The Von MatricesEDIT: this increase in efficiency not be true, see my post below



The R9 290X is clocked 16% lower than the 7970 GHz Edition but has 37.5% more SP. If the performance of Hawaii scales linearly with SP and clock speed with respect to Tahiti, then based on the TPU performance chart the R9 290X should be 97% as fast as GTX 780. If a dynamic boost mode is implemented (ala 7790) as has been rumored then they should be neck and neck in performance, possibly with the R9 290X being a little faster if it can boost over 1GHz consistently. However, as with any product the price is what will really determine a winner. But even if the R9 290X is priced the same as GTX 780, the R9 290X should be the better buy.

german103Nice calculations but 290X will actually be 7-12% faster than TITAN.
don't ask for the source

EpicShweetnessDid some math hear if this chip is anything like "Bonaire" well hears a speculation. "Bonaire" is a 29% increase in SP count and this results in roughly a 25% increase in performance. This chip "Hawaii" at 2816 is roughly a 28% increase in SP count, so.... Well you see the pattern hear.
I'll be honest I'm a little disappointed, I was expecting to see 20nm, but if this card can bring 780 levels of performance at $500 or less :rockout:
Aside "Bonaire" proved to have little impact on power consumption (5-8%), but applied to the 238w of power consumption this chip (regardless of the lower clock speeds) is gonna be cresting 250w :banghead:

ensabrenoirmust say this is one area where amd never disappoints.....true it must surpass nvidia or its meaningless.... nvidia will drop prices though.......

HumanSmokeFirst post from a new member. Check.
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Seems legit.

RCoonNVidia will never drop the prices of their two top end cards, because they see the high price of the cards as the cost to be a part of the green team. It's always been that way. Even if something performs identically to a Titan in every form, NVidia would still put a higher price on it compared to said identical card, purely for the right of passage into the green team.

the54thvoidAh, the mighty troll banishing spell. :toast:



I think they shot themselves in the foot with Titan. By keeping DP compute fully enabled with 6GB of RAM they sold their previously 'several thousand dollar' compute card for cheap. That would have probably annoyed a few small scale compute users that paid top dollar. I could see Titan just disappearing from inventory and a new GTX 785 (or something) that is a Titan without DP compute, 6GB memory but has higher power limits.

Nvidia only need to do that if the AMD card beats Titan. To be fair - it should. Titan is about 25-35% faster than 7970GHz. AMD's next gen card should surely be 30% faster than it's previous gen?

ensabrenoirmust say this is one area where amd never disappoints.....true it must surpass nvidia or its meaningless.... nvidia will drop prices though.......

german103Nice calculations but 290X will actually be 7-12% faster than TITAN.

don't ask for the source

Prima.VeraNeh.

64 ROPs/ 512bit if you want to start the party.

RCoonNVidia will never drop the prices of their two top end cards, because they see the high price of the cards as the cost to be a part of the green team. It's always been that way. Even if something performs identically to a Titan in every form, NVidia would still put a higher price on it compared to said identical card, purely for the right of passage into the green team.

HumanSmokeI assume English isn't your native language. "on par" means "equal to".
Therefore, if RCoon's assumption is that the 290X is equal to the 780, how can it have greater performance than the Titan which is around 8% faster than the 780?
Quite simply it can't. It is contradictory. There is no outright performance metric for reference SKU's where the 780 exceeds the Titan.

Recus1. Create hype with unrealistic spec. Diagram
2. Silently lower spec till release.
3. Profit.

440 TDP. Don't ask for the source.

EpicShweetnessDid some math hear if this chip is anything like "Bonaire" well hears a speculation. "Bonaire" is a 29% increase in SP count and this results in roughly a 25% increase in performance. This chip "Hawaii" at 2816 is roughly a 28% increase in SP count, so.... Well you see the pattern hear.

NeoXFYou do have to take into account that HD 7790 is pretty damn bandwidth starved, you know that right...


God, I love all you guys getting your nerd on and doing all that pseudo-pointless math and all... but there's so many things that you have to take into consideration... by the time you're finished one of 2 things will happen:

1. You're going to look like a clown when you realize you forgot about factor X or Y or Z.
2. The card has launched anyway so it's redundant.

Example one: Has anyone forgotten about AMD's uber driver overhauls that kept on enhancing and squeezing more and more performance out of the GCN arch? Maybe this will happen again (or maybe not), but this time, they have their shit ready day 1.

jigar2speedI did get what he meant, but 8 % faster Titan cannot and will not justify 350$ higher pricing.

EDIT: And about that performance metrics where 780 exceeds the Titan - please see this - www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_SC_ACX_Cooler/26.html

EDIT 2: The above review clearly shows, there is not much to overtake once you are done beating 780.

mirakulI don't think the driver will fail this time. GCN has been around for 2 years. And AMD will smart enough to not release a new chip that cannot beat 780.
Now that will only be the price. If AMD bundle the card with BF4 for the same price as 780, who can resist to buy??

Recus1. Create hype with unrealistic spec. Diagram
2. Silently lower spec till release.
3. Profit.

jigar2speedI did get what he meant, but 8 % faster Titan cannot and will not justify 350$ higher pricing

jigar2speedEDIT: And about that performance metrics where 780 exceeds the Titan - please see this - www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_SC_ACX_Cooler/26.html

HumanSmokeQuite simply it can't. It is contradictory. There is no outright performance metric for reference SKU's where the 780 exceeds the Titan.

The card is factory-overclocked and offers out-of-the-box GPU clock speeds of 967 MHz core and 1118 MHz GPU Boost against the 863 MHz core and 900 MHz GPU Boost of NVIDIA's reference board.

MxPhenom 216if you bought a Titan just for gaming, you should probably reevaluate your purchase.

the54thvoidOi! That's precisely what I did :laugh:

At time of release Titan was far ahead of any other single gpu solution - that's why many folk ditched more 'powerful' but very buggy dual gpu solutions. Who'd a thunk Nvidia would've screwed us over with the 780? :ohwell:

But on topic, I'm looking forward to seeing what the new AMD flagship has to offer.

radrokTitan is still miles ahead of the 780s imho, the added shaders when pushing 1300-1400 Mhz make a BIG difference.