krukHere folks, is a prime example why AMD cards are selling poorly:

RX460: 2 models
RX470: 2 models
RX480: 5 models

1050: 6 models
1050 Ti: 6 models
1060: 18 models
1070: 8 models
1080: 13 models

Thanks Gigabyte! I'm sure the RX460 with sub 75W power would explode if it would have a single fan and/or ITX version!

You can believe Gigabyte doesn't know how to sell or it molds their products after the market. Your choice.

bugYou can believe Gigabyte doesn't know how to sell or it molds their products after the market. Your choice.

I actually think they put ZERO effort in the RX400 series. I own their 460, here are some of the cards problems:

- the default voltage is way to high and the card never reaches the full boost under max load. If I undervolt it for ~100 mV it stays at the full boost clock and it's stable
- the 1% overclock over the reference clocks is a joke

The worst part of the card are the fans:
- they buzz when they are spinning up from idle. If you are browsing the web and scrolling it's like having a beehive inside your PC
- the most recent available bios has even worse fan curve profile than the default and as an bonus, the card runs much hotter with it

I owned their HD 7750 before and it was quiet, fast and a great overclocker, but their RX400 series build quality is just plain awful.

krukHere folks, is a prime example why AMD cards are selling poorly:

RX460: 2 models
RX470: 2 models
RX480: 5 models

1050: 6 models
1050 Ti: 6 models
1060: 18 models
1070: 8 models
1080: 13 models

Thanks Gigabyte! I'm sure the RX460 with sub 75W power would explode if it would have a single fan and/or ITX version!

where did you come up with this? Where I'm from retailers sell at least 15 models of RX 460 (sapphire, powercolor, xfx, asus, msi, gigabyte, each with 2, even 3 models, and 17 models of RX 470, ranging from blower type cooler, single fan top cooler (RedDragon V2) and the usual slew of dual fan models, some with 4 and some with 8GB of ram, and a whopping 25 models of the RX 480 with different cooler types, 8 or 4gb of ram and varying degrees of OC.

Also RX 470 cards are outselling the 3GB 1060 by 2:1 here. The RX 480 isn't doing as good - sales barely equal the 6gb GTX 1060. If AMD would drop prices a little bit the 480 would sell better.

The 460 doesn't sell very well here. People favor the cheaper GTX 750 or the faster GTX 1050 (non-ti). The 460 should have been either faster, or cheaper.

krukI actually think they put ZERO effort in the RX400 series. I own their 460, here are some of the cards problems:

- the default voltage is way to high and the card never reaches the full boost under max load. If I undervolt it for ~100 mV it stays at the full boost clock and it's stable
- the 1% overclock over the reference clocks is a joke

The worst part of the card are the fans:
- they buzz when they are spinning up from idle. If you are browsing the web and scrolling it's like having a beehive inside your PC
- the most recent available bios has even worse fan curve profile than the default and as an bonus, the card runs much hotter with it

I owned their HD 7750 before and it was quiet, fast and a great overclocker, but their RX400 series build quality is just plain awful.

The 470 is much, much better. I bought a PowerColor RedDragon V2 4GB 470 for my guest gaming PC, and not only is it quiet (despite the questionable cooling solution), it's also very cool and easily matches the GTX 970 in most games (surpassing it in DX12 / vulkan).

I do agree that the 460 is a joke, but I have the same opinion of the GTX 750, the 960 and the 1050ti. The 750 is too slow for my taste, and it never dipped under 150 euro until this summer (in my area at least). The 960 is way too slow for what it costs. It's direct competitor, the 380x being faster (a lot faster in some games) while costing the same. As for the 1050ti - would you believe there's models that cost almost the same as a 3gb 1060 / 4gb rx 470 in my country? And those are much faster cards - up to 50% faster! In fact there's an Asus model selling for 215 euro, while the much faster afformentioned Powercolor RedDragon V2 sells for 208 euro in the same store... (I got it on sale for Christmas for 184 euro)

kanecvrwhere did you come up with this? Where I'm from retailers sell at least 15 models of RX 460 (sapphire, powercolor, xfx, asus, msi, gigabyte, each with 2, even 3 models, and 17 models of RX 470, ranging from blower type cooler, single fan top cooler (RedDragon V2) and the usual slew of dual fan models, some with 4 and some with 8GB of ram, and a whopping 25 models of the RX 480 with different cooler types, 8 or 4gb of ram and varying degrees of OC.

Also RX 470 cards are outselling the 3GB 1060 by 2:1 here. The RX 480 isn't doing as good - sales barely equal the 6gb GTX 1060. If AMD would drop prices a little bit the 480 would sell better.

The 460 doesn't sell very well here. People favor the cheaper GTX 750 or the faster GTX 1050 (non-ti). The 460 should have been either faster, or cheaper.



The 470 is much, much better. I bought a PowerColor RedDragon V2 4GB 470 for my guest gaming PC, and not only is it quiet (despite the questionable cooling solution), it's also very cool and easily matches the GTX 970 in most games (surpassing it in DX12 / vulkan).

I do agree that the 460 is a joke, but I have the same opinion of the GTX 750, the 960 and the 1050ti. The 750 is too slow for my taste, and it never dipped under 150 euro until this summer (in my area at least). The 960 is way too slow for what it costs. It's direct competitor, the 380x being faster (a lot faster in some games) while costing the same. As for the 1050ti - would you believe there's models that cost almost the same as a 3gb 1060 / 4gb rx 470 in my country? And those are much faster cards - up to 50% faster! In fact there's an Asus model selling for 215 euro, while the much faster afformentioned Powercolor RedDragon V2 sells for 208 euro in the same store... (I got it on sale for Christmas for 184 euro)

I'm actually talking about Gigabyte lineup in first and second quote. I think the cut down Polaris 11 chip is OK, but it should be named RX 450 and be much cheaper.

silentbogoFound it! Though, it was not Palit, but Inno3D!
That cooling solution is very similar, and even has space for a shroud on top.
I think that's also the 2nd gen. GT730 w/ 1GB GDDR5

That's a surprisingly capable GPU you've got there. I had the GT530 with 2GB DDR3 and it was bandwitdh starved like crazy. I went through most of Warlords pf Draenor on it, at 1680x1050, coupled with a e8400!

Why on earth does this and the MSI version not include a removable DVI port to make the IO single-slot? The 750 ti version did.

Pain in the ass for those of us with Lone Industries cases.

MnkyBrsWhy on earth does this and the MSI version not include a removable DVI port to make the IO single-slot? The 750 ti version did.

Pain in the ass for those of us with Lone Industries cases.

I don't think there have been a card with "removable" dvi port. Do you meant to say removable VGA port.

I kind of understand AIBs pain for removing dvi port, which is dual link dvi adapters costs arm and leg.

jabbadapI don't think there have been a card with "removable" dvi port. Do you meant to say removable VGA port.

I kind of understand AIBs pain for removing dvi port, which is dual link dvi adapters costs arm and leg.

Yeah, you're right. Still, very frustrating. I can always mod the case, but I'd rather not.

jabbadapI don't think there have been a card with "removable" dvi port. Do you meant to say removable VGA port.

I kind of understand AIBs pain for removing dvi port, which is dual link dvi adapters costs arm and leg.

Counterpoint: how many people are there out there buying a monitor that needs DL-DVI but can't spare $60 to buy the DP to DL-DVI adapter?

ZeDestructorCounterpoint: how many people are there out there buying a monitor that needs DL-DVI but can't spare $60 to buy the DP to DL-DVI adapter?

Can one even buy a monitor these days with only a dvi port, used maybe(well yeah should not answer question with question, sorry about that). More like existing old gaming monitors have only dual link dvis and people don't usually wan't to update perfectly working monitor(single link means 1080p60Hz).

But yeah of course card would be better without that relic dvi connector. Without DL-DVI as a standard in the first place that would be a case, just add cheap dp2dvi adapter like there were dvi2vga adapters and be done with it.

krukI'm actually talking about Gigabyte lineup in first and second quote. I think the cut down Polaris 11 chip is OK, but it should be named RX 450 and be much cheaper.

Agreed. The performance gap between the 460 and 470 is huge. The marketing guy at AMD who came up with the product placement should be fired immediately.

jabbadapCan one even buy a monitor these days with only a dvi port, used maybe(well yeah should not answer question with question, sorry about that). More like existing old gaming monitors have only dual link dvis and people don't usually wan't to update perfectly working monitor(single link means 1080p60Hz).

But yeah of course card would be better without that relic dvi connector. Without DL-DVI as a standard in the first place that would be a case, just add cheap dp2dvi adapter like there were dvi2vga adapters and be done with it.

While true, it's also true that people don't generally go from being able to afford $1000+ monitors with only DL-DVI inputs to not being able to afford a $60 adapter.

NB: I'm discounting the $300 Korean specials because of how small that particular market is compared to the global market of >1080p60 monitors).