I think you have the prices the wrong way around. 24" should be cheaper than 28"

Crazy price ~.~ you can buy Korean monitor 1440p for 300 usd -.- 27 inch 5ms GtC

buggalugsI think you have the prices the wrong way around. 24" should be cheaper than 28"

I saw that pricing pop up on other sites as well.
The 28.3 inch version might have a slightly inferior panel, or it is because of the crazy high ppi (for a monitor) that the 24 version is more expensive.
UP3214Q = $ 3499
P2815Q = $ 1000
UP2414Q = $ 1399

urza26I saw that pricing pop up on other sites as well.
The 28.3 inch version might have a slightly inferior panel, or it is because of the crazy high ppi (for a monitor) that the 24 version is more expensive.
UP3214Q = $ 3499
UP2815Q = $ 1000
UP2414Q = $ 1399

Ok, well that's weird.

AFAIK, the 28" model is P2815Q, not UP2815Q... if this is correct, then nothing weird as UPxxxx models tends to be higher end models with higher quality panels and designed for design and photography where colour accuracy is important... Pxxxx models are lower quality, they don't have these colour accuracy of UPxxxx... so this 28" will not have 99% AdobeRGB and 100% sRGB coverage...

Only if I understood this correctly...

XajelAFAIK, the 28" model is P2815Q, not UP2815Q... if this is correct, then nothing weird as UPxxxx models tends to be higher end models with higher quality panels and designed for design and photography where colour accuracy is important... Pxxxx models are lower quality, they don't have these colour accuracy of UPxxxx... so this 28" will not have 99% AdobeRGB and 100% sRGB coverage...

Only if I understood this correctly...

Yes, you're right, the 28.3 inch model isn't an Ultrasharp model, my bad.
I corrected it in my post.
Though specs claim a 10-bit panel, 99% Adobe RGB and 100% sRGB coverage for the 28.3 model as well, which strikes me as odd for a supposedly 'inferior' panel.

Sweet Jesus, am I hallucinating this or did Dell finally man the fuck up and start giving the people what they want? Surely this would never have happened if they had remained public. I would also say that my two cents tells me that the 24" (which I fucking want badly) is probably more expensive due to having a higher PPI than the 28". Either way:


EDIT: That's over 180 PPI! My eyes, they ache for such goodness!

hellrazorSweet Jesus, am I hallucinating this or did Dell finally man the fuck up and start giving the people what they want? Surely this would never have happened if they had remained public. I would also say that my two cents tells me that the 24" (which I fucking want badly) is probably more expensive due to having a higher PPI than the 28". Either way:


EDIT: That's over 180 PPI! My eyes, the ache for such goodness!

Except that Dell hasn't been private for that long and any significant decisions like this were probably taken before any really significant changes are made in the company.

So a 4K 24" display for 1400$... We need some reviews, specially how will the Windows desktop, but specially the apps will look on native res. Btw, it will be 60Hz?

Well that is interesting,.....

While ~$1000 to ~$1400 is still out of the price range of a lot of retail buyers it definitely is a massive improvement over entry-level level pricing for 4K monitors. It used to be that you were lucky to find a used ~22" 4K 30Hz display for around ~$1500.

I have to wonder where name brand 2560x1600 / 2560x1440 monitor prices will go once these Dell prices (and likely other manufacturers) go into effect?

Are these still tiled displays requiring 2 inputs ? Can anyone tell ?

BytalesAre these still tiled displays requiring 2 inputs ? Can anyone tell ?

The monitors make no difference when it comes to this, it is the inputs themselves that force you the monitors to have to behave as 2 monitors to achieve 60Hz.

Dual-Link DVI and Single Stream DisplayPort can't drive 4K@60Hz, that is why MST DisplayPort is needed.

hellrazorEDIT: That's over 180 PPI! My eyes, the ache for such goodness!

My eye ache from not being able to read that small of text on the screen...

The new DisplayPort should be able to output 4k without issue. HDMI, regular/old DP and DVI, those would probably be composite/tiled...

I could be wrong, but I think the latest DisplayPort only adds more streams, but it didn't increase the bandwidth provided per stream, so you still have to use MST to get 60Hz.

Looks like dell just released some monitors for me then, yay

newtekie1I could be wrong, but I think the latest DisplayPort only adds more streams, but it didn't increase the bandwidth provided per stream, so you still have to use MST to get 60Hz.

And yet, DP is a packet interface, more akin to ethernet than to HDMI. Using parallel streams to increase total bandwidth shouldn't mean you get two distinct display outputs that you need to recompose. I think you can make it output 4k @ 60 Hz if the monitor's image composer will accept it. Perhaps Dell could've been wise and put a Thunderbolt interface on their monitor as well...

newtekie1My eye ache from not being able to read that small of text on the screen...

Yeah I am wondering that too... although on parallels W7 does ok, but the font scaling does break half the stuff.

newtekie1The monitors make no difference when it comes to this, it is the inputs themselves that force you the monitors to have to behave as 2 monitors to achieve 60Hz.

Dual-Link DVI and Single Stream DisplayPort can't drive 4K@60Hz, that is why MST DisplayPort is needed.



My eye ache from not being able to read that small of text on the screen...

Its about some sort of controller that is suppose to apear later, that support 4k@60hz. That what i was asking about.

BytalesIts about some sort of controller that is suppose to apear later, that support 4k@60hz. That what i was asking about.

Thats a good question. I don't know how HDMI 2.0 will do it but its a fair bet that there will be new HDMI 2.0 compliant displays in 2014 if not "early" 2014:

Sony
"Sony is prepared to support the HDMI 2.0 specification on its line-up of 4K Ultra HD televisions with an easy firmware update to be available over the Internet by the end of this year."

This short response belies the complexity of what's happening. Sony is one of the only manufacturers that is claiming to be able to upgrade their existing 4K TVs to HDMI 2.0 with a simple Internet download. Will this be "full" HDMI 2.0 compliance? HDGuru has an interesting article explaining that.

Meanwhile, the company's two newest 4K projectors already support HDMI 2.0. Sony also says that its older 4K products, namely its 84-inch TV and its first 4K projector, will require hardware upgrades to reach HDMI 2.0 compliance. The price of those upgrades hasn't been made official, but for UK models HDTVtest was informed "it's in the region of thousands rather than hundreds of pounds."

Toshiba
"Although these units are shipping with HDMI 1.4 level capability, Toshiba will also provide a free firmware upgrade to HDMI 2.0 level capability this December 2013 to support 4K 60fps content. 'Toshiba is leading the industry in 4K Ultra HD technology,' said Ramirez. 'While many brands are just getting started in Ultra HD, our CEVO 4K engine is second-generation technology. Now we are adding HDMI 2.0 level capability so users can enjoy our amazing picture quality with higher speed 60fps 4K content.'"

reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57607131-221/hdmi-2.0-upgrade-path-where-do-the-manufacturers-stand/

While this is in reference to UHDTV dealing with HDMI 2.0 on new 4K monitors in early 2014 should not be significantly different. However, once again I don't know if HDMI 2.0 is handling things differently then DisplayPort MST to achieve 60Hz,...

according to wikipedia hdmi 2.0 clocks the signal to 600 Mhz (1.4 is 340 Mhz) so if you have a good HDMI cable then it will probably work.

newtekie1My eye ache from not being able to read that small of text on the screen...

It's your own fault that you're still using an OS that continually punches itself in the face if it renders text at anything other than 96 PPI.

Brusfantometaccording to wikipedia hdmi 2.0 clocks the signal to 600 Mhz (1.4 is 340 Mhz) so if you have a good HDMI cable then it will probably work.

The Extra Bandwith is supposedly attained by increased freq. only. So if you have the faster chip allready inside your TV, all you need is a firmware update.
Cable wise, it makes no difference.

BytalesThe Extra Bandwith is supposedly attained by increased freq. only. So if you have the faster chip allready inside your TV, all you need is a firmware update.
Cable wise, it makes no difference.

What i dont understand is why do we have so many ports, when all monitors TV could do just fine with a display port. Smaller, better, you could cram six of the mini ports on one pci express row, etc

And the Videocards should all go MiniDisplay port in my opinion. And everything else should be through convertor or adapter. As it is much easier to use a small conector like mini Dysplay, you could have all connectors one one PCI Express row, even for a dual card. And you would always have the posibility to create one slot watercooled card. There are some exemples in this direction:
en.expreview.com/img/2011/04/14/powercolorwchd6990_1.jpg the 6990 for instance, except for the DVI connector, its all sweet. The same configuration uses the 7990 Malta.
Thats why i hate nvidia for always going dual slot, when you dont have to.

Im I am ever going to buy Vesuvius, i sure hope it will be able to be watercooled using one slot´like the 6990.

hellrazorIt's your own fault that you're still using an OS that continually punches itself in the face if it renders text at anything other than 96 PPI.

This is a troll post. You just called idiots 99.9% of users who are still using Windows OS. FYI if you use more than 125% DPI scalling in ANY Windows OSes, everything becomes scrambled and retarded, including icons, text overlapping, Java/Flash/ActiveX apps becoming a mess, etc, etc. Talking from experience... ;)

Brusfantometaccording to wikipedia hdmi 2.0 clocks the signal to 600 Mhz (1.4 is 340 Mhz) so if you have a good HDMI cable then it will probably work.

This particular monitor doesn't support HDMI 2.0 iirc.

Prima.VeraThis is a troll post. You just called idiots 99.9% of users who are still using Windows OS. FYI if you use more than 125% DPI scalling in ANY Windows OSes, everything becomes scrambled and retarded, including icons, text overlapping, Java/Flash/ActiveX apps becoming a mess, etc, etc. Talking from experience... ;)

Win8 fixed most of the scaling issues I heard.