cdawallI don't think there is unless AMD plans to double the bandwidth of infinity fabric in HEDT which has not been on anything so is doubtful they will be limited by their own modular design.

I don't know about that , looking at 4k+ Ryzen has no issues , equalling intels fps throughput within a small margin in most cases bar a few games that were compiled with intel only in mind, the software and driver landscape will change and there's some unknowns regarding infinity fabric , its definitely very scalable for one and Amd are putting it in vega too which might allow performance thats unexpected through the pciex bus with an all amd system , utilising infinity fabric protocols all the way through the heart of the system, could be good.

theoneandonlymrkI don't know about that , looking at 4k+ Ryzen has no issues , equalling intels fps throughput within a small margin in most cases bar a few games that were compiled with intel only in mind, the software and driver landscape will change and there's some unknowns regarding infinity fabric , its definitely very scalable for one and Amd are putting it in vega too which might allow performance thats unexpected through the pciex bus with an all amd system , utilising infinity fabric protocols all the way through the heart of the system, could be good.

Equaling the 6900K which is already a year old, there were already IPC and multithreading increases with SL/KL, not huge, but improvements.

Remember every single time AMD adds a CCX for it to crosstalk to other CCX units it has to go across the infinity fabric, this will still have a loss compared to Intel's approach much in the same way that Intel had issues talking across the FSB for the Q6600.

The reason 4K shows less loss is we are talking about something relatively GPU bound instead of CPU bound so of course it will show less loss, that being said if there is a lower performance at 1080P as GPU's increase in performance that will carry forward into 1440P and 2160P.

We are also far from AMD having custom protocols for GPU/CPU talk. As it sits the CPU/CPU talk is already having issues inside of the CPU. Now add more CCX units, more CPU's as a whole and expect a GPU to squeeze in there right now? Well not with current generation problems. Maybe after they pump the interconnect speed up.

I am still quite impressed with the performance of Ryzen however, there are teething issues that are bad enough to turn people away from the platform.

The name is awesome.
For some reason this popped up from the dark depths of my memory:

GasarakiSo stupid. My brand name is Tacodestroyer.

NO!!, my name is Tacodestroyer, will the real Tacodestroyer please stand up.

cdawallEqualing the 6900K which is already a year old, there were already IPC and multithreading increases with SL/KL, not huge, but improvements.

Remember every single time AMD adds a CCX for it to crosstalk to other CCX units it has to go across the infinity fabric, this will still have a loss compared to Intel's approach much in the same way that Intel had issues talking across the FSB for the Q6600.

The reason 4K shows less loss is we are talking about something relatively GPU bound instead of CPU bound so of course it will show less loss, that being said if there is a lower performance at 1080P as GPU's increase in performance that will carry forward into 1440P and 2160P.

We are also far from AMD having custom protocols for GPU/CPU talk. As it sits the CPU/CPU talk is already having issues inside of the CPU. Now add more CCX units, more CPU's as a whole and expect a GPU to squeeze in there right now? Well not with current generation problems. Maybe after they pump the interconnect speed up.

I am still quite impressed with the performance of Ryzen however, there are teething issues that are bad enough to turn people away from the platform.

I don't rate intels ring bus design tbh , and since Amd control everything in a all Amd system from the core to the core they could do what they want ,it's all still possible if unlikely , probably kind of being betad with this generation possibly, in house, and a bit like nvidias new interconnect.

Still no ageesa update around so can't say too much for or against issues and i do have experience with Ryzen and its known issues.
Not withstanding they have appeal and perform well.

Sound likes its time to bring in these classics :p



With that said its great AMD can give intel a punch where it hurts the most right in there money bank. Cause i hope this will force intel to lower there stupid priced CPU´s right now.

TomgangWith that said its great AMD can give intel a punch where it hurts the most right in there money bank. Cause i hope this will force intel to lower there stupid priced CPU´s right now.

It's gonna be a long time before it's a punch though sadly, a single Intel quarter would make AMD happy over.... 2-3 years.

FluffmeisterIt's gonna be a long time before it's a punch though sadly, a single Intel quarter would make AMD happy over.... 2-3 years.

Well every thing starts small and then work its way up right.

Im not in a hurry to replace my X58 system any way, i can wait a while longer before intel lower there prices hope fully.

TomgangWell every thing starts small and then work its way up right.

Im not in a hurry to replace my X58 system any way, i can wait a while longer before intel lower there prices hope fully.

For sure, as you know I'm in the same boat as you anyway. Been very tempted by Ryzen but I'm gonna hold fire and let all the teething issues disappear, that and the need for worlds most expensive DDR4 to extract another few FPS currently. I'm patient, and Zen+ will remain on my radar.

The talk of financial punches when AMD still lose millions is... premature, tis all.

cdawallSeriously AMD? Just stop. "high end gamers" aren't in the market for 16 core chips so unless they are releasing a quad/hex core with a huge clock speed increase Intel still holds the platform for "high end gamers"

I'm in the market for it at the right price. 8 core? Shheeiiiiittt, I can really game and reencode some stuff simultaneously with 16. Background crap eats cycles alive, too.

FluffmeisterFor sure, as you know I'm in the same boat as you anyway. Been very tempted by Ryzen but I'm gonna hold fire and let all the teething issues disappear, that and the need for worlds most expensive DDR4 to extract another few FPS currently. I'm patient, and Zen+ will remain on my radar.

The talk of financial punches when AMD still lose millions is... premature, tis all.

Yeah X58 is still a great platform and i am amazed by how well it still plays even the latest games af high or even ultra settings still.

But i cut not let this slide: Intel i7 920 @ Stock speeds baby. Are you really running this puppy stock, it screams at you and begs to be overclock and i can darn recommend it aswell. You can really feel a difference from stock to like 4 GHz in daily use aswell as in games. Before i got me an I7 980X i also had an I7 920 so i know what i am talking about and its not like i dies from oc if done propperly. mine ran 4 years at 4 GHz before i sold it and still going strong.

If you have and upgrade need then why not try an find a 6 core X58 cpu Xeon or I7? They overclock even better than an I7 920. With my I7 980X at 4.25 Ghz oc i run BF4 64 player online maxed out and still getting around 68 to 90 FPS and other cpu intensive games also feels more snappy/runs better. Dont know if its the ekstra cores, maybe more L3 cashe and or higher overclock, but the fact is 6 core on X58 is very nice to have :D

I really like that Threadripper name so I'm glad it's the brand and not a codename. Really visualizes the CPU ripping through anything that's thrown at it.

AMD have been doing some things right lately. :)

I think it's cool AMD is building sewing machines.

TomgangYeah X58 is still a great platform and i am amazed by how well it still plays even the latest games af high or even ultra settings still.

But i cut not let this slide: Intel i7 920 @ Stock speeds baby. Are you really running this puppy stock, it screams at you and begs to be overclock and i can darn recommend it aswell. You can really feel a difference from stock to like 4 GHz in daily use aswell as in games. Before i got me an I7 980X i also had an I7 920 so i know what i am talking about and its not like i dies from oc if done propperly. mine ran 4 years at 4 GHz before i sold it and still going strong.

If you have and upgrade need then why not try an find a 6 core X58 cpu Xeon or I7? They overclock even better than an I7 920. With my I7 980X at 4.25 Ghz oc i run BF4 64 player online maxed out and still getting around 68 to 90 FPS and other cpu intensive games also feels more snappy/runs better. Dont know if its the ekstra cores, maybe more L3 cashe and or higher overclock, but the fact is 6 core on X58 is very nice to have :D

@Fluffmeister
Let me jump in and say when I upgraded from the i7 920 to the i7 970, it was a night and day difference.
Not only did the 970 have more cores, but it was also on a smaller process yielding lower temperatures and higher overclock. I would've still been on that system had I not sold it for profit.

TheGuruStudI'm in the market for it at the right price. 8 core? Shheeiiiiittt, I can really game and reencode some stuff simultaneously with 16. Background crap eats cycles alive, too.

Right so that is not the typical "gamer" thing. That is a high end user. Oddly enough there is a platform for the HEDT.

Heh, we bitch about AMD product names, but hell, we use Intel's architecture names as it makes more sense than the never ending iX- names.

Will be a good day when I ask my boss for a threadripper workstation :D.

CammWill be a good day when I ask my boss for a threadripper workstation :D.

Lol depending on how good they are and when they get delayed to by wAitMD, they will be what I outfit the render rigs with I'm building. It's fun to play boss sometimes :roll:

JATownesAMD is getting lot of flak lately for these brand names...They do sound like they were named by a 14 year old, but that is probably a good thing because most of the general public will bite on a name like that. The sad fact of the matter is that non-enthusiast consumers are pretty much just like a bunch of 14 year olds when it comes to buying tech gear.

Idk about that. Its such a lame name it sounds like a budget pornstar/stripper name. Or like a lame sex pun idk why. Im just not feeling it at all. Please Keep it professional AMD! Especially in the high end pro segments.

*p.s.
I apologize in advance if I offended anyone*

Talking of silly names, isn't Skylake just a stupid way of describing a rain cloud?

Cannot get the negativity around about the HEDT CPU series AMD is about to launch... :confused:

They are to get into Intel's territory on power users, small servers and enterprise and we are talking about name preference insted of how good will it be for us customers? :shadedshu:

I thought we sould all be happy now that Zen arch is proved to be great and with RAM speed issues almost vanished from BIOS updayes. We are offered 8C/16T for half the price guys! Are you PC enthusiasts or not? And as with power consumption for the Threadripper CPUs, I am optimistic. Ryzen CPUs are great in that aspect after all.

So, calm down and wait for the CPUs to be reviewed. Then, we can talk again about them being good or bad products.

I like it, not the name, but what the cpu offers(for now).

Just make an APU like this, and put it in a console, the all 4 core computers will be obsolete, since 90% of games are made for console and then ported on the pc. which would be a very good thing all over.

geon2k2Threadripper, RipJaws ... why on earth do they need to rip something or be brutal in any way.

How bout legspreader ?

I like the branding, sure it's a little bit exotic and outside of the engineering lingo we have become accustomed too, but AMD is looking to get the product out there. Certainly with names like this it is an effective way to catch the eyes of consumers.

r9How bout legspreader ?

I would buy a chip named legspreader just to have it.

r9How bout legspreader ?

Haha so i wasnt the only one to think in that direction