Crazy fast! That's some really nice looking RAM sticks too imo.

need to, high latency is still really hurting ddr4.

Um this is kinda bad since there are DDR3 kits that did 4620mhz under LN2

buildzoidUm this is kinda bad since there are DDR3 kits that did 4620mhz under LN2

@ like 1.9V+++, this is like at 1.5V or something, methinks.

Personally, I think all this anti-DDR4 stuff is misplaced. But hey, maybe I am one of few that have played with retail platform, so maybe I just like what new platform offers. I have a set of these sticks for review, will go live ASAP. G.SKILL has the highest-spec'd kits available, and the 3000 MHz kit costs less than most 2800 MHz kits from other brands.

cadaveca@ like 1.9V+++, this is like at 1.5V or something, methinks.

Personally, I think all this anti-DDR4 stuff is misplaced. But hey, maybe I am one of few that have played with retail platform, so maybe I just like what new platform offers. I have a set of these sticks for review, will go live ASAP. G.SKILL has the highest-spec'd kits available, and the 3000 MHz kit costs less than most 2800 MHz kits from other brands.

I'm just saying that DDR4 for is still not ready when DDR3 can beat it in terms of raw frequency. However if they manage to do with DDR4 what happened with DDR3 we will be seeing DDR4 kits getting above 5000mhz on LN2 in a few years. But right now it isn't worth it.

buildzoidI'm just saying that DDR4 for is still not ready when DDR3 can beat it in terms of raw frequency. However if they manage to do with DDR4 what happened with DDR3 we will be seeing DDR4 kits getting above 5000mhz on LN2 in a few years. But right now it isn't worth it.

Why LN2 for 5Ghz??

I mean the max consumer speed for DDR was 600Mhz, for DDR2 was 1200Mhz, DDR3 is now at 2400Mhz, why is so hard for DDR4 to be able to go 4800Mhz or more even, on "normal" conditions??

buildzoidBut right now it isn't worth it.

But right now is where we're at. DDR4 is in it's infancy. We will watch it mature over time.

Prima.VeraWhy LN2 for 5Ghz??

I mean the max consumer speed for DDR was 600Mhz, for DDR2 was 1200Mhz, DDR3 is now at 2400Mhz, why is so hard for DDR4 to be able to go 4800Mhz or more even, on "normal" conditions??

I wanted to put 6Ghz but that sounded ridiculous.

buildzoidI'm just saying that DDR4 for is still not ready when DDR3 can beat it in terms of raw frequency. However if they manage to do with DDR4 what happened with DDR3 we will be seeing DDR4 kits getting above 5000mhz on LN2 in a few years. But right now it isn't worth it.

You make it sound like memory bandwidth holds back the X99 platform.


It doesn't.

Yeah, speeds are a little "low", but I'm still pushing over 60,000 MB/s @ 3000 MHz.


Considering the crap I got from rating single-sided MFR's highly, all this talk about "low speed DDR4 is crap" is pretty comical to me, especially coming from so many users without actual usage experience with it.(not saying you in particular, but I do see the same sentiments reverberating throughout forums, and started by guys that haven't a clue, IMHO).

cadavecaYou make it sound like memory bandwidth holds back the X99 platform.


It doesn't.

Yeah, speeds are a little "low", but I'm still pushing over 60,000 MB/s @ 3000 MHz.


Considering the crap I got from rating single-sided MFR's highly, all this talk about "low speed DDR4 is crap" is pretty comical to me, especially coming from so many users without actual usage experience with it.(not saying you in particular, but I do see the same sentiments reverberating throughout forums, and started by guys that haven't a clue, IMHO).

I guess I just expected too much. What I was hoping was that X99 clocks to 4.8-5Ghz and has fast enough memory to beat a 4790K in SuperPi wich right now is not the case as far as I can see(no DDR4 memory reviews). It's a good platform just disappointing for me because I wanted it to replace my X79 rig and right now I can see the following: 400mhz Lower core clocks and memory on par with Z97 which to me is just not enough to replace my X79.

buildzoidI guess I just expected too much. What I was hoping was that X99 clocks to 4.8-5Ghz and has fast enough memory to beat a 4790K in SuperPi wich right now is not the case as far as I can see(no DDR4 memory reviews). It's a good platform just disappointing for me because I wanted it to replace my X79 rig and right now I can see the following: 400mhz Lower core clocks and memory on par with Z97 which to me is just not enough to replace my X79.

X99 is faster than X79. Is it worth the high price of entry? That's a personal decision each user must make. is SuperPi faster, even with the "slower" memory? Seems that way to me, if you crank up the ring speed.

That's part of why I did not have memory review ready for yesterday along with the GAMING 7 review. I'm taking time to explore the OC side of things with most of these boards, to see exactly how far I can push my CPU, whether board matters in OC (more info about this will come out soon, and I'm not ready to comment specifically on this), and how much memory really impacts performance. That means I am testing all speeds of memory I can, from the base 2133 MHz and up to 3000 MMHz+, and proper analysis of that is going to take some time. I'm hoping I can complete that analysis today, but at the same time, I may need more CPUs, and none are available locally for a decent price. Maybe I can get W1zz to OK the expense and have the site buy some for me, but that almost seems.. well... a big expense for a small project. If you guys are really interested in that investigation, I could use some $$$. I don't think any other site will properly look at this, but I geek out over this memory stuff, of course.

But man, these G.SKILL sticks sure do like to be pushed. THAT I can talk about already. I'm pushing 2666 C14 with very reasonable voltage, and working now on getting lower (rig is running tests right next to me as I type this) :p


;)

I would like to say I stand corrected an 5.87Ghz 5960X (5m 25s)is faster than a 5.9Ghz 4790K(5m 26s) in SuperPi 32M. I should read more and type less.
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Though I still would like to see these CPUs getting closer to 5Ghz on air/H2O.
BTW do you have SOC board form gigabyte?

Nope, but I will request one after publishing the review on the G1 board.

buildzoidI wanted to put 6Ghz but that sounded ridiculous.

Why ridiculous? We have GDDR5 at 7+ Ghz on mainstream for an year now, which is basically DDR3 with double data lines

Prima.VeraWhy ridiculous? We have GDDR5 at 7+ Ghz on mainstream for an year now, which is basically DDR3 with double data lines

Not exactly that simple. GDDR5 uses multiple 64-bit busses (as we should all be aware of based on NVidia GPU designs) to a couple of chips per bus, DDR3 uses 128 bit bus to connect to many chips.

buildzoidUm this is kinda bad since there are DDR3 kits that did 4620mhz under LN2

Why should the average person care about LN2? General overlocker/gamer such as my self only cares about water/air. I could give 2 shits about LN2 as it isnt adequate for 24/7 use.

CrAsHnBuRnXpWhy should the average person care about LN2? General overlocker/gamer such as my self only cares about water/air. I could give 2 shits about LN2 as it isnt adequate for 24/7 use.

I'm pointing that because these were also on LN2. This isn't DDR4 4004mhz on air cooling it's on LN2 so it's worse(only in terms of raw frequency) than DDR3 on the same cooling

All of the DDR4 hype is to get the technically challenged consumer to buy this DRAM when it offers no tangible system performance gains over DDR3 LV. Since DDR3 running @ 1600 MHz. in a CPU powered desktop is NOT a system bottleneck, faster DRAM is just a waste of money. Even APUs can only benefit from DRAM of ~2133 MHz. Thus DDR4 for desktops is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist yet and may not exist for 5-10 years from now. DDR4 has some value for servers however due to density and topology.

JorgeAll of the DDR4 hype is to get the technically challenged consumer to buy this DRAM when it offers no tangible system performance gains over DDR3 LV. Since DDR3 running @ 1600 MHz. in a CPU powered desktop is NOT a system bottleneck, faster DRAM is just a waste of money. Even APUs can only benefit from DRAM of ~2133 MHz. Thus DDR4 for desktops is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist yet and may not exist for 5-10 years from now. DDR4 has some value for servers however due to density and topology.

Oh STFU will you this stuff is great for SuperPi