Reviews will be nice but trivial arguments aside, surely Crossfire Fury X is the obvious better alternative given the Radeon Pro's power envelope.
Putting two Fury X rads in a case isn't much of a stretch given modern case airflow designs.

the54thvoidReviews will be nice but trivial arguments aside, surely Crossfire Fury X is the obvious better alternative given the Radeon Pro's power envelope.
Putting two Fury X rads in a case isn't much of a stretch given modern case airflow designs.

If one is going to use the reference AIO cooler, putting 2 Fury X radiator in any mid or full tower might be a little bit challenging. Since that fan can ONLY be used as exhaust at rear of case and must be placed vertically with pipes coming out from bottom. I own a Fury X and AMD specifically require its user to install the Fury X this way or it will result in poor performance of the cooler.

I think having two Fiji on one PCB is great. Hopefully EKWB can come up with a dual card block so some really rich people can do quadfire with 2 of these.

I was interested in this. Until I saw the release date for the 490X is early June...

I think I'll go with 2 of those in its stead.

490 and 490x are rumored to be paper launched by the end of May and be available one month later.
Me wonders how that would compare to dual Fury...

wccftech.com/amd-polaris-radeon-r9-490x-490-june/

medi01490 and 490x are rumored to be paper launched by the end of May and be available one month later.
Me wonders how that would compare to dual Fury...

wccftech.com/amd-polaris-radeon-r9-490x-490-june/

I wonder how 490/X series cards will perform compared to Fury. If they are made to be faster, then AMD will either have to lower Fury's price or remove it from the market. The only other case is 490/X to be very fast and cost about $700.

the54thvoidReviews will be nice but trivial arguments aside, surely Crossfire Fury X is the obvious better alternative given the Radeon Pro's power envelope.
Putting two Fury X rads in a case isn't much of a stretch given modern case airflow designs.

I dont think crossfire is even worth mentioning as even an AMD rep on YouTube admitted that crossfire was implemented poorly. (ive linked this video before in a previous thread)

FreedomEclipseI dont think crossfire is even worth mentioning as even an AMD rep on YouTube admitted that crossfire was implemented poorly. (ive linked this video before in a previous thread)

can you also post it here?

the54thvoidReviews will be nice but trivial arguments aside, surely Crossfire Fury X is the obvious better alternative given the Radeon Pro's power envelope.
Putting two Fury X rads in a case isn't much of a stretch given modern case airflow designs.

I have two Fury X's stuffed into an Obsidian 350D mATX case. They're actually turned sideways and mounted into the front where the 120mm fans go. Definitely not what AMD recommends, but the work great anyhow.

john_can you also post it here?

Here it is


The videos title kind of gives it away - Crossfire as a whole is finished. its done, Its all over

Quad crossfire (Fury Nanos)

FreedomEclipseI dont think crossfire is even worth mentioning as even an AMD rep on YouTube admitted that crossfire was implemented poorly. (ive linked this video before in a previous thread)

I've just watched the youtube you've posted.
What you stated in this thread is described using one simple word: BULLSHIT.

Raja talks about importance of pushing FOR multi-gpu.
He never says anything bad about crossfire implementation and, why on planet earth would he, when, as tests clearly show, Cross fire is superior to SLI?
iyd.kr/753

medi01I've just watched the youtube you've posted.
What you stated in this thread is described using one simple word: BULLSHIT.

Raja talks about importance of pushing FOR multi-gpu.
He never says anything bad about crossfire implementation and, why on planet earth would he, when, as tests clearly show, Cross fire is superior to SLI?
iyd.kr/753

With multi-gpu setups whats the one most important thing apart from having a good system capable of crossfire?

Drivers - and AMD has been pretty bad with those and they are the reason i switched to nvidia sli after 3 generations of amd crossfire. Don't forget the whole frame dropping issue with crossfire

FreedomEclipseWith multi-gpu setups whats the one most important thing apart from having a good system capable of crossfire?

So, instead of admitting, that you are spreading BS, you are spreading more BS.
Cool story, bro.

Raja said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE to what you are trying to push (are you on NV payroll or doing it for free?)
Namely:
* Multi-GPUs ARE the future
* (Especially) with DX12 and Vulkan it is important that developers are aware/embracing multi-gpu

This leads to things working BETTER in multi-GPU setups (crossfire being one of them) not worse.

PS
Oh, and the "drivers":



iyd.kr/753 (full review)

medi01PS
Oh, and the "drivers":

Might be an idea to link to the benchmarks. Without any actual information it's kind of hard to make any determination. For example, if the scores are aggregated, what titles were used, who (if any) IHV sponsored them, and how mature were drivers in relation to games release?
Here's an example of one of the newer games out : ................and here's the source. Makes for a fairly easy reference no?

medi01....
Raja said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE to what you are trying to push (are you on NV payroll or doing it for free?)
Namely:
* Multi-GPUs ARE the future
* (Especially) with DX12 and Vulkan it is important that developers are aware/embracing multi-gpu

This leads to things working BETTER in multi-GPU setups (crossfire being one of them) not worse.
....

not exactly.
he said that they want to push multi gpu so that it replace cf/sli in dx12/vulcan games. they will continue to support cf (at least till there are sitll dx11 games around) but they want to educate devs to use multi gpu of dx12/vulcan asap so they can off load multi gpu support from dirver to app lvl cause...[add your educated guess here keeping in mind easier&cheaper driver development, no need for per app optimization in drivers, therefore reducing possibilities for nv to show off performance with driver tuning]

ne6togadnonot exactly.
he said that they want to push multi gpu so that it replace cf/sli in dx12/vulcan games. they will continue to support cf (at least till there are sitll dx11 games around) but they want to educate devs to use multi gpu of dx12/vulcan asap so they can off load multi gpu support from dirver to app lvl cause...[add your educated guess here keeping in mind easier&cheaper driver development, no need for per app optimization in drivers, therefore reducing possibilities for nv to show off performance with driver tuning]

Multi GPU as pushed by AMD is therefore probably intended to shore up AMD integrated GPU performance with a discrete Radeon gfx card?
Good all round business. Incremental increases from DX12 benefits if multi GPU instead of hit and miss crossfire support from dev's.

FreedomEclipseDrivers - and AMD has been pretty bad with those and they are the reason i switched to nvidia sli after 3 generations of amd crossfire. Don't forget the whole frame dropping issue with crossfire

AMD now has superior... never mind, please carry on.

jigar2speedAMD now has superior... never mind, please carry on.

Not if I stick to the trusted 362.00 Nvidia branch. But let's not make this a driver thread please.

Point is, two Fiji's on a board at a lower TDP means lower performance than two discrete Fiji cards and both still require dev's to implement good crossfire support.

FWIW, I moved from sli 780ti to a single 980ti for that very reason.

FreedomEclipseHere it is

The videos title kind of gives it away - Crossfire as a whole is finished. its done, Its all over

To me he's basically saying that multi GPU's is bad period and that they plan to make them more like CPU's, so 2 gpu's on the same chip is what they are planning.

AsRockTo me he's basically saying that multi GPU's is bad period and that they plan to make them more like CPU's, so 2 gpu's on the same chip is what they are planning.

that is for future (2019-2020) now they are prepairing software layer for when it comes

Link to detailed review with benchmarks for cross fire vs SLI, with dual, tri and even quad configs
is in my post #11 in this very thread.

AsRockTo me he's basically saying that multi GPU's is bad period

Except he states something completely different, that multi-gpu will be norm rather soon AND devs need to take it into account early enough AND that that is what he is trying to do, getting them involved.

ne6togadnohe said that they want to push multi gpu so that it replace cf/sli in dx12/vulcan games. they will continue to support cf (at least till there are sitll dx11 games around) but they want to educate devs to use multi gpu of dx12/vulcan asap so they can off load multi gpu support from dirver to app lvl cause...[add your educated guess here keeping in mind easier&cheaper driver development, no need for per app optimization in drivers, therefore reducing possibilities for nv to show off performance with driver tuning]

Multi-GPU and crossfire are the same in this context. (people ranting about buying second card)

medi01Multi-GPU and crossfire are the same in this context. (people ranting about buying second card)

I think we're all arguing over semantics. Raja is definitely saying multi GPU is the future to drive displays going forward 2-3 years but the emphasis is on mixing GPU's using DX12 API. People think of sli and crossfire as same card dual config whereas multi GPU is 'all' card config.

@medi01 is technically correct in that point, Raja is NOT saying crossfire is dead so much as multi mixed gpu is the way forward. However, for the lifespan of DX11, it looks like AMD may look away as they focus on the future (as they did with Mantle and GCN with Async). I think AMD DX11 crossfire is going to continually stumble as AMD focuses on the future, placing emphasis on developer relation to make multi GPU DX12 a driver free zone. Again, this is a product focus on helping mix APU and discrete AMD products.

In all honestly, at this point, with a great asynchronous hardware solution and so much work placed on their bare metal API adventures, I think I can see AMD doing very well in the Polaris/Vega time frames. We didnt see enough about Pascal to allay any fears that it is not set up to deal with DX12 as well as AMD has.

Fun times ahead. Much bitchfighting to ensue.

FreedomEclipseHere it is

The videos title kind of gives it away - Crossfire as a whole is finished. its done, Its all over

You didn't get it I guess.

AMD works with open standards. As they moved past Mantle to DirectX 12 and Vulkan, what Raja says is that we must go past CF (and SLI) and take advantage of the new features and capabilities of the new APIs, in the case of DirectX 12 "Multi Adapter". Wouldn't it be better if instead of having two standards, Sli and CF, to have only one? And if DirectX 12 can see the memory on two different cards as unified memory, isn't this one more advantage of Multi Adapter compared to CF AND SLI? Also don't forget that AMD also produces APUs and SOCs, so yes they DO think past CF(and SLI), where every GPU in a system can work together with any other GPU in the system. An Intel iGPU with a discrete. Two discrete cards from different manufacturers work together. The iGPU in an AMD APU with any discrete GPU. On the other hand Nvidia works with proprietary standards. A company that disables PhysX and CUDA, when hardware from another vendor is detected, will NEVER like the idea of something better and open, replacing SLI.

You put words in Raja's mouth because you want to convinse yourself that going to Nvidia was a good idea. Well Crossfire before XDMA was worst than SLI. That period you probably had AMD GPUs. Now that Crossfire is as good or better than SLI, AMD GPUs perform better than more expensive Nvidia products, now that DirectX 12 gives an advantage to AMD GPUs, now that Nvidia's drivers are completely broken, you gone and build an Nvidia SLI. Well, sorry, but your bad choices are not Raja's fault.

Before you ask for a link about Nvidia drivers
WARNING: AVOID 364.72 (march 28) LIKE THE PLAGUE - it's bricking cards left and right - and rollbacks are not working. : nvidia

PS I missed the editorial about latest Nvidia drivers being WHQL crap.

John. Stop being bitter about Btarunr's editorial from last year and move on. It makes you sound like a whining little kid.
I'll back you up on Nvidia's 364 driver branch though, they're not very good. I'm one of the minority that had problems. But, the 362 branch is that good I just miss these ones out.
More pissed currently at The Division's log in probs...

yeah but that is the second/third time that Nvidia releases GPU killing drivers

The 295x2 dominated those numbers on TPU for years. It's time a gamechanger comes in with latest standards & tech. Good to see.