Jack1nIt's pretty consistent from people's reports that they do overclock less than Samsung or even Hynix, there is always the exception but that is generally how it is.

The manufacturer never advertises overclocking speeds and every review has a big disclaimer in their overclocking section. As long as the card runs at its rated speeds, the manufacturer has delivered as promised.

bugThe manufacturer never advertises overclocking speeds and every review has a big disclaimer in their overclocking section. As long as the card runs at its rated speeds, the manufacturer has delivered as promised.

The hardware on my retail sample was not the same as it was on the review sample, to me that is dishonest and matters more then a few mhz.

Solidstate89That's on nVidia, not EVGA. So why should EVGA "say" anything like that?

Well they made and sold the cards right?

I mean it clearly says 4gb proudly in the top left corner there:

www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/Reviews/Graphics/Nvidia/Maxwell/GTX_970/EVGA_SC_ACX_2.0/box-2-EVGA-GTX-970-SC-ACX-2.0.jpg

rtwjunkieHowever, I have gotten Samsungs both right after reviews and at the end of the line, and all three throughout the life. It's whatever is available through supply channels at the time.

See what happens when you put a tinfoil hat on? Reality. :)

Jack1nThe hardware on my retail sample was not the same as it was on the review sample, to me that is dishonest and matters more then a few mhz.

Exactly where did the manufacturer of your card say you'd be getting a particular brand of memory? Did they promise anything? Is it on the box? The website? No Sir, they promised it would run at the rated speed, something all 3 VRAM manufacturers have done.

Also, as I have pointed out, you can just as easily get an exact match for review samples too. I have.

Doesnt matter if EVGA is still "evil" or whatever, in this specific matter they still earn integrity points for not sending tweaked BIOSes to reviewers.

Or, better wording it, they did not lose points, like ASUS and MSI did.

ZoneDymoWell they made and sold the cards right?

I mean it clearly says 4gb proudly in the top left corner there:

www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/Reviews/Graphics/Nvidia/Maxwell/GTX_970/EVGA_SC_ACX_2.0/box-2-EVGA-GTX-970-SC-ACX-2.0.jpg

And? What's your point? nVidia billed it as a 4GB card. It wasn't EVGA that gimped the GDDR5. Your post is meaningless.

rtwjunkieHowever, I have gotten Samsungs both right after reviews and at the end of the line, and all three throughout the life. It's whatever is available through supply channels at the time.

EarthDogSee what happens when you put a tinfoil hat on? Reality. :)

rtwjunkieExactly where did the manufacturer of your card say you'd be getting a particular brand of memory? Did they promise anything? Is it on the box? The website? No Sir, they promised it would run at the rated speed, something all 3 VRAM manufacturers have done.

Also, as I have pointed out, you can just as easily get an exact match for review samples too. I have.

for sure, the truth is not all brands put this practice to use. why it should be making front page news when those that do, do so in such obvious ways.

but the reality is there are some retailers savvy enough to realise which shipments will command the highest price. we all know of places where you can buy prebinned parts, of course for a premium. they keep hold of the shipments from the right batches to maximise profits when they dry up. when people realise the difference they state the version so they can maintain the demand, and the prices caused by the demand.

Solidstate89And? What's your point? nVidia billed it as a 4GB card. It wasn't EVGA that gimped the GDDR5. Your post is meaningless.

Agreed, that was a model problem on Nvidia not anything specific to EVGA did like MSI is doing. Those aren't even remotely comparable.

rtwjunkieActually, it may surprise you that they all do this. Initial memory chips are usually Samsung (or occasionally Hynix), with later batches just as likely to be Hynix or Epida. The manufacturers take what they have available and install it.

Sometines you can get Samsungs at the end of a line as well. It's all lottery.

It don't make it right, to me if a products is said to have Hynix memory chips on it i expect it to have that. It be going right back if it came with Epida chips.

Why ? i want what i pay for and typically epida sucks for overclocking.

Ram sticks it's very common and is always good to check online to find what chips they changed too before buying.

But video cards hell no not having that crap.

rtwjunkieExactly where did the manufacturer of your card say you'd be getting a particular brand of memory? Did they promise anything? Is it on the box? The website? No Sir, they promised it would run at the rated speed, something all 3 VRAM manufacturers have done.

Also, as I have pointed out, you can just as easily get an exact match for review samples too. I have.

True, but still don't make it right.

jaggerwildFor them to make this statement is an insult to everyone who owns the products, as EVGA is no snow white! Didn't they claim Rviatuner but called it percision X15? FAIL! Oh the fan boyz must be up in arm's.....................................
www.guru3d.com/news-story/evga-steals-the-rivatuner-rtss-design-concept-into-precisionx-15.html

What do you think MSI afterburner is based on?

R-T-BWhat do you think MSI afterburner is based on?

Actually, they still work with the creator. It was EVGA that tried to claim sole intellectual ownership, and when the creator balked at the paltry deal, EVGA sent him packing. The then basically said "what we use now has no basis in what was developed. It is our own and only our own."

rtwjunkieActually, they still work with the creator. It was EVGA that tried to claim sole intellectual ownership, and when the creator balked at the paltry deal, EVGA sent him packing. The then basically said "what we use now has no basis in what was developed. It is our own and only our own."

Thanks for the backstory, did not know that.

R-T-BThanks for the backstory, did not know that.

No problem! Not that EVGA cares, but it is why I will not use Precision X. Besides, since they got their fingers in it all alone, they mucked it up, and it is no longer as easy to use (IMO) as Afterburner.

Solidstate89And? What's your point? nVidia billed it as a 4GB card. It wasn't EVGA that gimped the GDDR5. Your post is meaningless.

So the person actually making and selling the card has no blame for anything?
The company that actually gets you the product....no responsibility...at all?
Relaying the bs someone else told you to further that idea...no responsibility.

Boy if we live in your world thats a mighty comfortable position to be in, luckily we dont.

dozenfuryAgreed, that was a model problem on Nvidia not anything specific to EVGA did like MSI is doing. Those aren't even remotely comparable.

Let me put it this way, if you buy a car from lets say BMW.
The BMW has a flawed airbag that deploys out of nowhere.
You are wounded by this, who do you sue? well BMW because they got you the car.
It was their responsibility to see if everything was in working order before selling you the product.
Now sure, BMW will probably sue and/or perhaps cut ties with the manufacture of those airbags, but that is non of your concern, thats on them.

Point is, the company that sells you something simply has responsibility and in this case EVGA proudly puts on their box the 4gb of ram that the card does not have so they are lying to you so yes, they are to blame and every other company relaying the message as well.

Jack1nThe hardware on my retail sample was not the same as it was on the review sample, to me that is dishonest and matters more then a few mhz.

Well, yes. Nothing besides the GPU is advertised by the manufacturer, so I don't know why you think you should be getting the same parts as the review sample. The very reason behind engineering standards is to enable parts swapping and supplier switching without having to design a whole new product.
It's not like EVGA told you you'll get a GTX 970 with Samsung memory, Nichicon capacitors, CHiL VRM and you got something else instead. They simply told you you'll get a GTX 970. And you got one.
You're acting like a kid that wants the exact ice cream he saw other kid eating.