So as everyone should already know, x870 (without the "e") is actually a downgrade compared to the previous generation.
It has the same chipset config as b650/b650e, with a single promontory 21, whereas the x670 and x670e have two of those daisy chained.

Given how USB4 is now mandatory, mobos that didn't have it before will need to sacrifice some PCIe lanes to accomodate it now.

Apart from that, there were no real chipset changes, it's the same promontory 21 chip being used like the previous gen.

I wonder how the B850 chipset will differ from the x870 one. If it's going to be just the NVMe being capped at PCIe 4.0, it will really canibalize x870.

igormpSo as everyone should already know, x870 (without the "e") is actually a downgrade compared to the previous generation.
It has the same chipset config as b650/b650e, with a single promontory 21, whereas the x670 and x670e have two of those daisy chained.

Given how USB4 is now mandatory, mobos that didn't have it before will need to sacrifice some PCIe lanes to accomodate it now.

Apart from that, there were no real chipset changes, it's the same promontory 21 chip being used like the previous gen.

I wonder how the B850 chipset will differ from the x870 one. If it's going to be just the NVMe being capped at PCIe 4.0, it will really canibalize x870.

I'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

What are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

Hm, the X870 boards are priced like X670E despite far fewer PCIe lanes and a chipset less.. Overpriced refresh..

Well, I am far more interested in what B850 will be priced. I reckon that those will be the go-to boards for most people. As mentioned above, the base X870 especially looks like a dead on arrival exercise in pointlessness.

Super Firm TofuI'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

I think It's more AMD wants an unique selling preposition. Mainly USB4, WIFI 7 and PCIE 5.0 16 lanes mechanical slot for the graphic card.

I hope buyers are aware of the following. Many mainboards have add in cards to add the USB 4 functionality from the manufacturer. Most important the Wattage of those USB4 ports from the add in card is sometimes much higher as from those new 870 AMD mainboards.

When you use an add in card with usb 4 like MSI and ASUS have on their homepage you have to wire manually the DP in port. So you could wire from your graphic card to the usb 4 add in card the display port signal. I doubt that this is possible with an onboard usb 4 port on the mainboard most of the cases.

Super Firm TofuWhat are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

USB 4 is dead on arrival. It should have been up to 5 devices in daisy chain which includes two displays. When I need an extra power cord for a display it's kinda useless for myself.

I do not get the point for daisy chain with usb 4. I understand the basics. It makes sense for a bus on a printed circuit board. For usb it does not make sense. We already have USB 3.x hubs. Sometimes included in keyboard and monitors. One "input" line (yes i know a bus is bidirectonal) and at least one "output" for an usb hub.

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In my area some mainboards were listened for several days. For around a day they are listened without a shipping date. A paper launch without any goods in central europe.

I miscalculated on a price drop for older existing AM5 mainboards.

AMD managed to segment the boards more so only X870E is a bit of an upgrade to myself. X870 or below chipsets are just not worth it.

If you don't need USB4 I find it hard to see the point in a lot of these over X670E, many just have worse PCIe allocation for what I would want and on top are just going to cost more. I'm glad to see more boards with error codes and onboard power and reset again though, those shouldn't be high end features.

Super Firm TofuI'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

What are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

I personally like USB4, my B550 ProArt has it and I use it (with the video passthrough) to connect my desktop into my USB-C KVM switch with a singel cable, which then goes to my 4k TV and peripherals.

Not sure how relevant it is for the average gamer though, I'd assume not much (if at all).

Super Firm TofuI'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

I don't think everyone does. On the other hand, I believe you can thank Intel for this and their push for Thunderbolt in everything, which again, no-one is really using.

Super Firm TofuWhat are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

Same stuff they connect to their Thunderbolt ports, just at a lower cost. So largely nothing on the desktop, docking stations on notebooks.

I really hate motherboard naming schemes, especially AMD's naming scheme since the 600 series. It's terrible and can cause massive confusion for the consumer. The E is not a needed suffix. In fact, drop the prefix X and suffix E, use X2 as a suffix for the dual chipset motherboards. Also, why skip #60?.

Simplify and make the naming scheme make sense. A is the highest tier, B is the second, C is the third, and Sequence your numbers so they make sense like so:
X870E > A880 or A870X2
X870 > B870 or A870
B850 > C860 or B860
B840 > D850 or C850

Now no one is confused on what tier of motherboard they're getting.

Just ordered my ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI, it costed $30 less than the X670E version.
The X870 is just a fancy name for the X670S

Heh.

thegnomeHm, the X870 boards are priced like X670E despite far fewer PCIe lanes and a chipset less.. Overpriced refresh..

The X870 is basically a B650E with USB 4 added to it.

Overpriced? Absolutely. There is no real reason why anyone who has a last generation's motherboard to upgrade.

If you have noticed the theme of AMD lately, the 9000 series of CPU was MEH!!!
These mother boards are MEH!!!
We are in the New AMD MEH!!! Generation....

Nothing more than a refresh with bells and whisles and a NEW price TAG...TAG...TAG...

I just crosschecked from my existing X670 Prime-P Mainboard the newer ASUS Prime X870-P Mainboard

www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-x870-p-wifi/techspec/

WIFI 7 seems to lock you in to Windows 11. Gnu Linux - Freebsd and other operating systems not supported or possible.

For Windows 10, please note that no driver is available , please refer to the Wi-Fi chipset vendor's website for details.

Happy explaining to a newbie why something does not work. Raid 5 works only with Ryzen 9000 (software raid?)
(the following list is about the M2 NVME storage bays on the mainboard)

* AMD RAIDXpert2 Technology supports both PCIe RAID 0/1/5/10 and SATA RAID 0/1. RAID 5 Function is only supported by AMD Ryzen™ 9000 series CPU.
** PCIEX16(G4)_1 shares bandwidth with M.2_2. PCIEX16(G4)_1 will be disabled when M.2_2 runs.
*** PCIEX16(G4)_2 and PCIEX16(G4)_3 share bandwidth with M.2_3. PCIEX16(G4)_2 and PCIEX16(G4)_3 will be disabled when M.2_3 runs.
**** M.2_4 shares bandwidth with SATA6G_1 and SATA6G_2. M.2_4 will be disabled when SATA6G_1 or SATA6G_2 runs.

Lane sharing which disables something.

AMD X870 Chipset
3 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slots (support x1 mode)***
*** PCIEX16(G4)_1 shares bandwidth with M.2_2. PCIEX16(G4)_1 will be disabled when M.2_2 runs.
*** PCIEX16(G4)_2 and PCIEX16(G4)_3 share bandwidth with M.2_3. PCIEX16(G4)_2 and PCIEX16(G4)_3 will be disabled when M.2_3 runs.

Same bigger list for the 8000 processors which I will not post now. Which will confuse more a newbie.

csendesmarkJust ordered my ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI, it costed $30 less than the X670E version.
The X870 is just a fancy name for the X670S

There's no X670S, I think you confuse it with the X570S which was just an updated SKU of the X570 that could run with passive cooling.
X870 is the B650E plus the ASM4242.

_roman_WIFI 7 seems to lock you in to Windows 11

yeah, just checked the driver site for the ProArt and for W10 they not giving real support.
Disgusting...
Not even for the 10Gbit LAN, yet the W11 driver seems to have the W10 files.

TheLostSwedeThere's no X670S, I think you confuse it with the X570S

I am not confusing anything, but the lack of real innovation. Sarcastically: this X870 should be called as X670S as the X570 later got a slightly better X570S version which is not even listed on AMD's site
hence no innovation there

_roman_Gnu Linux - Freebsd and other operating systems not supported or possible.

I don't think your current x670 lists support for anything other than windows as well.

Your current wifi is a realtek one. The manual for those new x870 mobos is not available yet, so we can't know which exact wireless chipset they're using, but I'd bet it's already supported on linux, and that the vendor has drivers available for Windows 10.

Super Firm TofuI'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

What are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone wants USB3. For that matter, I also wonder about USB2 and USB1. And quick frankly why USB at all when we had PS/2, RS232 and parallel. Even those were overboard to just a 5-pin DIN. Who needs a mouse with all those keyboard short-cuts?

DavenI'm still trying to figure out why everyone wants USB3. For that matter, I also wonder about USB2 and USB1. And quick frankly why USB at all when we had PS/2, RS232 and parallel. Even those were overboard to just a 5-pin DIN. Who needs a mouse with all those keyboard short-cuts?

So you don't have an answer.

Super Firm TofuSo you don't have an answer.

My post was a very, very clear answer.

Super Firm TofuWhat are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

Did not see your post first, sorry
If I get there, I certainly will get one of this:
ProGrade Digital CFexpress Type B USB 4
For example

Super Firm TofuI'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

What are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

Vibrators, of course! :roll: :D

csendesmarkDid not see your post first, sorry
If I get there, I certainly will get one of this:
ProGrade Digital CFexpress Type B USB 4
For example

I understand all of the niche applications of USB4/TB. My point was why are we making these ports mandatory and giving up PCIe slots or NVMe drives for it?

Additional or optional, sure.

Gmr_ChickVibrators, of course! :roll: :D

This is the reply I was looking for. Please consider my question answered.

:lovetpu:

@Nomad76 @TheLostSwede

Any chance we can get the whole slide deck from AMD's presentation? I start missing AnandTech. :(

Super Firm TofuI understand all of the niche applications of USB4/TB. My point was why are we making these ports mandatory and giving up PCIe slots or NVMe drives for it?

Additional or optional, sure.

That is only mandatory for the top chipsets X870 & X870E
The original USB 3.0 (5Gbps) 15 years ago and now the standard is the USB 3.1 gen1 (10Gbps) been released 11 years ago.
That is longer time between USB2.0 and USB3.0. So it is a good time to push for USB4
I think this is a hard limit for portable storage (portable SSD-s) like Samsung T7, you will see, those are usually do 500~800 MB/s.
Would be nice to see that limitation lifted!

Also would like to see that USB3 mess with USB3.0, USB3.1 gen1, USB3.1 gen2 and USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 :slap:

Hmm, aside from lack of USB 4.0, B650 is perfectly fine then and dont need anything beyond that for AM5 as far as I am concerned.

Where is MSI X870E Godlike?