Shame it's 1920 x 1080 and TN.

Lame.

I have a sneaky feeling, this is one of those Benq's gaming monitors that Philips has rebadged.

tiggerShame it's 1920 x 1080 and TN.

:|.. Nothing wrong with 1920x1080 even more so to a gamer.. However that TN shit needs to go but still then i would not buy a Phillips product.

AsRock:|.. Nothing wrong with 1920x1080 even more so to a gamer.. However that TN shit needs to go but still then i would not buy a Phillips product.

personally I don't like 16:9, I prefer 16:10 hence I'm not a fan of 1920x1080. Imo it's just the film industry that pushed the resolution, and why most monitors have it.

Without the price tag its hard to consider price/performance. But since Philips is usually on the some what budget-minded side- I would say (from my experience), this sounds as an affordable 144mhz monitor, and as such I say: SWEEET :)

16:9 + 170° viewing angles = too much fail all at once

haswrong16:9 + 170° viewing angles = too much fail all at once

You are quite hard to please, aren't you?

I personally think 170 degrees is wonderful for a gaming monitor: harder for people to peek your screen during lan parties.

tiggerpersonally I don't like 16:9, I prefer 16:10 hence I'm not a fan of 1920x1080. Imo it's just the film industry that pushed the resolution, and why most monitors have it.

Yeah not going to cry about that lol.

FourstaffYou are quite hard to please, aren't you?

I personally think 170 degrees is wonderful for a gaming monitor: harder for people to peek your screen during lan parties.

Maybe he falls of his chair a lot..

How ever i can look down the side of my TV and thee gloss on the screen will stop you from reading the screen before it gets darker.

Not 2560x1440 or 2560x1600, TN = Not gonna buy it.

We need cheaper 2560xNNNN panels already.

Proud of my Dutch company! All my panels - computers and TVs - are Philips (and my expresso machine :) and never had no problems. The specs are what they are, they have other specs for you. Buy their medical monitors if you have the cash :)

A couple things people seem to forget when bashing one of these TN gaming panels:

a) IPS panels don't have 1ms response time. The fastest ones are maybe 5ms and I can easily see them ghost (more than a 1-2ms TN).
b) There are no commercially available IPS panels that are factory made for >60Hz usage. The ones that can be overclocked are a crapshoot and/or they are expensive (Overlord monitors) and they aren't guaranteed to OC much or even last.
c) Can you even maintain 144 FPS at 2560x1400? My HD 7950 crossfire setup has problems holding 120 FPS at 1080p in many newer games, and Crossfire actually working is a must.
d) The TN panel used in these monitors isn't that bad. I have had both Nexus 7 devices and a 42" LG IPS TV, and they aren't THAT much better than a decent TN monitor IMO. My Nexus 7 FHD still brightness shifts if you look at it at a moderate angle. Plus, the argument is pointless if you are a single user. You'll likely never play a game with your head at a 90, 60 or even 30 degree angle perpendicular to the center of the monitor.
e) Don't pull the "human eye can't see >60 FPS" garbage either because that is just plain ignorant. I can easily detect the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz just by moving my mouse across the screen. Monitors that support Lightboost (strobing a black frame between real frames) are even better because the ghosting is virtually gone.

Just my two cents.

Jstn7477A couple things people seem to forget when bashing one of these TN gaming panels:

a) IPS panels don't have 1ms response time. The fastest ones are maybe 5ms and I can easily see them ghost (more than a 1-2ms TN).
b) There are no commercially available IPS panels that are factory made for >60Hz usage. The ones that can be overclocked are a crapshoot and/or they are expensive (Overlord monitors) and they aren't guaranteed to OC much or even last.
c) Can you even maintain 144 FPS at 2560x1400? My HD 7950 crossfire setup has problems holding 120 FPS at 1080p in many newer games, and Crossfire actually working is a must.
d) The TN panel used in these monitors isn't that bad. I have had both Nexus 7 devices and a 42" LG IPS TV, and they aren't THAT much better than a decent TN monitor IMO. My Nexus 7 FHD still brightness shifts if you look at it at a moderate angle. Plus, the argument is pointless if you are a single user. You'll likely never play a game with your head at a 90, 60 or even 30 degree angle perpendicular to the center of the monitor.
e) Don't pull the "human eye can't see >60 FPS" garbage either because that is just plain ignorant. I can easily detect the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz just by moving my mouse across the screen. Monitors that support Lightboost (strobing a black frame between real frames) are even better because the ghosting is virtually gone.

Just my two cents.

You kinda took all the words out of my mouth, if you want 2560x1440p then the only option is IPS which atm is 60hz, if you want 120hz+ then it's a TN panel but newer TN panels are not as bad as the rep they have, either way, both techs you are paying a premium for cause neither are mainstream (1440p/120hz) so the 1080p lame comments lead back to the beginning of my argument and we go round and round. I personally think 1080p is fine on a 24" monitor.

Yes is very similar to my Benq 24XLT

Personally I don't see any different between TN and IPS panels, however the 120/144hz thing can be noticed the very second you move your mouse.

FourstaffYou are quite hard to please, aren't you?

I personally think 170 degrees is wonderful for a gaming monitor: harder for people to peek your screen during lan parties.

170º is a lie. The problem with TN is, you only have to be slightly off center before the contrast and colors change. You don't get the same picture for all 170º. More like 45º each way, if you're lucky. It's even worse up and down.

erixxProud of my Dutch company! All my panels - computers and TVs - are Philips (and my expresso machine :) and never had no problems. The specs are what they are, they have other specs for you. Buy their medical monitors if you have the cash :)

not pure philips, it's still LG & apparently others, some examples:

Philips 237E3QSU/96 7ms G2G 23"WS LG.Display IPS
Philips 298P4QJEB 5ms G2G 29"WS LG.Display AH-IPS
Philips 272C4QPJKEB 6ms G2G 27"WS Samsung AH-PLS
Philips 271P4QPJKEB/00 6ms G2G 27"WS AU Optronics AMVA (benq)
Philips Moda 248C3LHSW 2ms G2G 23.6"WS Chi Mei Innolux TN Film
Philips 221E1HSB 5ms 21.6"WS CMO TN Film (M216H1-L01)
Philips 200WB7 8ms 20"WS Chunghwa Picture Tube TN Film (CLAA201WA01)
Philips 37PF9830 6ms G2G 37"WS Sharp ASV

Wile E170º is a lie. The problem with TN is, you only have to be slightly off center before the contrast and colors change. You don't get the same picture for all 170º. More like 45º each way, if you're lucky. It's even worse up and down.

Yeah it's one thing i hated about my Samsung 204b is that you had to sit pretty much head on with it..

Awesome how they go nuts listing specs and don't bother to advertise the price. :laugh::rolleyes:

erixxProud of my Dutch company! All my panels - computers and TVs - are Philips (and my expresso machine :) and never had no problems. The specs are what they are, they have other specs for you. Buy their medical monitors if you have the cash :)

Too your loved dutch TV is not Philips in real. They ditched the TV segment to TPV a few years ago so its just a logo/brand.

This monitor actually is old news -- Some foreign sites and australian forum members already talked about this Philips 144Hz monitor on August 5th:
forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2137996
And then some websites, including Blur Busters, announced the Philips 144Hz in early August.
Interesting that several mainstream sites only announces it just now.