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Intel "Coffee Lake" Company's First 6-core Mainstream SKU

Nov 19th, 2016 14:00 Discuss (46 Comments)

Intel's upcoming "Coffee Lake" micro-architecture, or the 9th generation Core processor family by Intel, is scheduled for launch in the second half of 2018. It succeeds the 8th generation "Cannon Lake" family of notebook processors (which likely doesn't see a desktop launch), and the 7th Gen Core "Kaby Lake" socket LGA1151 processors slated for January 2017. While it's not known if mainstream desktop "Coffee Lake" chips will continue to be based on the LGA1151 socket, the possibility is diminishing, looking at a platform layout diagram leaked to the web by Benchlife.info, supported by new connectivity interfaces coming out of the CPU package. The biggest selling-point of "Coffee Lake," is its core-count.

The 9th generation Core "Coffee Lake" family could introduce Intel's first 6-core processor to the mainstream desktop platform. The company's first 6-core client part was launched in its LGA1366 HEDT (high-end desktop) platform with the Core i7 "Gulftown" processor, way back in 2010. An increase in core-count from 4 has eluded the mainstream-desktop lineup. The 6-core "Coffee Lake" silicon will be built on a highly-refined 14 nm node by Intel, with a die-size of 149 mm². Quad-core parts won't be carved out of this silicon by disabling two cores, but rather be built on a smaller 126 mm² die. For reference, the quad-core "Kaby Lake" die is expected to be 123 mm², and the current quad-core "Skylake-D" die measures 122.6 mm².

Source: BenchLife.info

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46 Comments on Intel "Coffee Lake" Company's First 6-core Mainstream SKU

#26

ppn

I can't see myself upgrading from sandy. If all it takes for them is to add another 23 mm² to the die size. Well frankly i want another two cores. Everybody would want, but can't afford it. So it will take another 5 years for them to add another 14 mm² so it seems. And by the time they actually do it it will be 7nm 7 mm² per core. just the cores and adjacent L3 cache minus the integrated video. It is the same for 4+2 and 6+2 configurations, where "+2" represents 2 gpu cores..

#27

ensabrenoir

......intel's gonna do what ever is most profitable.... even if Zen does manifest...doubt it'll factor in too much. Be a shame if the mighty Zen is laid low by an unlocked i3. The hardware we have far out paces the current the software requirements. Hopefully the still evolving virtual/augmented reality and A.I. sector jump starts this whole feild.

#28

$ReaPeR$

FordGT90ConceptIntel is feeling the Zen.

Edit: Also, 14nm!?! Moore's Law is KIA. Broadwell -> Skylake -> Kaby Lake -> Coffee Lake

finally some competition, and this is the result. great! :D

#29

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

FordGT90ConceptIntel is losing as much, or more, business to ARM than AMD. Intel needs to get power consumption and price down to compete and the best way to do that is better nodes.

I don't think Intel is deliberately holding 10nm off. They would if they could.

I don't think you realize how inexpensive it is for Intel to manufacture those CPU's. Their per cpu cost would make your eye twitch. They are a for profit company and they are quite good at it.

#30

Meh, those 2 extra cores will come with a huge price premium and by then Intel will have stripped the OC capability from the mainstream and moved to HEDT platform....

#31

doudou

i hope this is true and intel would release for mainstream 6 core CPUs
hope it gonna be like this i7 = 6C/12T i5 =4C/8T i3 =4C/4T and some low cost model 2C/4T and maybe get rid of the pentium 2C/2T or make it 2C/4T
if this gonna happen i5s gonna be best for gaming and light edit and i7s will gonna be best bank for buck for multi-threaded application and gaming/streams(recording) and editing
i say i5s gonna be better for gaming mainly because is most likely that i5s will overclock better and thus have a better single core performance for old games by that time :cool: DX11 games and older :laugh:

#32

64K

I think part of Intel slowing down on CPU performance upgrades is due to past AMD lack of competition but also we're probably reaching the limit of what silicon has to offer and also Intel is probably asking do we really need more CPU performance for the average user right now and answering no. The next big increase probably won't come until Intel uses a new material besides silicon but how expensive will that be to get them their? Intel is a hugely profitable company. I wouldn't worry that they will allow themselves to go downhill against AMD.

#33

Vario

A lot of assumptions in this thread are that AMD will be successful on Zen. We don't know anything until it drops. People said the same thing about pre launch bulldozer µ-arch vs sandy bridge.

I hope Zen jump starts some real innovation from Intel this time around.

#34

Ubersonic

Nice, this knee-jerk reaction to Zen means we're going to see some serious competition in 2017, and the winner will be: the consumers :D

*EDIT*

Wait, 2018? What's their plan here to hope it makes people wait a year before upgrading? lol.

#35

ensabrenoir

......wow.......simply......WOW!!!!! Amd has the most loyal and optimistic fan base ever. If they sold hats, shirts and sweat shirts....they'd make a killing.....

#36

TheGuruStud

ensabrenoir......wow.......simply......WOW!!!!! Amd has the most loyal and optimistic fan base ever. If they sold hats, shirts and sweat shirts....they'd make a killing.....

No one can beat Intel dullards. They swore up and down that Intel was always the fastest (and coolest lolz) even during the good times of athlon XP/64.

One synthetic bentmark was enough to reaffrim their beliefs.

#37

64K

ensabrenoir......wow.......simply......WOW!!!!! Amd has the most loyal and optimistic fan base ever. If they sold hats, shirts and sweat shirts....they'd make a killing.....

I think it's because AMD is the underdog so some emotion gets involved but I hope Zen is good competition with Intel's Kaby Lake and later Cannonlake. Markets are much healthier when there is competition.

#38

Arnulf

ZeDestructorCalled it a over year ago that if Zen was any good Intel would just readjust pricing and tiers to put 6 cores into the mainstream. You were quite dismissive then... In fact, I even called out KNL or CNL (CFL hadn't been roadmapped at the time) as the time when Intel would approve that SKU.

So you were wrong then and still keep spouting same nonsense?

There are no mainstream (= non-HEDT) 6-core Intel chips coming out in the near future, and most certainly not in either of the two upcoming families.

Intel is not readjusting product tiers and bringing HEDT chips down into mainstream price range.

Intel is only rumored to introduce 6-core mainstream CPUs in late 2018 (which could easily end up being early 2019, given the longer release cycle between two iterations of the same design, i.e. Skylake to Kaby Lake), almost two years after Zen launch.

#39

Prima.Vera

64K...also Intel is probably asking do we really need more CPU performance for the average user right now and answering no.

Again, that's a complete pile of crap and everyone knows it. Of course we need more CPU performance, even for games. There are a lot of videos on the internets showing how you can put even a 24 core Xeon to its knees, by enabling advanced A.I. settings in some games, like making NPCs actually dynamic and doing stuff instead of static statues ; advanced physics and particle effects that are still done on CPUs, multiple characters on the screen on the same time doing different things, etc, etc.
Do you still think we don't need any more CPU power? :))
P.S.
Yeah, I am considering myself an average user, but I would still love to play a realistic game from time to time ;)

#40

slozomby

Prima.VeraAgain, that's a complete pile of crap and everyone knows it. Of course we need more CPU performance, even for games. There are a lot of videos on the internets showing how you can put even a 24 core Xeon to its knees, by enabling advanced A.I. settings in some games, like making NPCs actually dynamic and doing stuff instead of static statues ; advanced physics and particle effects that are still done on CPUs, multiple characters on the screen on the same time doing different things, etc, etc.
Do you still think we don't need any more CPU power? :))
P.S.
Yeah, I am considering myself an average user, but I would still love to play a realistic game from time to time ;)

back In the day that's what math coprocessors were for.
its not like there aren't current options for offloading that type of stuff off the main cpu.

#41

Fluffmeister

2018? Yeah they don't give a shit about Zen. Looking forward to the reviews, the tears... and the tantrums.

#42

64K

Prima.VeraAgain, that's a complete pile of crap and everyone knows it. Of course we need more CPU performance, even for games. There are a lot of videos on the internets showing how you can put even a 24 core Xeon to its knees, by enabling advanced A.I. settings in some games, like making NPCs actually dynamic and doing stuff instead of static statues ; advanced physics and particle effects that are still done on CPUs, multiple characters on the screen on the same time doing different things, etc, etc.
Do you still think we don't need any more CPU power? :))
P.S.
Yeah, I am considering myself an average user, but I would still love to play a realistic game from time to time ;)

You misread my post. I didn't say that I thought we don't need any more CPU performance increase. I was speculating on what Intel probably thought about do we really need more performance for the average user and answering no.

#43

Ubersonic

TheGuruStudNo one can beat Intel dullards. They swore up and down that Intel was always the fastest (and coolest lolz) even during the good times of athlon XP/64.

The sad thing is that even when the Athlon XP/64 had their balls in the Pentium IVs mouth, Intel were still outselling AMD because their name was so strong >.>

#44

Ferrum Master

UbersonicThe sad thing is that even when the Athlon XP/64 had their balls in the Pentium IVs mouth, Intel were still outselling AMD because their name was so strong >.>

Because most mid tier k7 AMD boards sucked and nforce2 was pricey. Everyone knew that and did not want to risk, so buisness solutions chose mostly intel.

Anyway. 2018. A new motherboard again. It looks like Intel is earning more from PCH than the cpu's...

Hex core isn't something that performance blessing. How good it clocks matters more.

I really hope the next HEDT will be a true long living platform. I don't care for consumer segment really. There are many variables that could screw it up.

#45

Prima.Vera

64KYou misread my post. I didn't say that I thought we don't need any more CPU performance increase. I was speculating on what Intel probably thought about do we really need more performance for the average user and answering no.

Sorry! :) I should have put "Intel" instead of "you". :D

#46

ratirt

Coffee lake? I don't drink coffee. When they release tea lake or drink lake :P That shouldn't take long. Soon we are going to buy intel cause of it's tricky code name not performance wise :P Vodka lake should have a kick :P I'd wait for that though :P

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