When are the lower end models due?

FrickWhen are the lower end models due?

What is known is that Skylake processors suffer a major problem with supply in all countries.

wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i5-i7-processors-global-shortage/

6600K is out of stock and 6700K isn't even listed on Amazon.
6600K is available for $250 and 6700K is "coming soon" (which it has been since August 5) on Newegg.

OEMs appear to be getting trays but retail boxes are in short supply.

FrickWhen are the lower end models due?

vr-zone.com/articles/leak-reveals-intel-skylake-release-date/95346.html

Asia-Pacific: "August 30 - September 5"
Europe, Middle East, Africa: "September 27 - October 3"

Of course...that doesn't necessarily mean you can buy them then.

Sony Xperia SWhat is known is that Skylake processors suffer a major problem with supply in all countries.

wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i5-i7-processors-global-shortage/

I just looked at one retailer here and they have 62 i5s. Lucky us. ;)

Sony Xperia SWhat is known is that Skylake processors suffer a major problem with supply in all countries.

wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i5-i7-processors-global-shortage/

There's a lot of bullshit in that link. I'll focus on one: 42 days for Taiwan to Europe; 20 days for Taiwan to USA. Intel has no fabs in Taiwan. 14nm is being produced in Oregon, Arizona, and Ireland. From those three locations, they are assembled/tested in Costa Rica, Arizona, China, Malaysia, Vietnam, or Israel.

The bottom line is this: Intel says there are supply problems but they have not given any details. They have said they are supposed to be fixed "soon."


Intel has also announced Cannon Lake (10nm) will be delayed to 2017 and Kaby Lake (14nm Skylake refresh) will be released in 2016. The supply shortage may easily be related to the problems with 14nm (Broadwell's dismal showing and announcement of Kaby Lake). Moore's Law is undeniably faltering.

What I see more is that you can easily get Skylake processors, what you can't get so easily are the motherboards and RAM. They are available, granted, but there are lots of boards that have ridiculously long waiting times and because of that, also higher prices. Same goes for RAM. Sure, you can get DDR4 rather easily in large quantities. But when you want specific things like 2x8GB kit of 3000MHz RAM, the selection narrows down to 2 kits in a particular store I'm looking at. The rest of 90% modules are 4x4GB kits. And I don't want that, I want 2 empty slots for easy upgrading if needed later on (like I did with X58 platform, had 6GB and bought extra 12GB of RAM later). So you don't have to sell older RAM, you just add new one and be done with it.

And it's specifics like this that limit your selection for the moment. But I'm sure things will improve in the following weeks.

That may be the case in Europe. In the USA, motherboards are widely available but there's no point when there are no processors to put in them.

Only two options in stock at Newegg too:
www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=ddr4&name=Desktop%20Memory&Order=BESTMATCH&isdeptsrh=1&cm_sp=tab_computer-hardware_6-_-visnav-_-DDR4_2&N=100007611 600521523 600006072 600564659

You'd think they'd have more options with Haswell-E being out so long. On the bright side, 2 x 16 GiB (but out of stock)!

FrickI just looked at one retailer here and they have 62 i5s. Lucky us. ;)

I would never feel "lucky" if they milk me like a cash cow. A chip at 122 mm^squared for 350$.

Thanks but it doesn't make sense from a business perspective and my financials.

Sony Xperia SI would never feel "lucky" if they milk me like a cash cow. A chip at 122 mm^squared for 350$.

Thanks but it doesn't make sense from a business perspective and my financials.

Do you want to listen me only on one moment... How much cost proper AMD platform, nice motherboard with strong VRM enough to keep overclocked FX8350, than FX8350 and 16GB memory on 1866MHz... That cost about 400$...
I paid premium Intel platform Z77 on Spring 2012 about 680e... That's 280e more.
I used Intel platform 3 years and constantly I was aware that my graphic card work on my platform absolutely same as on 1000$ worth processor.
Better to say I was aware that my platform could drain max usage from any single, dual or SLI premium graphic cards on the world. In period of 3 years.
I could use and longer but let's say 3 years. After that I can sell platform for around 300-350e, i7, DDR3 and motherboard. That mean for 3 years I spend only 330-350e to play whole time without bottleneck.
Now what happen with AMD user who pay around 400...First he is constantly behind Intel platform and need to check how much is behind and always to ask before upgrade graphic cards and compare with Intel and always look lower GPU result. Second...If he want to come close to Intel as much as possible he need to OC processor on 4.7-4.8GHz or more. On that clock AMD CPU spend more power than premium graphic card and again whole time is behind Intel. This facts are enough for normal people to say Intel save our money and give us maximum performance.
Pay attention when I say I paid 650-680e platform, that's because I go on most expensive board. I could get same performance and with board 150-180e as Hero and than cost would be 550 example...From other side some AMD users spend over 200-220 on motherboards as Crosshair.
Now everyone who invest over 400$ should think about Intel. Maybe even less. Better to buy Intel platform and normal motherboard and worse cheapest 2x2GB memory without heatsinks before save money for normal kit than investing in AMD platform and 4x4GB or 2x8GB some 100-150$ worth kit. I didn't talk about 3 years period and how much gamer with FX8350 4.8GHz spend more money on power than gamer with i7-3770K 4.5GHz.
Price difference for 3 years is 100% enough to cover difference between new FX8350 and new i7 K processor with HT. 100% for 3 years period.

I agree Intel launch processor to often with small improvements, but all processors are strong enough and gamers will not have problem with any graphic cards. It's very hard now to build 50% stronger CPU... How? For what? Because of that Intel concentrate on other features.

I have to wait till next month, if not I could upgrade tomorrow.

www.pccomponentes.com/asus_maximus_viii_hero.html
They even lowered price on an Asus board I was looking at, almost 20 € less and free shipping:
www.pccomponentes.com/asus_z170_pro_gaming.html
The CPUs:
www.pccomponentes.com/intel_i7_6700k_4_0ghz_box.html
www.pccomponentes.com/intel_i5_6600k_3_5ghz_box.html
Memory:
www.pccomponentes.com/g_skill_ripjaws_v_red_ddr4_2400_pc4_19200_16gb_2x8gb_cl15.html
For higher speed memory I should wait a week.

Price of Hero is little higher this year. But board really offer everything ....
USB 3.1, PCI-E 2x 16 Gen 3, 20 lanes Gen 3 from for two Intel 750 SSD and Sound Card.
You don't need nothing more. Only I would like someone to explain me...Hero have 3x PCI-E x1 slot. For what... sound Card and... most device need x4 speed.
They build motherboard with more than need or forgot to install completely.

crap ... the price on 3770K's stil high ...

Vlada011Price of Hero is little higher this year. But board really offer everything ....
USB 3.1, PCI-E 2x 16 Gen 3, 20 lanes Gen 3 from for two Intel 750 SSD and Sound Card.
You don't need nothing more. Only I would like someone to explain me...Hero have 3x PCI-E x1 slot. For what... sound Card and... most device need x4 speed.
They build motherboard with more than need or forgot to install completely.

Sound cards, USB 3.0 add-in cards, USB 2.0 add-in cards, as well as some SATA cards. Most are at least x4 required, but some basic ones that merely serve to add ports can be had on x1 as well.

I don't even...

FordGT90ConceptI don't even...

Don't know how to call this - sheer arrogance or pure evil or just boring stupidity....

Sony Xperia Sor just boring stupidity....

my vote

Vlada011Do you want to listen me only on one moment... How much cost proper AMD platform, nice motherboard with strong VRM enough to keep overclocked FX8350, than FX8350 and 16GB memory on 1866MHz... That cost about 400$...
I paid premium Intel platform Z77 on Spring 2012 about 680e... That's 280e more.
I used Intel platform 3 years and constantly I was aware that my graphic card work on my platform absolutely same as on 1000$ worth processor.
Better to say I was aware that my platform could drain max usage from any single, dual or SLI premium graphic cards on the world. In period of 3 years.
I could use and longer but let's say 3 years. After that I can sell platform for around 300-350e, i7, DDR3 and motherboard. That mean for 3 years I spend only 330-350e to play whole time without bottleneck.
Now what happen with AMD user who pay around 400...First he is constantly behind Intel platform and need to check how much is behind and always to ask before upgrade graphic cards and compare with Intel and always look lower GPU result. Second...If he want to come close to Intel as much as possible he need to OC processor on 4.7-4.8GHz or more. On that clock AMD CPU spend more power than premium graphic card and again whole time is behind Intel. This facts are enough for normal people to say Intel save our money and give us maximum performance.
Pay attention when I say I paid 650-680e platform, that's because I go on most expensive board. I could get same performance and with board 150-180e as Hero and than cost would be 550 example...From other side some AMD users spend over 200-220 on motherboards as Crosshair.
Now everyone who invest over 400$ should think about Intel. Maybe even less. Better to buy Intel platform and normal motherboard and worse cheapest 2x2GB memory without heatsinks before save money for normal kit than investing in AMD platform and 4x4GB or 2x8GB some 100-150$ worth kit. I didn't talk about 3 years period and how much gamer with FX8350 4.8GHz spend more money on power than gamer with i7-3770K 4.5GHz.
Price difference for 3 years is 100% enough to cover difference between new FX8350 and new i7 K processor with HT. 100% for 3 years period.

I agree Intel launch processor to often with small improvements, but all processors are strong enough and gamers will not have problem with any graphic cards. It's very hard now to build 50% stronger CPU... How? For what? Because of that Intel concentrate on other features.

Youre wasting your breath. He is an AMD diehard fanboi through and through. He will find someway to counter you even if it's wrong.

My 6600k will be here tomorrow along with my 8GB DDR4 G.Skill 3200MHz Ripjaw V's. :)