Guys, we have a problem!
And q1 is going to be even worse, another 15% revenue decrease!
Here's hoping AMD makes it into 2016.

Find the guy responsible for bulldozer's architecture and make him pay every missing dollar.

Dj-ElectriCFind the guy responsible for bulldozer's architecture and make him pay every missing dollar.

That would be Dirk Meyer for the server-based processor strategy, Mike Butler, Bulldozers chief architect (now with Samsung), and Chuck Moore (chief engineer who died 2012).
Technically, if you're blaming anyone it should be the Board of Directors - they signed off on the strategy, and every other decision.

ISI300And q1 is going to be even worse, another 15% revenue decrease!

Yup. Q4 was in line with expectation, but the projected 15% loss (± 3%) in Q1 2015 is a big kick in the teeth.

Dj-ElectriCHere's hoping AMD makes it into 2016.

They'll get there. They might not be in good shape...but they'll be there.

Hopefully, the new President @ CEO Dr. Lisa Su able to turn AMD into a profitable company in the future.
$360 million in loses is too much for AMD.

All my pc using intel chips, but i want AMD to success. I don't want to see intel to charge customer "i7-4770k" for $999 if there is no more competition.

they have facing huge losses the previous year. Year-Year revenue decreases becasue of lowered sale of GPUs due to competitive company's better product or edge.

TonduluboyI don't want to see intel to charge customer "i7-4770k" for $999 if there is no more competition.

You think there is competition now?
Intel have AMD on life support because it serves their purpose. AMD likely can't be acquired by anyone other than a U.S. company, and any potential buyer (including taking on the debt) would still be faced with taking on Intel. The other side of the coin is that Intel can't grind AMD down to dust without the DoJ and the FTC starting antitrust proceedings...so they do what they're doing - keeping AMD viable enough to maintain their business without growing so large that they represent any kind of threat. You think Intel couldn't price AMD out of existencein the consumer space if they wanted to? Thankfully there are laws to stop Intel slashing prices, even if contra revenue walks a fine line in the ultra portable market.

If lack of competition was a key to skyrocketing prices, why are Intel's Xeon line holding steady in pricing architecture after architecture? The company holds almost 98% of the x86 server market - that's about as close to a monopoly as it gets. Intel also has no competition in HEDT, yet the 5960X isn't appreciably more expensive than the launch price of the 4960X, or 3960X/3970X before that, or the 980X/990X before that.

I wouldn't even say that the 4770K has that much competition - AMD's 990X/FX platform is pretty long in the tooth, and is steadily losing ground, yet the 4770K/4790K isn't appreciably more expensive than the 3770K, or the 2600K prior to that.

TonduluboyAll my pc using intel chips, but i want AMD to success. I don't want to see intel to charge customer "i7-4770k" for $999 if there is no more competition.

It won't be nearly that bad. Intel will have to keep reasonable pricing to compete with their older products, otherwise there won't be an incentive for consumers to buy newer products.

Next time someone is asking an advice about hardware and AMD's offers are as good or even better than those from Nvidia or Intel, do a favor first to yourselves and suggest the AMD options. It's really sad to see people promoting Intel and Nvidia hardware even on cases where AMD offers something better.

yet they make the chips in "this gen" consoles...

erixxyet they make the chips in "this gen" consoles...

But bear in mind that AMD generally sells their chips for too little profit. It's not about total sales, it's about profit margin.

I have seen some rumors floating around the net that Samsung might be interested in buying AMD. If they did they could put enough cash into AMD for R&D to turn them around.

HumanSmokeYou think there is competition now?
Intel have AMD on life support because it serves their purpose. AMD likely can't be acquired by anyone other than a U.S. company, and any potential buyer (including taking on the debt) would still be faced with taking on Intel. The other side of the coin is that Intel can't grind AMD down to dust without the DoJ and the FTC starting antitrust proceedings...so they do what they're doing - keeping AMD viable enough to maintain their business without growing so large that they represent any kind of threat. You think Intel couldn't price AMD out of existencein the consumer space if they wanted to? Thankfully there are laws to stop Intel slashing prices, even if contra revenue walks a fine line in the ultra portable market.

If lack of competition was a key to skyrocketing prices, why are Intel's Xeon line holding steady in pricing architecture after architecture? The company holds almost 98% of the x86 server market - that's about as close to a monopoly as it gets. Intel also has no competition in HEDT, yet the 5960X isn't appreciably more expensive than the launch price of the 4960X, or 3960X/3970X before that, or the 980X/990X before that.

I wouldn't even say that the 4770K has that much competition - AMD's 990X/FX platform is pretty long in the tooth, and is steadily losing ground, yet the 4770K/4790K isn't appreciably more expensive than the 3770K, or the 2600K prior to that.

In my country the 4770K is ~35% more expensive than the 2600K

TonduluboyI don't want to see intel to charge customer "i7-4770k" for $999 if there is no more competition.

The big plus of being a monopolist is not charging whatever you like. It's a popular misconception. Coca-Cola is a monopilist at certain locations, but you don't buy a can of it for thousands of dollars. The deal is, being a monopolist gives you the opportunity to supply certain amount of your product at the price you want, earning the margin you want. You don't have to drive your competitors out, because you are already in control of how much at what price appears at the market.

john_Next time someone is asking an advice about hardware and AMD's offers are as good or even better than those from Nvidia or Intel, do a favor first to yourselves and suggest the AMD options. It's really sad to see people promoting Intel and Nvidia hardware even on cases where AMD offers something better.

Well as much as people need to be more respectful of giving proper advice to people instead of just preaching for their company that's really not what will help them nearly as much as you would think. OEM's are the biggest concerns for AMD and the biggest reason for their short comings in most areas. Many OEM's dropped AMD for Intel in the mid 2000's due to certain "business practices" that were settled in lawsuits but really didn't yield much help to fix the problem. Either way AMD has to get more OEM's putting APU's, GPU's, etc into their machines otherwise they really are not making much on the rebound because individuals buying products is a lot smaller a margin than the average user who walks into a store and picks up a laptop, tablet, or PC.

erixxyet they make the chips in "this gen" consoles...

They put the chips in the machines which is good for them and helps keep them selling. However that bigger point is that the APU's have their architecture inside which helps with their own GPU sales and helps game companies be more willing to work with them over competition. You could say with at least GPU's they have a monopoly on that area of the market. Still the profit margins from those chips is very low right now and probably will not increase for awhile until there is a die shrink. The biggest problem to me with this is the lack of a label/designation of some kind on the machine that states AMD GPU/CPU/APU or whatever anywhere on the consoles like in some past machines as having that would get consumers to notice them a bit more.

64KBut bear in mind that AMD generally sells their chips for too little profit. It's not about total sales, it's about profit margin.

I have seen some rumors floating around the net that Samsung might be interested in buying AMD. If they did they could put enough cash into AMD for R&D to turn them around.

Hmm, would not be a bad idea in the end honestly. Samsung is the type of company to do that since they have a mindset of making everything they do top notch. Though I would find it a bit odd to see Samsung owning AMD in the end. But then again they would get a standard OEM for their laptops (Samsung with AMD CPU/GPU/APU) while money could be poured into their divisions to get them working more.

AMD needs to put money into getting OEM's and offering things competitively. The more they get in their pocket, the better they can then start actually working to make things much more profitable for them.

as far as "Intel vs AMD" goes - I think that from year 2010 (or when was the Buldozzer release?) it is "Intel vs few years old Intel chips", because - people with SandyBridge and up has no legit reason to upgradein CPU wise.... but in GPU market - there is another storry - few year old GPUs rubissh vs new ones (essepcially if you want move up on resolution and/or past 60hz) - so nVidia can do whatever with their prices when AMD will go down... and tit will :'(

64KBut bear in mind that AMD generally sells their chips for too little profit. It's not about total sales, it's about profit margin.

I have seen some rumors floating around the net that Samsung might be interested in buying AMD. If they did they could put enough cash into AMD for R&D to turn them around.

the greater example of low profit margin is 280x and 290. both are very good GPU in gaming performance and benching as well. but selling rate tend to reduced right after maxwell 970/980 arrival. actually by reveiwong maxwell's technology, AMd has no clue how to survive in market.

may be AMD need new and advance setup for their research division. to make sure what users really wanted to get cuz AMd seriously need to work on consumption section.

People can buy two configurations:

1. AsRock 970 Pro3 Rev. 2.0, AMD 970 , DDR3 2100+(OC), AM3+;
AMD FX-8350 X8, 4.0GHz, 16MB, AM3+, Black Edition;
GEIL 2X4GB DDRIII 2133 EVO POTENZA

for ¬330 EUR

or

2. AsRock Z87M PRO4, DDR3 2800+(OC), LGA1150;
Core i5 4690K, 3.50GHz, 6MB, LGA1150
GEIL 2X4GB DDRIII 2133 EVO POTENZA

for ¬420 EUR




If customers realised that with AMD they receive quite a lot for their money, then AMD would be in much better shape.

But, of course, ignorance and lack of vision drive only Intel sales. :rolleyes:

obviously, when people stick to NVIDIA, and doesn't realized how much AMD is worthy in terms of price/performance. as AMD offering much more than what they are getting. so NVIDIA sales top notch at premium prices. so its psyche that very customer bound with.

in our country, there is totally monopoly of INTEL. not a single distrubuter is dealing in AMD CPUs so we have to go with INTEL.

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intel has good value options too especially if your talking 1080p since you only need one gpu.

Sony Xperia SPeople can buy two configurations:

1. AsRock 970 Pro3 Rev. 2.0, AMD 970 , DDR3 2100+(OC), AM3+;
AMD FX-8350 X8, 4.0GHz, 16MB, AM3+, Black Edition;
GEIL 2X4GB DDRIII 2133 EVO POTENZA

for ¬330 EUR

or

2. AsRock Z87M PRO4, DDR3 2800+(OC), LGA1150;
Core i5 4690K, 3.50GHz, 6MB, LGA1150
GEIL 2X4GB DDRIII 2133 EVO POTENZA

for ¬420 EUR




If customers realised that with AMD they receive quite a lot for their money, then AMD would be in much better shape.

But, of course, ignorance and lack of vision drive only Intel sales. :rolleyes:

Well that is somewhat true but when programs, games, and such focus more on single threaded performance it really causes AMD CPU's to suffer. That being said the consumers who buy to build their own machines are really not that big of an area as with the OEM market. Most people go out and buy a machine assembled already to their rough specifications and normally would rather not have to deal with working on/building a machine or much in the world of maintenance. When more OEM's use strictly Intel the logo gets burned in their head that they need to look for that as something they want not to mention the lack of options at times for products with AMD inside. Even though in more cases than naught with the average consumer the CPU is not as necessary as the GPU power especially when considering the way people use devices like this now for so many media needs people will still default to Intel because of higher selection of products and the fact their last product most likely had Intel inside.

truth be told a single thread game can run twice as good on a i5 and even when a 83xx is used to its whole ability a i5 is right there with it. whats bad in the oem segment is people getting a laptop with only integrated graphics that they want to play games on and its intel..heck even those all in ones have intel graphics. oem's should be jumping allover kaveri and carrizo. the heterogeneous architecture they carry is something great for consumers and preferred by samsung and arm just to name a few.

buildzoidIn my country the 4770K is ~35% more expensive than the 2600K

Well, that's sad, but do you think that indicative of every market? 2600K @ $317 in 2011, three years later, 4770K @ $339. Hardly rampant price gouging is it?

erixxyet they make the chips in "this gen" consoles...

The figures quoted for AMD's XB1/PS4 are that AMD "makes" a little over $100 per console unit, and after TSMC's manufacturing/packaging cost, the net profit for AMD is $13-$17 each (expected to rise to $20 with the process shrink). Console APUs are high volume low margin parts.

Sony Xperia SPeople can buy two configurations:

Making comparisons on how cheap you make an AMD build isn't helping the average perception that AMD is the low-end of the market - and no matter how hard you try, some people have an aversion to buying what are perceived as budget goods.

HumanSmokeMaking comparisons on how cheap you make an AMD build isn't helping the average perception that AMD is the low-end of the market - and no matter how hard you try, some people have an aversion to buying what are perceived as budget goods.

Yeah, I correctly called it ignorance, or stupidity.

To throw more money, when you can save and get the same. That's what happens in the 'smart' companies optimising every single penny of their costs...

Especially when you introduce the completely unnecessary "help" of OEMs and big stores who inflate prices and you actually do not need them.

This company is going from bad to worse and no Su can stop it.

Sony Xperia SYeah, I correctly called it ignorance, or stupidity..To throw more money, when you can save and get the same.

From a sales point of view it doesn't matter. If the customer base have an aversion to buying because of misconceptions over performance or a less than elite brand, then OEMs will follow suit by offering AMD systems less fully featured for a lower cost that then perpetuates the cycle (How many AMD options are there in the high visibility/cost fully featured gaming or workstation notebook categories?). If OEMs don't think they can realize sales from offering all the bells and whistles in an AMD system, then it stands to reason that AMD will be associated with less than cutting edge feature sets.
One of the biggest obstacles to overcoming this is one of AMD's own making. They and their more avid fans perpetuate the plucky underdog status. Sure, some people root the underdog, but many, many more like a winner- and just like sports, winning breeds bandwagoners and frontrunners. The second obstacle is that AMD positions itself as the value proposition, so they deliberately target low margins and a customer base both mindful of how much they spend, and unlikely to buy/upgrade as often as other market segments.

Crap DaddyThis company is going from bad to worse and no Su can stop it.

She now has less incentive to do so thanks to those pesky shareholders

either the CFO is terrible at their job, or they have no power to do anything. Last year they posted an 83million dollar loss, something they could easily have mitigated this year with a small increase in revenue. They got that increase (4% which still beats inflation even) and yet post an even bigger loss? Forget sales, this is a management issue.