Tuesday, June 6th 2017

NVIDIA, AMD to Launch Mining-Oriented Versions of Their GPUs

You must've heard the news of increasingly tighter supply on AMD's video cards. This is kind of a "hello darkness my old friend" kind of moment, since we've seen this happening before. However, these days, the problem looks to be exacerbated with the increase in digital currencies - it's not just Bitcoin now. Ethereum and Zcash have come in to fill customer's desire for a lower entry, ASIC-resistant mineable cryptocurrency. And with the currencies' exploding pricing, people are once again looking to enter the mining craze - to ride the crypto wave, so to speak. All higher-performance graphics cards since the R200 series are flying off the shelves and second hand markets, and as we speak, virtually all RX 580 models are out of stock on Newegg. And while AMD graphics cards have historically been leagues better than their NVIDIA counterparts in mining environments, recently some specialized miners have surfaced, tailored for the Pascal architecture (more oriented to Zcash, though.)
As a result, demand for AMD graphics cards is straining and suffocating supply, and it could be that NVIDIA will go the same route, should recent optimizations continue. It would seem that both companies understand the strain this puts on general customer who really just want to play a game with their graphics cards, but are finding pricing and availability an insurmountable challenge. Both companies are thus reportedly working on specialized editions of their graphics cards specially geared for cryptocurrency mining. These would apparently eschew any gaming capability, and likely display output connectors as well, which are unneeded for mining farms. NVIDIA is said to be prepping a special edition GeForce GTX 1060 with their GP106-100 GPU, and AMD is rumored to be working on some adaptation of their Polaris graphics cards as well. Sources point towards only 90 days warranty on these NVIDIA GTX 1060 cards, which will also be cheaper than gaming models, and be distributed by add-in board partners.
Sources: Videocardz, Newegg, Coinbase Market History
Add your own comment

57 Comments on NVIDIA, AMD to Launch Mining-Oriented Versions of Their GPUs

#26
Steevo
I wondered why BestBuy was sold out of all their AMD cards....

This will only be good for AMD, their cards will sell, some will die from people being stupid and they will buy more, the ones that make it past the mining rig will probably be put to use in gaming or other rigs and marketshare will increase, and once people get the idea that AMD is better they will buy more AMD.

As far as the cost to us gamers.... look at all the thread crapping on AMD for the past few years, despite having decent hardware other than their bullshi* CPU architecture before Ryzen. Speaking of which, I wonder how cheap Ryzen CPU's would handle PCIe port expanders to run many GPU's?
Posted on Reply
#27
Readlight
Just now started eth mining whit one rx 460 lets see do i get something back from mining. 11 MH/s
Posted on Reply
#28
dalekdukesboy
Is there some kind of Simon and Garfunkel resurgence in popular culture I've missed? Love them but I only ask because seems everywhere I look here and on twitter for 2 recent examples I'm seeing quotes from the song "Sound of Silence"...I know there was a cover recently by disturbed but didn't think it was that popular to seemingly get quoted widely online....anyway my nod to the quote in story here and general comment on it.
Posted on Reply
#29
Raevenlord
News Editor
dalekdukesboyIs there some kind of Simon and Garfunkel resurgence in popular culture I've missed? Love them but I only ask because seems everywhere I look here and on twitter for 2 recent examples I'm seeing quotes from the song "Sound of Silence"...I know there was a cover recently by disturbed but didn't think it was that popular to seemingly get quoted widely online....anyway my nod to the quote in story here and general comment on it.
Not quite. Simon & Garfunkel isn't in the mainstream these days, I'm afraid. But I did remember the cover from Disturbed (which I love, btw) and thought it appropriate.

Coincidence? I think yes!
Posted on Reply
#30
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
SteevoI wondered why BestBuy was sold out of all their AMD cards....

This will only be good for AMD, their cards will sell, some will die from people being stupid and they will buy more, the ones that make it past the mining rig will probably be put to use in gaming or other rigs and marketshare will increase, and once people get the idea that AMD is better they will buy more AMD.

As far as the cost to us gamers.... look at all the thread crapping on AMD for the past few years, despite having decent hardware other than their bullshi* CPU architecture before Ryzen. Speaking of which, I wonder how cheap Ryzen CPU's would handle PCIe port expanders to run many GPU's?
People happily mine with 8 cards and a celeron/pentium the cpu doesn't matter.
Posted on Reply
#31
Steevo
cdawallPeople happily mine with 8 cards and a celeron/pentium the cpu doesn't matter.
Interesting, so it doesn't have CPU load like F@H has? How many PCIe lanes are used by each card to let them run efficiently, just 1? I thought about trying mining but don't want to subject my system that when it already holds so much, but I have thought about all the left over towers we have had at work with older e8200's and stuff and just throw a couple cards in each and let them run in the crawl space as its always cool down there.
Posted on Reply
#32
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
SteevoInteresting, so it doesn't have CPU load like F@H has? How many PCIe lanes are used by each card to let them run efficiently, just 1? I thought about trying mining but don't want to subject my system that when it already holds so much, but I have thought about all the left over towers we have had at work with older e8200's and stuff and just throw a couple cards in each and let them run in the crawl space as its always cool down there.
These adapters are what power a lot of the big mining rigs

www.amazon.com/dp/B00HZ0M9F2/?tag=tec06d-20
Posted on Reply
#33
intelzen
wow - not even a few weeks since prices have spiked - making mining profitable for few weeks to come - till mining difficulty increase (because every other idiot is suddenly mining - duh) or prices crash down (spike up and spike down - duh again).... this will be over faster than these companies (nvida/amd) could order a sticker "mining special edition"
Posted on Reply
#34
ArdWar
I'll give them benefit of the doubt about relieving supply scarcity there. Maybe they use silicons that otherwise discarded or configured out for much lower segment. Like one with too much defect or certain pattern of defect on the compute unit (can't be a Tesla) AND too much defect on the output section (can't be a GeForce), maybe....


Or maybe just plain old artificial segmentation.
Posted on Reply
#35
notb
ASOTRomania is out of stock everywhere no RX 470/480-570/580
Pretty expected. Think about the PPP difference between Romania and US. :-)

Based on nicehash calculator, an RX580 can make 90 euro a month, which is what... 1/8th of average salary in Romania? So investing in few RX580 will significantly increase one's income.
For a US-citizen, this is just 1/36 of income. For them an RX580 would just be a nice addition, but nothing changing his situation significantly...

10-15 years ago I was hugely tempted by stock photography for similar reason: your location doesn't impact the earning (not by much, anyway). Stocks didn't look that great for people from US or UK, but for me it could have been hugely profitable (at least potentially, since I simply didn't have time to get more involved).
Mining has the similar advantages with no issues (since photography is very time-consuming and... you have to learn it in the first place :)).
Posted on Reply
#36
dozenfury
I started amd/nv mining about a year and a half ago and it turned out to be a great decision. Have done very well in that time and paid for my investment many times over. This is not bitcoin mining btw (which is all but dead except for specialized cpu hw), it's gpu mining which clearly is very much alive.

The catch is that as you can see the pricing of bit currency is incredibly volatile. There's no guarantee it won't drop as fast as it rose. So it's a gamble for sure. Estimates were it would be dried up in 6 months, 18 months ago. Just something to think about before dropping $500 on a 480X thinking you'll get rich. It might work out, or it might already be too late. I do think there's an extreme amount of manipulation in the pricing, leading to the volatility.
Posted on Reply
#37
Steevo
ArdWarI'll give them benefit of the doubt about relieving supply scarcity there. Maybe they use silicons that otherwise discarded or configured out for much lower segment. Like one with too much defect or certain pattern of defect on the compute unit (can't be a Tesla) AND too much defect on the output section (can't be a GeForce), maybe....


Or maybe just plain old artificial segmentation.
I'm not certain AMD has learned anything from the last mining craze, they should be farming out their spare space they PAID to not use from GloFlo for custom chips like mining ASIC, and hell, even knock off chips, its not like paying for unused fab and wafers was cheap, take a little bite out of the chinesium market and at least recoup their investment. But alas they never seem to learn or look beyond the new fidget spinner and count their luck as good business.
Posted on Reply
#38
dinmaster
someone probably has already mentioned it but reselling these cards when a miner is done with it wont help the miners.... after im done mining with my cards i can sell them for a bit of a return. I understand that no backface or 1 hdmi instead of all the others and take out all the gaming stuff would make the cards cheaper and intern make it a better ROI but the resell down the road would be better then buying cheaper, up front tho you would mine more and make more money in that time... either way honestly.. (i think manufacturer time would be faster) my cents...
Posted on Reply
#39
notb
dinmastersomeone probably has already mentioned it but reselling these cards when a miner is done with it wont help the miners.... after im done mining with my cards i can sell them for a bit of a return. I understand that no backface or 1 hdmi instead of all the others and take out all the gaming stuff would make the cards cheaper and intern make it a better ROI but the resell down the road would be better then buying cheaper, up front tho you would mine more and make more money in that time... either way honestly.. (i think manufacturer time would be faster) my cents...
Most importantly, these cards ought to be built for heavy load 24/7. They should survive a bit longer than gaming variants and this "a bit" could easily cover the lower resale price.
Also even if they mine just 10% faster than gaming models (for the same price), it'll make an enormous difference in the long run.
Posted on Reply
#40
Prima.Vera
iOWith these high exchange rates even CPU mining became profitable again so only thing helping would be the long overdue market crash...
Neh, this won't last long. The inflation will take over pretty soon. This crypto currency crap is just another bubble waiting to blow...
Posted on Reply
#41
dalekdukesboy
RaevenlordNot quite. Simon & Garfunkel isn't in the mainstream these days, I'm afraid. But I did remember the cover from Disturbed (which I love, btw) and thought it appropriate.

Coincidence? I think yes!
Yeah, Paul Simon is a legend yet very underappreciated by many young dumb musically uninformed folks I guess is best way to put it...Just odd I saw your quote here and as I said on Twitter some guy has " the words of the prophets are written on the subway wall"...with some other stuff mixed in which so happens to be another quote from that same song...so 2 references to same 54 year old song did seem bit odd to me for as you said and I agree with they are far out of the "mainstream" of young folks/pop culture nowadays. Probably slight coincidence but I somewhat disagree with you I think the resurgence of quotes is at least partially due to the cover version which was moderately successful resurrecting it at least slightly lol. Whatever it is, I am just rather glad to see recognition where I think it is long overdue.
Posted on Reply
#42
medi01
RaevenlordBoth companies are thus reportedly working on specialized editions of their graphics cards specially geared for cryptocurrency mining.
Oh, dear God of Clickbait...
Posted on Reply
#43
RejZoR
It's funny how everyone is prasing NVIDIA for its supreme efficiency, but then you look at cryptomining and everyone is running Radeons. Always. When it actually comes to a point where power efficiency is EVERYTHING that matters, people go after a card that's most tossed around as "inefficient" and "power hungry" (RX580). [mind blown into tiny gory bits]
Posted on Reply
#44
64K
RejZoRIt's funny how everyone is prasing NVIDIA for its supreme efficiency, but then you look at cryptomining and everyone is running Radeons. Always. When it actually comes to a point where power efficiency is EVERYTHING that matters, people go after a card that's most tossed around as "inefficient" and "power hungry" (RX580). [mind blown into tiny gory bits]
Both are true but it depends on the application. AMD is more efficient for mining and Nvidia is more efficient for gaming. Neither AMD nor Nvidia does both the best.
Posted on Reply
#45
EarthDog
RejZoRIt's funny how everyone is prasing NVIDIA for its supreme efficiency, but then you look at cryptomining and everyone is running Radeons. Always. When it actually comes to a point where power efficiency is EVERYTHING that matters, people go after a card that's most tossed around as "inefficient" and "power hungry" (RX580). [mind blown into tiny gory bits]
its the amount of gpgpu work per watt...has little to do with gaming. Different uses and efficiencies... simple.
Posted on Reply
#46
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
RejZoRIt's funny how everyone is prasing NVIDIA for its supreme efficiency, but then you look at cryptomining and everyone is running Radeons. Always. When it actually comes to a point where power efficiency is EVERYTHING that matters, people go after a card that's most tossed around as "inefficient" and "power hungry" (RX580). [mind blown into tiny gory bits]
Actually a lot of people are moving to nvidia because they are more efficient and there are a couple zcash based miners that use Cuda cores correctly.
Posted on Reply
#47
medi01
cdawallActually a lot of people are moving to nvidia because they are more efficient...
Yeah, sure thing, it's that people have just discovered that nvidia GPUs consume a bit less power, it is not that Radeon's are sold out pretty much everywhere and you can sell 470 for $350+ on ebay.
Posted on Reply
#48
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
medi01Yeah, sure thing, it's that people have just discovered that nvidia GPUs consume a bit less power, it is not that Radeon's are sold out pretty much everywhere and you can sell 470 for $350+ on ebay.
The cuda miner has been out since prior to the run out of Polaris chips. They didn't become as popular until prices shot up on amd since ROI was poor. As it sits the 1060 3gb has the best ROI and some of the best power consumption.
Posted on Reply
#49
Vayra86
Now AMD is going to sit on VEGA for another year

They'll never top these sales numbers anyway
Posted on Reply
#50
EarthDog
cdawallThe cuda miner has been out since prior to the run out of Polaris chips. They didn't become as popular until prices shot up on amd since ROI was poor. As it sits the 1060 3gb has the best ROI and some of the best power consumption.
You're a Cuda Miner.

That is all.

:D
Posted on Reply
Add your own comment
Nov 23rd, 2024 16:47 EST change timezone

New Forum Posts

Popular Reviews

Controversial News Posts