help troll. :toast: *edited by erocker
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#64
erocker
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brandonwh64I seriously just spit sweet tea all over my work screen.

My theory is that the number of RMA's on this card have jump quite high and Nvidia stepped in to intervene?
Maybe, but it still really isn't right.

Example:

Here, buy this item. (It has feature x, feature y, feature z)

It sounds good, you buy the item.

After purchase they take away "feature z"

Did you get what you paid for?
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#65
brandonwh64
Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
erockerMaybe, but it still really isn't right.

Example:

Here, buy this item. (feature x, feature y, feature z)

It sounds good, you buy the item.

After purchase they take away "feature z"

Did you get what you paid for?
Yea I hear ya, If I paid that amount of money to do what I wanted to do with it (within its limits) and they took a feature that was a selling point away, I would be sending the card back for a full refund.
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#66
EarthDog
Two other vendors we work with (Im an editor at overclockers.com, FYI) also had trouble with Nvidia blessing more voltage and increased power limits (Top end 680 from one AIB, and a 660 from another).
erockerThere's still 3rd party support for overvolting your Nvidia cards that isn't dictated by Nvidia.
Yes and no...

They are all still limited to 1.175v or 1.21v with a modded bios. The point is going PAST what other cards can do since they all hit 1.175v.
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#67
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
if somebody has this evga card, can't they just use another party's voltage tool to overclock? also, can't we just ask w1zzard to solve this issue for us?
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#69
brandonwh64
Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
Easy Rhinoif somebody has this evga card, can't they just use another party's voltage tool to overclock? also, can't we just ask w1zzard to solve this issue for us?
I don't think wizzard would risk some of his ties with nvidia to make a tool that would allow you to go over that said voltage.

Just thinking out loud here.
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#70
TheMailMan78
Big Member
brandonwh64I don't think wizzard would risk some of his ties with nvidia to make a tool that would allow you to go over that said voltage.

Just thinking out loud here.
I would stop thinking out loud if I were you. It hurts peoples ears. :laugh:

Doesnt Trixx do this already?
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#71
brandonwh64
Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
TheMailMan78I would stop thinking out loud if I were you. It hurts peoples ears. :laugh:

Doesnt Trixx do this already?
No it only goes to 1.175V or if lucky 1.2V
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#72
PatoRodrigues
Want some easy overvoltage and take some risks?

Buy the MSI GTX670 Power Edition. haha.... 9.3 volts of FUN. :eek:



Just kidding. A bizarre error from MSI (or Richtek) though.
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#73
TheMailMan78
Big Member
brandonwh64No it only goes to 1.175V or if lucky 1.2V
Ah ok.....nevermind then (scurries off to a corner)
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#74
sneekypeet
Retired Super Moderator
EarthDogTechnically you can add the part yourself... and use the evbot.

www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/87230-3/A26593-ND/353085


(Thanks to Bobnova at ocf for that link/information)
This is what I was thinking since they left the placement (at least in the image). So EVGA didn't lock out the EVbots functionality, they just removed the link for connectivity?
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#75
EarthDog
Not sure... its wired for it, and the evbot works on its own not off the card (has its own FW, not associated with the GPU - you update FW on the evbot via the motherboard, not the GPU).

I would GUESS, yes.
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